dr manhattan versus the saint of killers

The Saint of Killers and Dr. Manhattanare easily the two most powerful entities in either of their respective universes, they in fact are two of the most powerful human beings conceived in comics.

The "Preacher"s' Saint of killers is high dogmatic being who derives his powers from the word and logic of God.  In the the "Preacher" Series the Saint of killers, upon having a heart cold enough to freez hell the Saint of killers got the attention of satan and the angel of death.  The two of them, afraid of the man who's heart was cold enough to freeze over hell, offered to make him the new angel of death or saint of killers.  Satan personally crafted two revolvers out of the sword of the angel of death and imbued them with the powers to never miss a target, never deal anything but a lethal blow, and never run out of bullets.  The saint of killers has used the weopens to kill entire villages, armies, tanks, satan and even god himself.  He is also immortal, and has survived bullets wounds, artilery and even nuclear bombs.

i swear this fight has been done

"@DC_Marvel_1000: i swear this fight has been doneI looked through the battles topics first and didn't see it"

"@DC_Marvel_1000: you would be right, sorry for thatits cool buddy, i still might be wrong, but do you have any opinions on the post"

" Saint of Killers wins here
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Dr. Manhattan makes his bullets disapear, makes him disapear, (or just sends parts of his body to different places of the universe, 

" Dr. Manhattan makes his bullets disapear, makes him disapear, (or just sends parts of his body to different places of the universe, 

He could go back in time and kill the saint before the battle, whatever, he can't lose here imo

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SOK stomps.

"SOK stomps."

"SOK stomps."

" @Morpheus_:The bullets are mystical...And tell me an instance where Dr M has turned back in time...He knows the future, because he lives at all times simultaneously...Far from what you claim he can do.

yeah this touches on something i was wondering, in "Watchmen" Dr. Manhattan says "iam in my apartment" "I am in Vietnam", it seems that he has the ability to travel
time but he does not have the ability ti do anything to alter the past.  So he seems to be following the laws of einstein that you could travel forward at a different rate,
but never go backward, but Einstein also thought all time was existing at one.  Dr. M is also almost entirely detached from his humanity, so even though he understands
the future he may not have the will to change it.  Either way it is not apparent from "Watchmen" that Dr. M is effective at alter events in time.  But what if he turned himself into something inanimate?  was if he was just a rock, something without life?
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The celestial Lobo aka The Saint of Killers wins here.

Dr. M 

" Dr. M  "

Dr. M does not alter the timeline because all of his life is his present. He exists at all these time frames concurrently, so when blake shoots the pregnant lady in vietnam it actually IS a surprise to him and not something he could do anything about, because that was his present.

Dr. M probably has less abiliity to alter the future than anyone else. At least if you or I try to alter a future outcome we can do so under the impression that we have some chance of success.

An example of seeing the future, and being able to alter it would be the movie "Next" where he sees his future and how to alter it, also, all possible futures that could arise from him taking action to alter it. Manhattan lives in a deterministic reality where his actions, and those of everyone around them are already "written" and can not be changed. Freedom of choice, in this instance, is an illusion.

I'm going to go with Saint of Killers here. His bullets, when fired, cannot miss and will always kill.

I doubt Dr M could turn his bullets away since 1) They cannot miss and 2) God himself could not.

SOK win in my opinion.

" SOK win in my opinion.

At the risk of going off topic. My question is who CAN beat the Saint of Killers? He's pretty much unbeatable. Maybe an Emma Frost(Mind Rape) Magneto(Stop or maybe slow the bullets down) and Scarlet Witch(alter reality so he never existed or change his attitude) tag team?

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@Morpheus, I just feel Dr. M would given his abilities.

DR. M btw in that scene ^ could technically done something but didn't, Comedian even said "you could have turned this into steam or wahtever" if you wanted but you didn't...Dr. M doesn't have that "Superman" mentality, as time goes on he gets more disconnected from human behavior and Earth's ways, he just doesn't seem to care eventually. But yeah, he can't alter the future or past he just knows what's coming.

@ this topic of  God apparently failing vs. SOK is so retarded lol, ahh only in Marvel.....real life yeah God would own everyone.

I still would have vaped Adrian for what he did instead of Rorshach....I get the reason but damn that kind of sucked at the same time.

"@Morpheus_ said:

All of them are dead in about three seconds. "

Really? The guns and bullets are metal so wouldn't Magneto be able to hold them down while Emma invades his mind and Scarlet Witch uses her reality powers at the same time to wipe him from existence. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

All of them are dead in about three seconds. "

Really? The guns and bullets are metal so wouldn't Magneto be able to hold them down while Emma invades his mind and Scarlet Witch uses her reality powers at the same time to wipe him from existence. "

The only person who could have beat the Saint would have been Rev Jesse Custer when he still had Genesis. Outside of that everyone else is wormfood.

