Dr. Manhattan vs. Molecule Man

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Current Molecule Man is an absolute joke (Daken actually managed to fight back against his molecular manipulation), but he still could probably beat Manhattan.
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#3  Edited By Goenitz
@The Mjolnir Wielder said:
" Current Molecule Man is an absolute joke (Daken actually managed to fight back against his molecular manipulation), but he still could probably beat Manhattan. "
Agree
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#4  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator
@Goenitz said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:
" Current Molecule Man is an absolute joke (Daken actually managed to fight back against his molecular manipulation), but he still could probably beat Manhattan. "
Agree "
Agreed.
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#5  Edited By slimj87d

Don't people argue here that Dr. M > Sentry?
 
And recently Sentry > Molecule Man?

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#6  Edited By Decoy Elite
@JediXMan said:
" @Goenitz said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:
" Current Molecule Man is an absolute joke (Daken actually managed to fight back against his molecular manipulation), but he still could probably beat Manhattan. "
Agree "
Agreed. "
Yeah, this.
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#7  Edited By CosmicSpiral
@SlimJ87D said:
" Don't people argue here that Dr. M > Sentry?  And recently Sentry > Molecule Man? "
Well, it was the Void side that displayed molecular manipulation. 
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#8  Edited By slimj87d
@CosmicSpiral said:
" @SlimJ87D said:
" Don't people argue here that Dr. M > Sentry?  And recently Sentry > Molecule Man? "
Well, it was the Void side that displayed molecular manipulation.  "
So Void and Sentry working together > Dr. M? If people think MM > Dr. M
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#9  Edited By gobstakid777

Owen should be able to take this one

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#10  Edited By Surge2477

owen reece
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#11  Edited By Hellos
@SlimJ87D said:
"Don't people argue here that Dr. M > Sentry?  And recently Sentry > Molecule Man? "

I argued he couldn't even harm the Sentry long before he was ripping Molecule Man to pieces, atleast I think I did. :P 
Manhattan doesn't have the feats to say he could kill anything as durable as the Sentry, since then Void / Sentry > easily Manhattan. 
 
Now for this, MM seems to have superior output than Manhattan, he was doing all sorts of interesting things to the Dark Avengers, not sure he lacks a method of completely getting rid of Manhattan, so either Stalemate or MM wins.
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#12  Edited By Static Shock

Molecule Man.

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#13  Edited By capall

has owen been seriously down graded by marvel or is it just ppl making funny threads?

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#14  Edited By pooty
@capall: Owen had one bad showing and now people think he's a punk.
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#15  Edited By Static Shock
@pooty said:
" @capall: Owen had one bad showing and now people think he's a punk. "
Agreed.
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#16  Edited By gobstakid777
@Static Shock said:
" @pooty said:
" @capall: Owen had one bad showing and now people think he's a punk. "
Agreed. "
double agreed
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#17  Edited By slimj87d

What about Dr. Manhattans genius IQ? He is a pretty smart dude. I would say he is almost as smart as Mr. Fantastic, but can do some much quicker because he can will any invention he wants. 
 
Can Dr. M analyze MM and figure out a way to stop him?

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#18  Edited By lordraiden
@Static Shock said:
" @pooty said:
" @capall: Owen had one bad showing and now people think he's a punk. "
Agreed. "

What was the bad showing?
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#19  Edited By Hellos
@lordraiden said:

"What was the bad showing? "


Think they are referring to Sentry / Void taking him down, which I always took as just a really good showing for the Sentry, not a bad one for Owen.
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#20  Edited By lordraiden
@Hellos said:
"@lordraiden said:
"What was the bad showing? "
Think they are referring to Sentry / Void taking him down, which I always took as just a really good showing for the Sentry. "

Exactly.  I wouldn't call that a bad showing, considering how powerfull Sentry/Void is atm.  And MM isn't gone, he'll be back. 
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#21  Edited By Goenitz

 
 

Wins here
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#22  Edited By Casket

A normal Molecule Man should stomp, he wrecked planets, 
can mess with reality, beat the friggin Silver Surfer (who is above Dr M)
Molecule Man had all the elder cosmic entities bowing before him
and he went one on one with the Beyonder who was basically the total supreme unbeatable, all knowing God of Marvel universe
 
Then Bendis came along shook things up and had Molecule Man tripping over his own shoelaces

