Dr Manhattan (Watchmen) vs Jean Grey (Dark Phoenix)

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Morals Off

Who wins?

Doc stomps

Manhunter really doesn't have anything bar killing fodder to suggest he wins.

Jean stomps

Jean stomps.

How she wins.

Jean. All Jon did was kill humans and look lifeless.

They probably just wank each other to death per CV rules...

Jean pwns

Jean stomps.

Jean

Jean wooped IG Thanos, gg

Dr Manhattan can reform and is immortal

Manhattan wins or stalemate

Jon gets TP'd.

What about New 52 and Doomsday Clock? Manhattan affected an entire multiverse.

@oraculi: Looks like Becky Lynch beating Brock Lesnar in a match as fake as that of her buddy Seth Rollins at this year's SummerSlam.

Manhattan isn't losing to Jean

Battle between most overrated live action characters in comicvine. Fox Silver Surfer is needed here and it would be cool couple

Dr Manhattan stomps.

Jean.

@eri123:

So to start of let me draw your attentiom to the comedian. The comedian was a hero turned eco-terrorist in the world of the watchmen and he’s also the owner of the smiley faced button. In batman (volume 3 rebirth) issue 21 Batman discovers the smiley faced button and for unknown reasons a strange power is resonating from it. The blood is from when Ozymandias killed the comedian who is from the watchman verse. That is why the batcompiter cant find a genetic match since the person doesn’t exist that universe

Upon realising that the button may be from another earth the reverse flash shows up and quickly bashes batman, he then takes the button and is transported to another location. When he returns to the batcave he says he saw God and dies.

The issue ends with the flash arriving and finding a dead Eobard Thawne and an unconscious Batman. At this moment in the story it was pure speculation on who did this to Thawne.

In Flash (volume 5 rebirth) issue 21 the flash arrives on the scene and is curious on as to what occured. Being a detective Barry asks Batman what occured and he tells him that Thawne beat him up and took the button which transported him somewhere. Barry knew that the button had appeared the day that Wally was freed from the speed force. Barry then decided to use the cosmic treadmill to follow the radiation signature through time and spcae to the location of where thawne was sent to. Batman who hadnt fully healed followed him.

The issue then ends with batman meeting he’s father. For those of you who dont know DC has the branch timeline theory. Any major alteration to history creates an entirely new universe than the original universe

Now on the second scan above the flash says Wally said they had lost years and that is because an unknown entity had erased 10 years of the main DC timeline creating rebirth but no one knew who it was until now who its revealed later it dr manhattan since we find out Dr. Manhattan locked Wally in the speed force meaning he wasnt effected by time changing so he witnessed the 10 years being deleted.

Doomsday clock issue 11 wally being locked the speedforce

DC universe: Rebirth only issue the hand of an unknown entity (Dr. Manhattan) caused the erasure of 10 years of the main dc timeline as well as the appearance of the button from he’s own world when Wally re-entered the main timeline from the speedforce upon he’s visit with batman.

To be honest I should have explained that wally visited batman after breaking out of the speedforce first which lead to the reverse flash coming but Oh well. Anyways back to Batman (volume 3) where batman meets he’s father. Ultimately the rest of the comic is just them talking whilst Flash recreates the cosmic treadmill whilst batman tries to convince he’s stuborn father to come to the main universe. Unfortunately as they finish the universe is being destroyed.

As it is visibly clear the universe was being destroyed by an unknown entity (Dr. Manhattan) flash and batman managed to escape the destruction using the cosmic treadmill to flee to another universe. Batman’s father chose to stay and die but he reappears in another batman story for whatever reason and thats the end of the issue.

Now i’m going to keep this issue rather short in the flash (volume 5) issue 22, the flash and batman meet Eonard Thawne before he dies simce they rebuilt the cosmic treadmill to follow him through time before he died. As they finally meet him he meets the same fate and dies. Batman and flash are also in peril as the cosmic treadmill are destroyed meaning they could fall into different time periods.