The basic question is dogmatic law versus physics, and i guess dogma is one of the few ways of circumventing physics, but then again who is to say that doctor manhattan cant just turn himself into stone or something else that is dead that cannot be killed because inanimate matter is not alive.

"@Akwa said:

His bullets once fired, cannot miss. This means that nothing can hold them down. As for Scarlet Witch wiping him from existence, how would she be able to do that? God himself was unable to wipe out Saint of Killers. "

Ah, I see. Magneto's toast. But I still think Scarlet Witch has a chance by using her magic/reality manipulation to bring back his family or turn him into a nice guy. And Emma might too if she uses her mind control to order him to shoot himself (he's vulnerable there cause Preacher's voice stopped him and this is more of a literal mind take over than a "god command")  "

SOK

Just nothing the Doc can do here.

Only Cassidy the undead vampire survived the shot , due to him being undead or PIS writing

SOK wins this, by castration via bullet

"Only Cassidy the undead vampire survived the shot , due to him being undead or PIS writingSOK wins this, by castration via bullet"

saint takes it

"SOK win in my opinion.

At the risk of going off topic. My question is who CAN beat the Saint of Killers? He's pretty much unbeatable. Maybe an Emma Frost(Mind Rape) Magneto(Stop or maybe slow the bullets down) and Scarlet Witch(alter reality so he never existed or change his attitude) tag team?

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How can you kill some one who can not die? Dr M does not even need to have a body, and could not be stopped he could destroy the Earth with out even trying. So because neither can die, Dr M wins because after destroying the Earth he could just go some were else.

" @Nerx said:

"Only Cassidy the undead vampire survived the shot , due to him being undead or PIS writingSOK wins this, by castration via bullet"

It was PIS. "

Dr. M is the One-Above-All in his U.

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How can you kill some one who can not die? Dr M does not even need to have a body, and could not be stopped he could destroy the Earth with out even trying. So because neither can die, Dr M wins because after destroying the Earth he could just go some were else.

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@sevennames27 said:

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How can you kill some one who can not die? Dr M does not even need to have a body, and could not be stopped he could destroy the Earth with out even trying. So because neither can die, Dr M wins because after destroying the Earth he could just go some were else.

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Saint of Killers can kill things that can't die. He's killed God. "

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@sevennames27 said:

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How can you kill some one who can not die? Dr M does not even need to have a body, and could not be stopped he could destroy the Earth with out even trying. So because neither can die, Dr M wins because after destroying the Earth he could just go some were else.

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Saint of Killers can kill things that can't die. He's killed God. "

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@sevennames27 said:

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How can you kill some one who can not die? Dr M does not even need to have a body, and could not be stopped he could destroy the Earth with out even trying. So because neither can die, Dr M wins because after destroying the Earth he could just go some were else.

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Saint of Killers can kill things that can't die. He's killed God. "

apparently the god in vertigo can die since he's, well, dead."

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@sevennames27 said:

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How can you kill some one who can not die? Dr M does not even need to have a body, and could not be stopped he could destroy the Earth with out even trying. So because neither can die, Dr M wins because after destroying the Earth he could just go some were else.

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Saint of Killers can kill things that can't die. He's killed God. "

And that is just stupid extreme PIS. The product of some Meth addict writer. "

"@Akwa said:

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@sevennames27 said:

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How can you kill some one who can not die? Dr M does not even need to have a body, and could not be stopped he could destroy the Earth with out even trying. So because neither can die, Dr M wins because after destroying the Earth he could just go some were else.

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Saint of Killers can kill things that can't die. He's killed God. "

And that is just stupid extreme PIS. The product of some Meth addict writer. "

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GOD by definition is beyond death, so even if the bullet should kill anything, shooting GOD would then unravel the universe ending every thing.

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"@sevennames27 said:

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GOD by definition is beyond death, so even if the bullet should kill anything, shooting GOD would then unravel the universe ending every thing.

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wrong on that one, god made it to kill anything,ANYTHING, he never thought SOK would turn on him thus why he did this, and it's a comic RULES CAN BE BROKEN. "

Rule 1. God can not die.

Rule 2. Gun shot can kill anyone.

End result two fundamental laws are at odds and destroy the fabric of creation.

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GOD by definition is beyond death, so even if the bullet should kill anything, shooting GOD would then unravel the universe ending every thing.

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