Doflamingo vs hokages

lol doffy can flex a finger and these are all the kage

@dsll: The man had his internal organs practically liquefied. Unless Kakashi aims for the head immediately there's no reason he couldnt be able to reattach his arm or get a new one.

Also it says Doffy has full knowledge of the hokages abilities. No reason he can't do quick swipes at Kakashi and take him out.

also pre cog via observation haki can help him with kamui

@skrskr: sigh, parasite string doesn't magically appears on you,he has to throw the string on them,that easily gets dodged.

Summons would already be there *cough Hiruzen never fights without Enma*.

FTG can be used on attacks as well not just on the person and there is no way that if they telleport far away the string will come.

Kamui can be used on the others since he can still move his eyes

Strength LOL that Jozu feat his fodder to even Raikage let alone Tsunade

My turn now I guess, feats that say he won't get blitzed and one shotted by a casual mokuton construction?

@djoss: it comes from the sky and is nigh invisible and silent, so please explain how anyone will notice it coming?

No one here starts in sage mode.

Hiruzen literally never starts out with enma out and summons him once he needs him which means he doesn’t start with him out. Basic naruto knowledge but whatever.

Again how will minato know a MHS+ string that is nigh invisible and silent be coming without sage mode sensing?

Except Kakashi wouldn’t know that parasite string is the thing that is controlling them since he has no knowledge and the the strings are nigh invisible.

Provide one strength feat for either raikage or tsunade that would allow them to throw a million ton iceberg a hundred + meters in the air.

Because no of them have feats that would allow to blitz doflamingo who allowed a MHS+++ meteor that entered the atmosphere in one panel to be in his face before he diced it several times over.

Can anyone post the scan where Minato uses FTG on Obito's chain, cause this fool clearly has no knowledge on the series.

@skrskr:Back to you, nigh invisible string is supposed to be impressive by elite ninjas?! Freaking Kid Kakashi was already fighting invisible ninjas, the string still moves through the air it doesn't magically appears on you.

Even if the freaking string hits he can just teloport out of there.

Unfortunately I am on mobile but I think that just the fact that Raikage got compared to a biju should be enough.

Damn, MHS+++ meteor that even fodder saw it coming and literally ran away when the same already had pasted the clouds 😂 sure so only fanfic right? He gets blitzed then.

@djoss: jozu who was competing against admirals and scales to Marco who reacted to kizarus lightspeed movement and projectiles didn’t react to parasite string.

None of the hokage have any feats of reaction feats anywhere near that level.

He won’t be able to teleport because the string is controlling his actions, what do you not understand about this?

That is not enough and not a feat, show a lifting feat from raikage or Tsunade that is comparable to million ton+ Jozus feat. All that talking and you attempted to bring an empty statement to defend that position?

Boruto also saw the entire momoshiki fight and literally did not get blitzed by him, I guess Plot induces stupidity doesn’t exist? What a stupid reach lol

Fine the meteor was slow and then by that logic so is momoshiki lol

@skrskr: Lightspeed Kizaru, says that the Hokages don't have reaction feats better than reaction to a meteor that literally ever time it was pulled out was always seen by fodder, says that strings are going to stop them when Obito literally tried to do the same to Minato and failed, says that lifting a building size iceberg requires million of tons and forgets that even Sage Mode Naruto casually throw a giant rino out of Konoha a hundred Kilometric city and he his fodder To Raikage let alone Tsuna. Rofl

Hashirama solos

With full knowledge and the number advantage from the kages side it could go either way

@djoss: kizaru is literally living photons, photons only have one speed... and it’s the speed of light.

Besides the fact that multiple data book statements have him and his projectiles at light speed.

That isn’t what I said, I said none of them have reaction feats that would allow them to react to kizaru.

Building sized iceberg? Stop it

If you understood the size of everything in that scan you wouldn’t make such a ridiculous statement.

Multiple calcs over the years have placed it at that level.

Konaha is not hundreds of kilometers lol

Also you have no way to prove it landed 100s or kilometers away and if you have the scan to prove that ridiculous statement please provide it.

That is a blatant lie, and sending a rhino 100: of meters into the air is no where comparable to throwing a 100+meter iceberg that high.

@shirso said:

@the_alchemist01:

Are you seriously going to compare dressrosa Sanji to the one that fought Katakuri?. By this logic it is better than Katakuri's future sight

Sanji never fought Katakuri and there's like less than a day difference between Dressrosa and WCI arcs, Sanji's CoO couldn't have improved drastically in less than a day. Either way, he has impressive precog and sensing feats even before WCI, like detecting and pinpointing a sniper who was about to shoot him from dozens of meters above ground.