Batman and Flash are eventually saved by Jay Garrick the flash but batman and flash have no recollection of him since time had been erased meaning that spedsters like Jay amd Wally would pose a threat and may revert time to what it was since being in the speedforce shielded them from such events effecting their memory.

Unfortunetly before Jay can explain what had occured he was whisked off back to the speedforce leaving a very confised Batman and Flash.

The issue isnt finished yet the issue then reveals at the very end Dr. Manhattan picking up the button proving he was the one who created rebirth by erasing 10 years of time from the main universe, destroyed the flash point universe since DC has the branch timeline theory and imprisoned speedsters. I could also talk about how he let superman’s dad survive the explosion on krypton and how he destroyed the league of superheroes by making sure Alan Scott never became green lantern meaning the legion of superheroes isn’t formed. But for now I’ll leave you with the last scans from Flash (volume 5) issue 22.

The last scans of Batman/Flash: The button saga. Hope you enjoyed the explanation it took a while but I did it. The fact Dr. Manhattan can destroy a universe effortlessly without having to be in that said universe already tells me he is bare minimum multiversal.

I also hope this changes peoples stance on Dr. Manhattan he is one of the more underestimated character.

Manhattan for the win

Manhattan blinks.

@eri123: Now that I’ve explained the level of power he functions on allow me explain why Jean dies

@eri123: Now eri Dr. Manhattan’s skill set makes him borderline undefeatable. Pay attention to this image

Dr. Manhattan enters a universe he sees all of time, all of it, when he entered the DC universe he started doing experiments in this case he moved the green lantern power battery away from Alan scott so the justice society of america was never formed so the it never evolved to become the legion of super heroes hence it was never formed so the legion flight ring disappear in his hand. To kill Jean Grey it would be as simple as stopping the sperm that made her from reaching an egg or stopping the gene mutation that turned her into a mutant from forming using atomic manipulation.

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In this scene from Before Doomsday cloock - Dr. Manhattan issue 4, Dr. Manhattan is talking about how he created and destroyed universes with life and whether what he did was ethical and morally correct. In this scenario he is talking about how flashpoint ended in nuclear warfare with mushroom clouds, particularly when captain atom blew up so Dr. Manhattan erased that universe. Ozymandias is the smartest man in the DC multiverse but thats a story for another time. The fact is he destoyed a universe that he created and he said any guesture he makes is capable of doing so by accident.

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Overall this is a massive mismatch Dr. Manhattan as shown above even if you could miraculously destroy he’s body he would just reform. He’s abilities work through space and time meaning he can snap Jean Grey neck from another universe or heck from another universe whilst snapping kid Jean grey. Or heck just outright destroy that universe. Jean loses automatically since Dr. M is unkillable, loses again since everything she thinks of will have already been seen by Dr. Manhattan who sees all of time. Dr. Manhattan just needs to think her out of existence like making her mom not meet her dad, and just like the legion ring that disappeared in Dr. Manhattans hand, Jean Grey disappears of the face of the earth.

However made this thread is a monster, you don’t pit planet levels against multiversals

This is a mismatch of epic proportion

Dr. Manhattan wins

@mbatz: This is movie Manhattan.

Movie Manhattan still stomps. CW has this odd idea of Manhattans ability to manipulate particles is somehoe restricted to humans. If the dude can manipulate concrete, he'd be able to manipulate it whether or not it's a slab in a garden or the largest building in the world. Jean needs feats to show an ability to shield herself from Jons powers or she'll become jelly or become another Mars - ornament. No reason to think otherwise.

Manatthan both versions wins

Jean wins by feat. Although dr Manhattan is meant to be stronger.

Really can't see any argument for Jean, Manhattan TP's or implodes her.

Jean stomps.

@lsoon23: @rampagethefirst: By feat dr manhattan win.

@cergic: Jean doesn't need to shield from his powers. She destroyed her own on at least the molecular level and was still alive as an energy being. He has to show he can shield from telepathy. She can handle what his power can dish out.

