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Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) 1 year, 6 months ago

Poll: Does Invincible Always Lose? Invincible vs Superboy (64 votes)

Invincible 52%
Post Crisis Superboy 42%
Maybe, not sure. 6%

Thanks to the popular Does Batman Always Win segments by @k4tzm4n, and the recent Does Miles Morales Always Lose, I decided to make one for Invincible whose awesome comic run is coming to a end. Every week or two I will make a new match, and keep track of Mark's wins and losses. At the end we can see where Comicvine places Mark in terms to other characters in battles.

Losses

Invincible vs Post Crisis Wonder Woman

Wins

Invincible vs Ms Marvel

Invincible vs Namor

Draws

None

This Weeks Match

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Battle Forum Rules

  • Death or KO.
  • Standard Gear. As in gear used more than once, and easily reachable for said character.
  • Start 20 feet apart in a city street.
  • Morals on and in character.
  • Everyone is current or last seen for versions.

Match will close Friday. Results will be tallied in the next post.

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#1 Posted by MasterSkywalker (3609 posts) - - Show Bio

This looks like it should be a cool BOTW. Very interested to see the arguments for both.

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#2 Posted by Wyldsong (9813 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump. Would like to see some Superboy arguments here before making a choice.

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#3 Edited by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm laughing at post crisis Superbly running away with votes. I wonder if people are confusing Superboy with Super Boy Prime

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#4 Posted by ValorKnight (12463 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll go with Mark for a solid majority.

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#5 Posted by Amendment50 (15587 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean, Superboy does have numerous Superman-quality feats.

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#6 Posted by seastone98 (4748 posts) - - Show Bio

Dis needs 2 be a crossover

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#7 Posted by Vertigo- (17846 posts) - - Show Bio

Would love to see some feats for Connor. I've only read his intro material, before he was retconned into being half kryptonian

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#8 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@amendment50: Conner Kent is also majorly inferior to Superman and Supergirl

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#9 Edited by Amendment50 (15587 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: Yeah, but so is Invincible, so he doesn't really need not to be.

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#10 Edited by Saren (27934 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Invincible. I don't think Conner could even survive being in the sun, much less fight a Thragg-level opponent in the sun like Mark did.

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#11 Posted by MasterSkywalker (3609 posts) - - Show Bio

I mean, Superboy does have numerous Superman-quality feats.

Hmmm, but Invincible is Superman level after all. 🤔

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#12 Posted by ValorKnight (12463 posts) - - Show Bio

@amendment50 said:

I mean, Superboy does have numerous Superman-quality feats.

Hmmm, but Invincible is Superman level after all. 🤔

No, he most definitely is not.

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#13 Posted by MasterSkywalker (3609 posts) - - Show Bio

@valor_175:

No, he most definitely is not.

I was being facetious.

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#14 Posted by ValorKnight (12463 posts) - - Show Bio

@valor_175:

No, he most definitely is not.

I was being facetious.

I see. It's a bit hard to tell with all of the wank/downplay on both sides of the argument.

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#15 Posted by reaverlation (25914 posts) - - Show Bio

Invincible though Connor can take some hits in the process

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#16 Posted by Thedailybagel (12910 posts) - - Show Bio

Mark probably.

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#17 Posted by Jonez_ (11470 posts) - - Show Bio

Invincible though Connor can take some hits in the process

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#18 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (4629 posts) - - Show Bio

Invincible

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#19 Posted by DeathHero61 (18870 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

Probably Invincible. I don't think Conner could even survive being in the sun, much less fight a Thragg-level opponent in the sun like Mark did.

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#20 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18619 posts) - - Show Bio

Invicible.

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#21 Posted by MErulezall (3810 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: tbh, superboy's haircut alone gives invincible the win.

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#22 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio
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#23 Posted by Lvenger (36338 posts) - - Show Bio

Invincible probably wins, his fight with Thragg puts him above Superboy's level physically for certain.

Would love to see some feats for Connor. I've only read his intro material, before he was retconned into being half kryptonian

I recall posting a bunch of feats for a Superboy vs Wonder Man BOW so I could post some if you want feats for Conner?

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#24 Edited by Vertigo- (17846 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

I recall posting a bunch of feats for a Superboy vs Wonder Man BOW so I could post some if you want feats for Conner?

Nah, I just found the thread in question after you mentioned it, While some of the feats you posted are of Post-Flashpoint Connor, it's still a good help. I'll probably back Mark, considering he got more impressive feats recently, at least from what I've seen, such as his fighting Thragg in the sun.