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#23  Edited By Push

MM was retconned loooooong before Bendis came along.  Bendis didn't do anything to change the character other than how's been portrayed for some time.
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#24  Edited By Casket

Yeah but post SecretWars Molecule Man was at least skyfather and could still beat Surfer.
He did silly things and had confidence issues but when push came to shove post Secret Wars still had some respectable level of power
 
 That power was there until Bendis depowered him even more into a guy who just does a party trick or two with molecules. The new Molecule Man has problems beating Daken and suffers a humiliating loss to Sentry 
 
Molecule Man is wrote with the worst level of continuity, either that 
or writers like Bendis just never understood the characters he wrote

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#25  Edited By gobstakid777
@Casket said:

" Yeah but post SecretWars Molecule Man was at least skyfather and could still beat Surfer. He did silly things and had confidence issues but when push came to shove post Secret Wars still had some respectable level of power   That power was there until Bendis depowered him even more into a guy who just does a party trick or two with molecules. The new Molecule Man has problems beating Daken and suffers a humiliating loss to Sentry   Molecule Man is wrote with the worst level of continuity, either that  or writers like Bendis just never understood the characters he wrote "

I absolutely agree with this. I always considered Post Retcon MM at least skyfather level, and like you said, he had a respectable level of power until Bendis fucked him hard. We should come up with a new category for MM when using him in battles= Pre Bendis
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#26  Edited By FLCL1

i dont think current MM can beat any one right about now -_-
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#27  Edited By capall
@lordraiden said:
" @Hellos said:
"@lordraiden said:
"What was the bad showing? "
Think they are referring to Sentry / Void taking him down, which I always took as just a really good showing for the Sentry. "
Exactly.  I wouldn't call that a bad showing, considering how powerfull Sentry/Void is atm.  And MM isn't gone, he'll be back.  "
i would consider that bad writing since owen was at one point probably top 5 most powerful being and gets handled by sentry/void
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#28  Edited By Bart Simpson
@lordraiden said:
" @Hellos said:
"@lordraiden said:
"What was the bad showing? "
Think they are referring to Sentry / Void taking him down, which I always took as just a really good showing for the Sentry. "
Exactly.  I wouldn't call that a bad showing, considering how powerfull Sentry/Void is atm.  And MM isn't gone, he'll be back.  "
Agreed. Plus Owen killed Sentry 3 times in that fight before the Void finally finished off Owen. Not to mention in the New Avengers stories the combined might of SHIELD, the Fantastic Four,  the X-men, the New Avengers and Dr. Strange couldn't take down the Void, so why is Owen suddenly a loser because he got taken down by it too?
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#29  Edited By xan84

MM stomps ... M best feat is what blowing up a tank ? :P
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#30  Edited By gobstakid777

Any version of Owen, including the one that just lost to Sentry, would absolutely pawn

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#31  Edited By Waffle Fries

MM

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#32  Edited By Ragnarokabyss

MM should win here his power is on multiversal scale and Dr.M just on planetary scale ( maybe)

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#33  Edited By Postacrat

WTF is going on here?  Dr Manhattan easily stop playing ok?  He had a bad showing lol let's make this about power and not fans.  Matter fact I stand behind his showing and his powers may be limitless.  He can create I don't know how many duplicates of himself just as powerful.  People argue about his set opponents abilities to control molecules and matter like molecule man or Galactus.  What makes any of you think he's not as good at controlling his molecular powers as they are?  Is he not also an energy being forged by his own will?  How do you know he can't just make 10 duplicates the size of Galactus or bigger?  How do you know Galactus can absorb him or MM can do this guy in so easily?

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#34  Edited By ssejllenrad

IMO  
 
PR MM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dr Manhattan >>> Current MM 
 
Just my 2 cents...

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#35  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator
@Postacrat: 
 
Molecule actually has good feats. Manhattan's best feat is blowing up a tank; in the movie, his best feat wasn't him, it was Ozy's machine (nuking a few cities).
 
Molecule Man has better feats. Speculation on how powerful Manhattan could be is worthless without feats to back it up; sorry. 
 