@universeichigo1: @rampagethefirst: @lordofallhumans: @eri123: I apologise didn’t know this was movie Manhattan doesn’t change the fact that he’s unkillable, he sees all of time and he can one shot anyone from anywhere and he can change he’s size and appearance. Jean Grey still gets oneshotted since any plan she has will already have been seen by Dr. Manhattan. I mean dr. Manhattan can teleport objects at he’s will he simply sends Jean to the sun from he’s Mars base simple.

This is still a spite in favour of Manhattan

Edit: This is just one of many ways Jean dies, you people have yet to prove Dr. Manhattan can die. which is impossible

@mbatz: she's also unkillable and has higher feats, is bonded to a casual planet buster that sparked life in the universe, and has a power he doesn't have nor has protection from. The energy signature given off by the Force was thought to be a solar flare so I don't see teleportation into the Sun being an issue, she's an energy being. Just being in the vicinity while she's flaring up causes the molecular deconstruction of matter which she can casually reverse with a thought. He's not beating her and she's far more powerful, by feats and statements.

Nice NLF dude. Manhattan gets dropped by TP or gets his cells disintegrated a thousand times by just being close to Jean.

@azazelthunder07: No he does not win, by feats, Jean stomps.

@lordofallhumans:

What do you mean though? What is het energy form made our of? Jon can manipulate tachyons. Dude can pretty much alter anything regardless of size. What would make Jeans form unable to be manipulated?

@cergic: I said she doesn't need to shield because his powers can't kill her and she is far more powerful in that category than him anyway which means anything he tries can either be undone or outright resisted. That's if she doesn't make him think he's doing nothing but standing there daydreaming about killing her with telepathy he has no answer to.

@mbatz: He gets beaten by TP or he gets disintegrated since Jean was killing people that can heal.Jean also become the Phoenix in the end of the movie.I don't see Manhattan killing her.

@eri123: exactly and she was killing people that regenerate without the Force.

TP wouldn’t work Dr. Manhattan can see the future. That means he‘d see what would happen upon direct confrontation and kill her from far away.

Disintergration wouldn’t work either since when he was disintegrated by Ozymandias he simply reformed, and he can reform anywhere on earth and clone himself.

Even if Dr. Manhattan decided to not see the future and did get TP which shouldn’t work since he’s consciousness isnt limited to one body, it would be an eternal struggle until Jean is tired.

The fight lost the moment it was Jean she can’t put Manhattan down, Manhattan just has to wave a hand and she’s disintergrated, he’s gone back in time and killed her, teleported her to the sun which Manhattan has walked on or straight up turn all oxygen on earth into carbon dioxide. And he can try out each method and go back in time to kill her again.

Manhattan still stomps it’s spite

@eri123: @lordofallhumans:

TP wouldn’t work Dr. Manhattan can see the future. That means he‘d see what would happen upon direct confrontation and kill her from far away.

Disintergration wouldn’t work either since when he was disintegrated by Ozymandias he simply reformed, and he can reform anywhere on earth and clone himself.

Even if Dr. Manhattan decided to not see the future and did get TP which shouldn’t work since he’s consciousness isnt limited to one body, it would be an eternal struggle until Jean is tired.

The fight lost the moment it was Jean she can’t put Manhattan down, Manhattan just has to wave a hand and she’s disintergrated, he’s gone back in time and killed her, teleported her to the sun which Manhattan has walked on or straight up turn all oxygen on earth into carbon dioxide. And he can try out each method and go back in time to kill her again.

Manhattan still stomps it’s spite

@mbatz: bullshit. If he sees the future and knows about her telepathy it's because his vision showed it working on him. So you just proved even he knows he's not winning.

Your completely wrong. If he sees the future an he’s been mind raped then he can change the future by changing he’s course of action by killing her from mars whether it’s by sending her to the sun, disintergration or time travel. And that’s if it works in comics he has a complete immunity to being mind controlled but it is possible to mind read. Not to mention he can make clones he can send one clone and see what becomes of it then straight up transmutate all oxygen on earth into carbon dioxide.

@lordofallhumans:Heck TP isn’t even a long term solution since Dr. Manhattan is immortal, he will eventually overcome her due to the fact her TP works for a specific amount of time.

Edit: And like I said Dr. Manhattan is unkillable to jeans standards