Doflamingo vs Sukuna

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Poll Doflamingo vs Sukuna (22 votes)

The Heavenly Demon 73%
The Honored One 27%

Rules:

1. Speed is equalized

2. Energies are equalized

3. Random encounter

4. Manga and anime feats/scaling only

Who wins and why?

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#1  Edited By LilacPlasmaBeam

Both are versatile, but seeing as how Doffy can stitch up his insides and is a CoA master it's not looking good for Sukuna, unless he uses Major Mahoraga and world cleave

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doffy can't do anything about de

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Even if speed is equalized it doesn't change the massive disparity in stats that Doffy has over Sukuna, the fact Doffy has nigh invisible strings, has Observation Haki, Awakening, Conquers haki able to clash with Dressrosa Luffy's who even in Fishman Island could KO 50,000 Fishman, etc...

"Parasite" and it's over or any other many techniques not to mention Doffy has haki to ignore Sukuna's World Slash which is akin to Law's amputate... also in a random encounter "Parasite" is what Doffy uses.

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This isn't a discussion. Doffy would rip him to ribbons and face tank his DE with 0 to little damage.

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#5  Edited By cekar

Chat GPT says that Sukuna will win (high diff) provided that Doffy makes full use of the awakened fruit and otherwise the (mid diff) https://tutuapp.uno/

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The jjk wank...

Doflamingo twitches his finger and Sukuna's head flies off.

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What's up with so many verses getting wanked?

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Doffy one shots unless sukuna immediately goes for cleave

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Only way Sukuna wins is if his world cutting slash lands, which Doffy could land his attack first and one shots as iirc Sukuna needs to do an entire chant. Plus Doffy could just dodge it.

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@rayvolt said:

What's up with so many verses getting wanked?

Welcome to the PS community

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Doffy precog sees that sukuna doing some weird chanting, doffy twitches to behead sukuna the end.

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not even crying for Mahoraga could help him here

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Doffy solos JJK

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People far below Doflamingo shitstomp.

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2. Energies are equalized

if Haki = CE, then wouldn't sukuna have.. Haki powering his CT's...? sure, you can argue a plethora of spatial resistance feats, but what type of interaction do you have, when said spatial attack is imbued with enough Haki/Energy.. to bypass your own output of it? would a spatial attack even be needed?

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hell, how does this account for output beyond 100%?

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Sukuna can win this battle via ryoiki tenkai or the world cutting slash to chop him up or with mahoraga to adapt to things and destroy entire area with fuga.

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@nassergrant19: he cannot beat Gojo. Stop. And sukuna has a chance even. Yuki can suicide kill him. Stop.

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@chainchan: that's actually a good question. Wouldn't doffy be able to neg dismantle if energy is equal and he's much stronger than sukuna

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@ecoblitz said:

@nassergrant19: he cannot beat Gojo. Stop. And sukuna has a chance even. And sukuna has a chance even. Yuki can suicide kill him. Stop.

1. Maybe once every full moon and when the stars align for him to not get curbstomped by Doffy.

2. This assumes she doesn't get one-shot and turned to red mist by Doflamingo. And even with speed equalized people far below him are able to hit hard enough to make sure nothing would be left of her.

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@dogsrus: lol Doffy won't even be scratched by Sukuna's slashes.
Pre time skip Zoro is overkill for the fodder

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@cbarlion: why is this not locked yet?

This is mismatch. It's a warlord for ffs

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#24  Edited By StrawDiv
@monviez3 said:

Doffy precog sees that sukuna doing some weird chanting, doffy twitches to behead sukuna the end.

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With Speed Equalized and Energies Equalized Sukuna does have a chance because Dismantle can Adjust itself to Doffy's Energy and Negate his Durability, with Energies Equalized Sukuna also has a chance to block Doffy's Strings with Simple Domain, but Doffy still has higher AP.

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advanced kings haki oneshots.

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What tf can Doffy do here?

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Sukuna can’t counter parasite which are strings Sukuna can’t sense or break out of. The fight ends in a moment with Sukuna decapitated.

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@pics said:

Sukuna can’t counter parasite which are strings Sukuna can’t sense or break out of. The fight ends in a moment with Sukuna decapitated.

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What does energy equalized mean?