Those beast in east blue would legit get one shot physically by any tailed beasts, iirc the databooks put them at mountain level at least.

Connor Mcgregor would one shot me, but he weighs less than me and it would take more force to move me than him. Again, the force required to move something has nothing to do with their strength or durability, but rather their weight, unless the Bijjus were bracing for impact, which they weren't since they had no idea of the Limbo ability or how it works.

No Sharingan does not give a physical boost neither does the rinne.

I think Tobirama states it does increase strength:

At worst the hokages would finish it in 6-7 minutes FTG combined with bijuu bombs and 2nd hokage's teleporting clones they have this too easy.

If it's BM Minato and he starts in the avatar I agree it's too much, but apart from that I don't think they have anything that he can't handle, especially since with knowledge he will try and decapitate Hashirama straight off the bat. Doffy's attacks are just very powerful, hard to detect or avoid and can be easily spammed, the Hokages do have a numbers, versatility and teamwork advantage hence why I said it can go either way.

1. Let's start with KCM Naruto, he sensed a war happening on the other side of the world his senses are at least on par with high tiers to god tiers barring those with Future sight, BSM minato equipped with FTG could arguably solo with his clones and his explosions.
2. Now Sanji, He dodged the jelly bean from katakuri who saw the future to try to predict sanji dodge and still couldn't hit him, but in dressrosa he got got blindsided by the ability as you said, which can only mean it improved off screen.
3. IMO even though they didn't brace for impact the feat still puts base madara at least hill-large hill in physical strength, Hashi defeated that Madara.
4. To be real here the Hokages have Minato with BSM senses, FTG, Bijuu bombs and clones, Tobirama with Clone spam, Suicidal paper bombs, FTG and superior senses ( Can sense enemies countries away ), Hiruzen (Just being himself lol), Kakashi with his Lightning clones and Infamous Kamui snipe, lastly Lady Tsuna with Her 100 healings with Immense strength of cracking part of a susanoo.

Nope Doffy gets no diffed. Make it one of them Excluding Minato and Hashi and then it'll be a fight.

@djoss: just saying... fodder didn’t know what doffy, law, and Fuji did... they asked what happened in that split second.

Fodder didn’t react to it afaik

And they say One Piece is lowballed...

@woodward: I KNOW!

Hashirama solo stomps(literally). Doffy is fodder to him.

Minato solo stomps(if he has BM). Doffy is fodder to him too.

Adding the other hokages makes this an even bigger mismatch and doffy's worst nightmare.

OP wank is going out of control now and this is becoming the norm.

@the_alchemist01: wtf is BSM senses....its just chakra sensing thanks to sage mode

@ourmanuel: stop, you know better.

On topic: Hashirama or minato stomp.

Hiruzen can take doffy woth him,

Kakashi can bfr.

Tobirama is nigh featless

Tsunade shouldn't be here.

@the_alchemist01:

Let's start with KCM Naruto, he sensed a war happening on the other side of the world his senses are at least on par with high tiers to god tiers barring those with Future sight, BSM minato equipped with FTG could arguably solo with his clones and his explosions.

Naruto sensory is based on chakra sensing, and their precognition is just move reading, OP Observation haki is just much superior and Doffy's strings have easily blindsided expert CoO users.

Minato didn't show BSM btw, and I do agree BM Minato can beat Doffy, but he didn't have Kurama when alive, as the op says.

Now Sanji, He dodged the jelly bean from katakuri who saw the future to try to predict sanji dodge and still couldn't hit him, but in dressrosa he got got blindsided by the ability as you said, which can only mean it improved off screen.

Sanji getting blindsided by the strings is a feat for the strings, since by all rights Doffy's strings are nigh invisible and much harder to detect than those jellybeans. And this is hardly the first time Doffy's abilities have completely blindsided high tier CoO users. He did the same to Diamond Jozu back in Marineford, who is one of WB's top Commanders. Regardless, Sanji has good precog and sensing feats even before WCI and called the specialist CoO user of the Monster trio.

IMO even though they didn't brace for impact the feat still puts base madara at least hill-large hill in physical strength, Hashi defeated that Madara.

Maybe, but still objectively fodder at Doffy's tier, like Hajrudin's feat alone is way better than that.