Dr. Manhattan is a low-medium tier matter manipulator. Nothing more.
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#36  Edited By daak1212
@Casket said:
"A normal Molecule Man should stomp, he wrecked planets,  can mess with reality, beat the friggin Silver Surfer (who is above Dr M) Molecule Man had all the elder cosmic entities bowing before him and he went one on one with the Beyonder who was basically the total supreme unbeatable, all knowing God of Marvel universe  Then Bendis came along shook things up and had Molecule Man tripping over his own shoelaces "

Bendis is an asshole who nerfs people.  BEyonder, Molecule Man, amongst others
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#37  Edited By Achilles.

dr m

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#38  Edited By Wyldsong
@JediXMan said:
" @Postacrat:   Molecule actually has good feats. Manhattan's best feat is blowing up a tank; in the movie, his best feat wasn't him, it was Ozy's machine (nuking a few cities).  Molecule Man has better feats. Speculation on how powerful Manhattan could be is worthless without feats to back it up; sorry.   Dr. Manhattan is a low-medium tier matter manipulator. Nothing more. "
QFT
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#39  Edited By Matezoide2
@Wyldsong said:
" @JediXMan said:
" @Postacrat:   Molecule actually has good feats. Manhattan's best feat is blowing up a tank; in the movie, his best feat wasn't him, it was Ozy's machine (nuking a few cities).  Molecule Man has better feats. Speculation on how powerful Manhattan could be is worthless without feats to back it up; sorry.   Dr. Manhattan is a low-medium tier matter manipulator. Nothing more. "
QFT "
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#40  Edited By Thepowercosmic

MM

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#41  Edited By Postacrat
@JediXMan:  If that's the case the battles involving manhattan are a irrelevant since his feats don't surpass one book.  Why even battle him at all? Low tier matter manipulator is highly contrary to his skill and power set in All Data Bases including this ones and DC's, these are facts.  That feat with the tank was just that "a feat" not his only feet.  He can manipulate all matter and energy around him, in the watchmen's world when has he needed to do a MM feat?  My point is it's a dumb battle if you base it solely off feats with so little showings of manhattan, you would have to go off his data powerset and his tells me he can win. 
 
 Power over time and space,
Regeneration,
Energy and matter manipulation,
Flight,
Immortality,
Superhuman strength, speed and durability,
Intangibility,
Precognition,
Teleportation,
Self-duplication,
Superhuman growth  
--I'm done with this..
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#42  Edited By Erik
@Static Shock said:
" @pooty said:
" @capall: Owen had one bad showing and now people think he's a punk. "
Agreed. "
I agree as well. But I do not think either really have a way to hurt one another.
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#43  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator
@Postacrat: 
 
I've read Watchmen. I've seen the movie (which I didn't think was as bad as some people say).
 
I know all of his feats. 
 
So you're saying that we should be allowed to speculate, huh? Okay. I speculate that Molecule Man is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. 
 
There. Speculation isn't that fruitful, is it now?
 
PS: For the record, Molecule Man was pretty much omnipotent before his retcon.
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#44  Edited By Postacrat
@JediXMan: your confusing constructive speculation with opinionated..in truth none of it's fruitful
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#45  Edited By Static Shock
@Postacrat: Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. Manhattan) and has recreated a galaxy. All of Dr. Manhattan's abilities don't matter at this point.
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#46  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator
@Postacrat said:
" @JediXMan: your confusing constructive speculation with opinionated..in truth none of it's fruitful "
Actually, what I stated Molecule Man to be wasn't far from what he really was. He really was that powerful at one point.
 
So no, it's not opinionated. I certainly have more proof backing me.
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#47  Edited By Erik
@Static Shock said:
" @Postacrat: Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. Manhattan) and has recreated a galaxy. All of Dr. Manhattan's abilities don't matter at this point. "
Except perhaps that he cannot be killed.
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#48  Edited By Static Shock
@Postacrat said:
" @JediXMan: your confusing constructive speculation with opinionated..in truth none of it's fruitful "
You aren't doing any better than he is. You're assuming Dr. Manhattan has what it takes to defeat Molecule Man, when there isn't enough evidence to support that he can win.
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#49  Edited By JediXMan  Moderator
@erik said:
" @Static Shock said:
" @Postacrat: Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. Manhattan) and has recreated a galaxy. All of Dr. Manhattan's abilities don't matter at this point. "
Except perhaps that he cannot be killed. "
Nobody ever tried before. Ozy's machine, as Manhattan himself said, is the same thing that created him in the first place. Makes perfect sense that it wouldn't kill him.
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#50  Edited By Static Shock
@erik said:
" Except perhaps that he cannot be killed. "
He could always dimension dump him somewhere else. LOL.