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@strawdiv: you're right thought sukuna was going to be wanked like most of the times

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advanced kings haki oneshots.

I agree that Doffy stomps, but Doffy doesn't have advanced CoC haki

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#33  Edited By ChainChan
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@chainchan: that's actually a good question. Wouldn't doffy be able to neg dismantle if energy is equal and he's much stronger than sukuna

idk, depends on what haki potency's is based on. if it's sheer.. just unfiltered output? then it's the reverse, as sukuna would almost guarantee, have better output, due to cleave's inner working's, and his narrative proficiency and near mastery of his own energy system (as opposed to doffy's own narrative placement and mastering of haki, probably being nowhere near his own's verse equivalent of some old ass Chinese master). if it's amount? then it's more arbitrary without much comparison.

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Sukuna can’t counter parasite which are strings Sukuna can’t sense or break out of. The fight ends in a moment with Sukuna decapitated.

I don't think Sukuna being "Idle" would give doffy a win in the fight (but then again, im lacking in knowledge in concern's to OP), considering the former's sheer versatility likely wouldn't require him to use any hand-sign's or movement's .

i don't even think it would even stop a potential domain considering his body morphing abilities.. hell, in theory Sukuna could just cast Domain, and change the conditionals in light for his Shikigami not to get targeted. that in tandem with the wheel's exposure to the string's (If they're not already cut) would just lead to Doffy getting shutdown by a potential adaption.

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@chainchan:

I don't think Sukuna being "Idle" would give doffy a win in the fight (but then again, im lacking in knowledge in concern's to OP), considering the former's sheer versatility likely wouldn't require him to use any hand-sign's or movement's .

Um, okay? It doesn't really matter man, because Sukuna gets tagged as soon as the fight starts, speed equal changes very little. Doflamingo has range, the strength advantage and strings that Sukuna can't sense or see, especially when CoO gives precognition where he can straight up read Sukuna's intent if Sukuna decides to move. Parasite is a done-deal.

i don't even think it would even stop a potential domain considering his body morphing abilities.. hell, in theory Sukuna could just cast Domain, and change the conditionals in light for his Shikigami not to get targeted. that in tandem with the wheel's exposure to the string's (If they're not already cut) would just lead to Doffy getting shutdown by a potential adaption.

We're talking about aspects that are completely unrealistic of how the fight would go here. Domain isn't an option and even if it was, it hardly does anything. Sukuna would lose in his own domain, Doflamingo tags Sukuna once and he dies which will be the outcome because Sukuna cannot deal with CoO's effective speed. The only thing possibly capable of cutting Doflamingo's strings is world-slash, but Sukuna dies long before that.

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#36  Edited By ChainChan
@pics said:

@chainchan:

Um, okay? It doesn't really matter man, because Sukuna gets tagged as soon as the fight starts,

Not denying anything yet.

speed equal changes very little. Doflamingo has range, the strength advantage and strings that Sukuna can't sense or see, especially when CoO gives precognition where he can straight up read Sukuna's intent if Sukuna decides to move.

uh huh..

Parasite is a done-deal.

Explain.

We're talking about aspects that are completely unrealistic of how the fight would go here. Domain isn't an option and even if it was, it hardly does anything.

Why isn't domain an Option..? additionally, The specifications i listed, can probably be all be achieved with binding vow's.

ukuna would lose in his own domain, Doflamingo tags Sukuna once and he dies which will be the outcome because Sukuna cannot deal with CoO's effective speed.

It's more likely for Doffy to Enter a Combat Scenario with a Shikigami.. and additionally, if we're just plugging controller's up each combatant's ass, then Sukuna get's the added benefit of hiding in a shadow.

The only thing possibly capable of cutting Doflamingo's strings is world-slash, but Sukuna dies long before that.

Not even that, World Slash generally isn't a good wincon considering it's conditionals.. which is why a domain, in addition to a Shikigami of various assortment's would not only be ideal, but.. a dura-negging GG depending on how you interpret 2.

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@chainchan:

Explain.

Doflamingo's parasite is a string that attaches to you completely ghosting sensory abilities, even against effecient users like Sanji who have a particular skill with it, in terms of Haki Observation is his best. The string restrains characters even physically stronger than Doflamingo and he can apply Parasite over Island-sized distances as well as multiple targets. Parasite physically controls the user, allowing Doflamingo to do whatever he wants.