To be real here the Hokages have Minato with BSM senses, FTG, Bijuu bombs and clones, Tobirama with Clone spam, Suicidal paper bombs, FTG and superior senses ( Can sense enemies countries away ), Hiruzen (Just being himself lol), Kakashi with his Lightning clones and Infamous Kamui snipe, lastly Lady Tsuna with Her 100 healings with Immense strength of cracking part of a susanoo.

Minato never showed BSM, in fact he doesn't even get Kurama here, and I agree the Hokages have a lot of tricky abilities between them, but at the end of the day every single one of them is a glass canon who can't tank the piercing output of Doffy's strings, while he can decapitate them all with a single string swipe initiated by a twitch of his fingers. He has knowledge of their abilities on top while they don't, plus precog and his attacks are a lot harder to detect or understand, and can be easily spammed.

It's not that the Hokages are weak by any means, it's just that Doffy is the kind of character who is really good at taking down groups of people with comparatively low physical durability and strength.

Hashirama is not soloing Doffy by any means...

@skrskr: Benn gun is ftl I get it.

Let's say that they don't have reactions to react to Kizaru why that matters here?

The scan really trick me because of how you can clearly see Jozu, anyway that feat is something that casual SM Naruto can do, Tsuna break the strings no diff, or they just simple teleport with FTG, I still don't understand how parasite string is relevant here.

How about the fact that literally dwarf the forest of death which has 20 km?

I already said that I am on mobile there is no way I can get the scans, mate the rino literally disappeared in the sky, and was out of Konoha lol at only lifted the rino 100 meters in the air and again clearly shows that have no knowledge on the series whatsoever.

wtf are you on about?

@ecoblitz: What do you mean? They ran away because Caeser literally screamed that it was a meteor, I think that asked that because they were trying to understand what happened to them in general.

@djoss: You can easily perceive MHS objects coming from far away that's hardly the point, but Doffy, Law and Issho allowed it to practically be in their face (like a dozen or so meters away) before starting to react, and nobody, including Caesar could perceive anything at all, in those last few meters of the meteor's path.

Which is incredibly impressive because Caesar is a MHS character in his own right by virtue of being able to keep up with Luffy the previous arc.

@shirso: What is MHS to you? Quantify the exact number to where MHS starts to you, and how fast that meteor was to you.

And the other guy said that the meteor was moving at MHS+++ which is bs.

@djoss: Mach 100+

@shirso: So to you the meteor was moving at that speed?

@djoss: At least, meteorites as big as the Green Bit one can easily get to even Mach 200, and this one was possibly even faster, as it was instantly visible in the sky in the time it took for Issho to merely raise his sword. Even if we say Issho is just hypersonic, that means the meteorite covered an insane distance in a fraction of a second.

But yeah Mach 100 is bare minimum

@shirso: The problem with that is that:

They only notice the meteor when he passed the cloud view, and then ran away faster than the same.

The time he used when he was eating ramen the meteor was reacted by Nami and Chooper (the keyword is Nami)

The last giant one that he used on Dressrosa couldn't had those speed seeing how big it was, otherwise it would have destroyed the entire island.

@ourmanuel: BSM senses.

BSM= Bijuu mode + Sage mode

bijuu mode allows the user sense intent (threat perception)

sagemode allows the user sense chakra on a nigh planetary scale, and also gives threat perception (precog).

its not just chakra sensing.

you know betyer than to say its just chakra sensing.

Sage mode is literally a kenbunshoku haki ripoff.

Says one piece is getting wanked and isn't lowballed

Same thread:

Any Hokage one shots

Hashirama stomps the verse.

Hokages stomp, literally any of them can solo.

Strength LOL that Jozu feat is fodder to even Raikage let alone Tsunade

no it’s not lmfao

@ourmanuel:

Fine, Lets do this...

chakra sensors vs sage mode users whats the difference.

we start with sensors, examples tobirama, temari, kakashi, karin, ao, ino, fuu... they all sense chakra, but what else do they have in common.

https://i6.mangapanda.com/naruto/377/naruto-1569227.jpg

jiraiya explains, they have to see an attack to evade it successfully. so its not threat perception, they'd simply sense chakra behind them, if its enormous they think jutsu! and turn around only to see naruto just standing there. few can tell jutsu apart

https://i6.mangapanda.com/naruto/377/naruto-1569227.jpg

but they have to see it.

NOW SAGE MODE.