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#25 Edited by Lvenger (36338 posts) - - Show Bio
@blackestnight93 said:
@lvenger said:

I recall posting a bunch of feats for a Superboy vs Wonder Man BOW so I could post some if you want feats for Conner?

Nah, I just found the thread in question after you mentioned it, While some of the feats you posted are of Post-Flashpoint Connor, it's still a good help. I'll probably back Mark, considering he got more impressive feats recently, at least from what I've seen, such as his fighting Thragg in the sun.

That's good then. Yeah I made the mistake of posting New 52 Superboy feats as well. There are a couple other decent feats I know of like Conner staggering Brainiac and tearing Lex Luthor's warsuit apart but in general Mark is more impressive, especially lately like you said.

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#26 Edited by Yassassin (7703 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't care what anyone say, Superboy 90's looks is an always will be the dopest look.

Mark wins btw

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#27 Posted by Major_Hellstrom (18036 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, Mark wins this. And since that would mean his W/L would be 3-1, this series is pretty much over since the answer is clearly no.

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#28 Edited by DarkPsychicLord_Prime (4147 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren: Surviving in the sun only requires building level durability, city block level if you are in the core, that is if you are human sized in terms of volume and surface area.

It's explained here:

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:966735?useskin=oasis

And here:

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:DontTalk/Durability_required_to_resist_the_heat_of_the_sun

It would be more of a low showing that both Mark and Thragg got hurt by being in the upper layers of the sun. This happens in many comics because writers don't really know the durability required for a regular human sized character to survive in the sun. Even a Nuke can hit temperatures above the core of the Sun and Mark has tanked worse than that.

Regardless i find Mark's feats superior to Conner's.

Edit: I think the links are not working, just search: vs battle wiki invincible upgrade.

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#29 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be more of a low showing that both Mark and Thragg got hurt by being in the upper layers of the sun. This happens in many comics because writers don't really know the durability required for a regular human sized character to survive in the sun. Even a Nuke can hit temperatures above the core of the Sun and Mark has tanked worse than that.

Real quick, its stated sun temperatures hurt Mark and Thragg for a reason. While Mark can tank nuke heat and stuff, the Smart Atoms that make Mark up are able to be broke down by prolong exposure to sun temperature heats. So a quick flash of heat is not a threat, but a minuet or more clearly was.

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#30 Posted by MErulezall (3810 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz said:

@merulezall said:

@sirfizzwhizz: tbh, superboy's haircut alone gives invincible the win.

90s man, it was the 90s.

I'm aware, and it was stupid then as well. I miss the 90s but that's something I didn't miss ha.

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#33 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

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#34 Posted by pansito (1255 posts) - - Show Bio

invincible

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#35 Posted by katanalauncher (3718 posts) - - Show Bio

Superboy with just TK loses, with kryptonian powers wins .

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#36 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

Superboy with just TK loses, with kryptonian powers wins .

There is no TK here mate. Post Crisis feats only. 90s to 2000s era. Not New 52.

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#37 Edited by Vertigo- (17846 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: Superboy originally had TTK (Tactile telekinesis). He was a clone of the founder of Cadmus (I think it was Cadmus anyway). This was retconned in the 2000's to where he had half kryptonian DNA instead and got Superman powers and stats and stopped using his TTK. That's what KL was talking about

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#38 Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: Superboy originally had TTK (Tactile telekinesis). He was a clone of the founder of Cadmus (I think it was Cadmus anyway). This was retconned in the 2000's to where he had half kryptonian DNA instead and got Superman powers and stats and stopped using his TTK. That's what KL was talking about

We are talking Conner Kent of the Teen Titans right? Only TK using Superboy I know of was New 52 one.

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#39 Edited by Vertigo- (17846 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackestnight93 said:

@sirfizzwhizz: Superboy originally had TTK (Tactile telekinesis). He was a clone of the founder of Cadmus (I think it was Cadmus anyway). This was retconned in the 2000's to where he had half kryptonian DNA instead and got Superman powers and stats and stopped using his TTK. That's what KL was talking about

We are talking Conner Kent of the Teen Titans right? Only TK using Superboy I know of was New 52 one.

Yup. Up until 2003, Connor was a pure human clone with TTK to simulate some of Superman's powers. Johns retconned him in the 2003 run of Teen Titans to be half kryptonian.

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#41 Edited by Lvenger (36338 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: @blackestnight93: Actually Post Crisis Superboy started using TTK again during and after Blackest Night several times alongside his Kryptonian powers as well. So Conner is likely to use his TTK powers against Mark in the fight.

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#42 Posted by Vertigo- (17846 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: huh. That, I didn’t know. Appreciate that

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