Why isn't domain an Option..? additionally, The specifications i listed, can probably be all be achieved with binding vow's.

ukuna would lose in his own domain, Doflamingo tags Sukuna once and he dies which will be the outcome because Sukuna cannot deal with CoO's effective speed.

It's more likely for Doffy to Enter a Combat Scenario with a Shikigami.. and additionally, if we're just plugging controller's up each combatant's ass, then Sukuna get's the added benefit of hiding in a shadow.

Sukuna doesn't get a chance to hide in his shadow, Doflamingo has precognition. He'll read Sukuna's intent and end the fight with an attack he can see or range he can't deal with. Sukuna can't make up for the effective speed gap and the fact he's vulnerable to being oneshotted, but I was being generous by arguing Doflamingo needs to use his strings here. He has Conquerors Haki, which is a mental-attack that Sukuna has no way of dealing with.

Not even that, World Slash generally isn't a good wincon considering it's conditionals.. which is why a domain, in addition to a Shikigami of various assortment's would not only be ideal, but.. a dura-negging GG depending on how you interpret 2.

I definitely don't view it entirely as Dura-Neg, even in an Equalized Energy scenario. Unless it was equal stats, then Cleave definitely can get through Doflamingo's defense if it lands, but Cleave works depending on the toughness and cursed energy levels. This can be interpreted to not be dura-neg against opponents way tougher than the AP of cleave and with energy levels way above Sukuna's because Sukuna has more cursed energy than most of the people he tagged with cleave so he's either applying cleave to operate above their CE level or on the same tier proportionally to the amout of CE output that he has. Especially when it seems Cleave was effecting Sukuna's output meaning it is heavily correlated to Attack-Potency.

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@pics said:

@chainchan:

Doflamingo's parasite is a string that attaches to you completely ghosting sensory abilities, even against effecient users like Sanji who have a particular skill with it, in terms of Haki Observation is his best. The string restrains characters even physically stronger than Doflamingo and he can apply Parasite over Island-sized distances as well as multiple targets. Parasite physically controls the user, allowing Doflamingo to do whatever he wants.

Could you reference me the chapter for the first scan?

Sukuna doesn't get a chance to hide in his shadow, Doflamingo has precognition. He'll read Sukuna's Intent.

Depends on how you view intention and emotion. do you draw a concrete distinction, or would you say the two are synonymous?

and end the fight with an attack he can see or range he can't deal with.

Would said attacks even attach when Sukuna can just.. physically coat himself with a plethora of things?

Sukuna can't make up for the effective speed gap and the fact he's vulnerable to being oneshotted,

Don't know the intention for the former with equal speed, but the second depends on how he intend's to kill Sukuna, which i wouldn't really particularly fancy is consistent decap.

but I was being generous by arguing Doflamingo needs to use his strings here. He has Conquerors Haki, which is a mental-attack that Sukuna has no way of dealing with.

Sure he does. Equal Energies, and instinctive soul/spiritual resistance feats, and even enacting his abilities while knocked out,.

I definitely don't view it entirely as Dura-Neg, even in an Equalized Energy scenario. Unless it was equal stats, then Cleave definitely can get through Doflamingo's defense if it lands,

if equal Energy level's/output and durability really limited cleave like that, then Yuta's own usage of cleave within Domain would've one-shotted Sukuna, regardless of his own resistances against his CT.

but Cleave works depending on the toughness and cursed energy levels. This can be interpreted to not be dura-neg against opponents way tougher than the AP of cleave and with energy levels way above Sukuna's because Sukuna has more cursed energy than most of the people he tagged with cleave so he's either applying cleave to operate above their CE level or on the same tier proportionally to the amout of CE output that he has.

you'd be right if you said it accounted for CE amount, but you're wrong with CE Output. considering that's the value that change's in accordance to people above it even in spite of his of nerfs (plus it would be silly to use cleave, if his regular output for Dismantle would suffice.)

And if you're willing to make that concession, then i'd like to bring the argument back to EE, and CE amount being the main attributing factors for dura-neg. which in an EE Setting (Which likely be Haki)

Especially when it seems Cleave was effecting Sukuna's output meaning it is heavily correlated to Attack-Potency.

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