USERS, minato, Naruto, lord fukasaku, lady shima, jiraiya, kabuto, madara, hashirama, gamamaru. i left out sixpaths tier.

they sense chakra, but waht else do they do that makes them so different from chakra sensors.

first. they have threat perception (not chakra perception). Lord fukasaku the sage who trains sages said so, as such its legit.

https://i1.mangapanda.com/naruto/431/naruto-8679.jpg

(threat perception beyond the ordinary = precog)

madara (without eyes) becomes a sage (like two seconds ago)

https://i8.mangapanda.com/naruto/657/naruto-4612101.jpg

sasuke tries to sneak up on him.

https://i10.mangapanda.com/naruto/657/naruto-4612103.jpg

madara evades all sasuke throws at him (while blind). you could say he heard sasuke coming.

tobirama tries blindsiding madara (became a like a minute ago) with hiraishin giri (instantaneous slash using teleportation).

https://i5.mangapanda.com/naruto/661/naruto-4720241.jpg

madara evades again.

Chakra sensing: needs to see the attack

sage mode: doesn't need eyes and also dodges inanimate objects (devoid of chakra), like tobiramas kunai, if sage mode only sensed chakra, you could kill a senjutsu user by throwing a kunai at them, cuz they'd only sense you are going to swing your arm. kabuto fought both itachi and sasuke while blind.

conclusion: Not chakra perception bit threat perception. don't take it from me, take it from naruto.

https://i5.mangapanda.com/naruto/555/naruto-2633551.jpg

(threat perception Beyond the ordinary , pre-cog).

sage obito literally blocked Amaterasu and mocked sasuke for not knowing he sensed the attack coming before it happened.

@djoss: it’s extremely possible he can amp his bullets with haki same way we have seen weaker characters do with arrows.

Your argument was that they would react to the parasite string and jozu could not, he scales to Marco who reacted to kizaru.

So not one feat of SM naruto lifting anything comparable

So you can’t provide a scan of said rhino landing 100s of kilometers away? Even though you said that’s what happened?

It is highly unlikely that Hashirama can be defeated by Doflamingo, but the other Hokage he might take them most likely.

@skrskr: So, if I use the data book that says that Raikage fastest punch is near Lightspeed I am the crazy one. But Kizaru being Lightspeed and being afraid of a gun makes TOTAL sense. Lmfao

I see so Jozu scales to Marco who can react to Lightspeed attacks and he couldn't react to string, therefore FTL Mingo string. Rofl

Throwing a giant rino hundreds of kilometers away when the same person can't even compare to Raikage, when Raikage is weaker than Tsunade, don't make Tsunade anyway close to break the strings right? Lol

Yep.

It's funny how when the Narutards are questioned on wanking their verse, they point to a couple of users who blow Bleach/OP way out of proportion without acknowledging the fact that the Naruto ones easily outnumber them on this site.

That said, the Hokages definitely win this, especially with Hashirama on board. But as you say, arguing that the likes of Tsuande could solo is hilarious.

@djoss: a relativistic lariat directly contradicts speed placement for the raikage that is established before and during the war arc.

Kizaru respecting Ben Beckman doesn’t contradict anything because of who Ben is, also I guess you didn’t know this but he literally ignores Ben and the gun and proceeds to attack anyways, because kizaru is a troll if your whole argument was based around bens gun you fail because kizaru ignores it anyways.

No one said the strings are FTL, it just shows you how hard the strings are to detect when people with better reactions and 360 sensing have failed to notice them coming.

So still no scan of the rhino landing hundreds of kilometers away?

You keep harping on that as a feat but have failed to provide and actual proof of this happening.

Also the raikage does not lift as much as sage mode naruto even though he is faster and strikes harder, lifting does not equal striking and you have to provide a basis for saying the raikage lifts more than sage mode naruto, which I doubt you can since you can’t even provide proof of the rhino which is the only thing you are attempting to stand on lol

@skrskr: Pls stop tagging me.

So doflamingo wins?

@djoss: still no feat of the rhino landing 100’s kilometers away

No feat to prove the raikage lifts more than sage mode naruto

And you blatantly ignored kizaru ignoring Ben beckmans gun and his threats.

Solid concession fam

@skrskr: Mate, I can't take you serious anymore so again stop tagging me

@djoss: “I can’t provide scans for the ridiculous claims I made and now I’m salty”

Fixed it for you

There blocked.

I don’t see how it’s so hard to defend the ridiculous claims you make lol

The mighty Thanos applauds you.

@mcu-defender333: I am not worthy lol