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Posted by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) 1 year, 6 months ago

Poll: Does Darth Vader Always Win? Darth Vader vs Warmachine (74 votes)

Darth Vader (Legends) 80%
Warmachine 16%
Maybe, not sure. 3%

Thanks to the popular Does Batman Always Win segments by @k4tzm4n, and the recent Does Miles Morales Always Lose, I decided to make one for the infamous Dark Lord. Every week or two I will make a new match, and keep track of Mark's wins and losses. At the end we can see where Comicvine places The Dark Lord in terms to other characters in battles.

Losses

None

Wins

Darth Vader vs New 52 Aquaman

Draws

None

This Weeks Match

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Battle Forum Rules

  • Death or KO.
  • Standard Gear. As in gear used more than once, and easily reachable for said character.
  • Start 20 feet apart in a city street.
  • Morals on and in character.
  • Everyone is current or last seen for versions.

Match will close Friday. Results will be tallied in the next post.

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#2 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18587 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader

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#3 Posted by deactivated-5c8fd6cb3e4f4 (18365 posts) - - Show Bio

This really is not fair lol

Vader stomps

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#4 Posted by SuperGoku17 (7220 posts) - - Show Bio

War machine gets to choke on his asparations

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#5 Posted by Batvibe12 (5762 posts) - - Show Bio

Queen Vader.

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#6 Posted by MaximusPrime223 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader wins, warmachine cant do anything to counter the force choke

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#7 Posted by Fetts (6247 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember someone saying once that Stark's armors were TK immune, but that could be wrong for all I know.

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#8 Posted by deactivated-5aad0467ddfcf (965 posts) - - Show Bio

vader wins

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#10 Posted by Laurus (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader wins in a stomp.

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#11 Posted by Red_Leader (907 posts) - - Show Bio

Legends Vader Murderstompsweeps War Machine

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#12 Edited by AlphaQ (6472 posts) - - Show Bio

If Vader uses his TK to wreck Rhodey internally he wins, if he dawdles around and doesn't abuse his Force advantage then War Machine wins via sheer firepower.

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#13 Posted by Chronicplane (9373 posts) - - Show Bio

Darth Vader FTW

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#14 Posted by KingCrimson (5817 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader crushes him like a coke can.

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#16 Posted by Richard96 (5826 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader curbstomps

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#17 Posted by EugenSavoyen (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader thunderclaps him into ashes.

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#18 Posted by Chronicplane (9373 posts) - - Show Bio

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#19 Posted by Jonez_ (11470 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader takes this.

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#20 Edited by Noone1996 (12076 posts) - - Show Bio

War Machine one-shots. Absolutely hilarious to me that people say it's a stomp in Vader's favor. Also, this isn't Star Wars Battlefront II on the PlayStation where as soon as you start getting choked you become paralyzed and can't move or fight back. It takes 10-20 seconds to choke someone out if they are actively resisting. I'm sure Vader will continue choking Rhodes after he nukes the entire battlefield around him.

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#21 Edited by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996: Vader does not take long to snap necks at all really.

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Or simply spontaneous combust you inside out that happens in in Legends.

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Or a possible TP rout.

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#22 Posted by Noone1996 (12076 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirfizzwhizz: This is an example of the moving the goalpost fallacy. Although to be fair, you specifically never made any claim about Vader using force choke for the win. Still, my point was that force choke would honestly be useless. Those internal attacks could work since we've never seen internal defenses on War Machine's armor, but if he's going to go with an internal attack, I'm pretty sure the force choke is more often used in character. The WM armor does have TP countermeasures though for sure.

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#23 Posted by TheWatcherKing (18587 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader

Not really sure why I backed Vader here, I think war machine would win.

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#24 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (7673 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader

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#25 Edited by SirFizzWhizz (37749 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996: Well I also agree Vader can be one shot too. So for what its worth.

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#26 Posted by Noone1996 (12076 posts) - - Show Bio
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#28 Posted by FireStarLord73194 (5465 posts) - - Show Bio

What can rhodey do when a spinning lightsaber comes flying towards his face

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#29 Edited by Richard96 (5826 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996:

Vader can easily dodge or deflect what rhoades sends at him, and can easily stomp him via force.

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#31 Posted by Noone1996 (12076 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96: Has he ever deflected lasers as potent as War Machine's repulsors? Repulsors which have harmed Red Hulk or Wonder Man? I doubt Vader has ever force crushed an armor as durable as Rhodey's. An armor which tanked a nuke at 0% power, tanked repeated blows from Wonder Man, Ares, and She-Hulk, as well as an optic blast from Ultimo (which casually destroyed a mountain). Force choke will honestly take too long to take down James before he just blasts Vader to make him stop.

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#32 Posted by Richard96 (5826 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996:

Vader put up barriers capable of blocking fire from armies, he deflected the laser bolts of ships, he crushed durasteel objects like cans...

force choke is an instant kill for who can’t counter it.

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#33 Posted by Noone1996 (12076 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96: How powerful are these lasers? I kind of doubt any of those lasers would even tickle Red Hulk. Just because he deflected a laser from SW that doesn't mean he can deflect ALL lasers. How durable is durasteel? Force choke has never instantly killed anyone. The only way Vader is instantly killing with the force is if he breaks Rhodey's neck, but the OP set Vader "in character" and he more often uses the force choke and not the force to twist his head around.

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#34 Edited by Richard96 (5826 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996:

These lasers are powerful enough to make big holes in the ground and to destroy trees.

Durasteel is the most durable metal in SW. What metal War machine’s suit is made of?

Force choke can kill instantly a non force sensitive, no doubts. However, if vader finds him in trouble can easily twist Rhodes neck around or crush his internal organs.

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#35 Posted by Noone1996 (12076 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96: That's not even remotely comparable to what War Machine's repulsors are capable of. What kinds of feats does durasteel have? Iron Man armors have a mixture of extremely durable metals. He's implemented SKIN tech (which is flexible low grade adamantium), but what really makes his armor so durable is the fact that the metals are stitched together by cellular sized force-fields. Show me an instance of force choke instantly killing someone. You can't choke someone to death instantly. If Vader gets the chance to even use force choke and Rhodey realizes he's in trouble he's just going to vaporize the entire battlefield around them to make the choking stop.

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#36 Edited by Zofistian (144 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't Vader have FTL reaction feats? I believe the I-FIve lasers were stated explicitly to be lightspeed, and he froze them mid blast. He's dragged actual space craft out of the sky too. What's stopping him from just instantly crushing Rhodes? I don't see Rhodes having any blasts Vader couldn't stop mid-air.

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#37 Posted by Richard96 (5826 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996:

“That's not even remotely comparable to what War Machine's repulsors are capable of. ”

Vader parried then easily. And he could even put up a force barrier, if necessary.

“Show me an instance of force choke instantly killing someone. You can't choke someone to death instantly. If Vader gets the chance to even use force choke and Rhodey realizes he's in trouble he's just going to vaporize the entire battlefield around them to make the choking stop.”

If you want to just choke, you have to wait that the choked guy finishes the air. But if you want to kill quickly, you can snap necks with the force:

“He paused, shot both hands out in front of him, and and raised his clenched fists. The clones were lifted in the Force, dropping their blasters as their hands went to their necks to pry off invisible hands. Desh heard an awful crunch, and they both went limp. Sneering, Dooku hurled the corpses directly at Bayons and Desh.

Source: Dark Disciple”

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#38 Posted by Noone1996 (12076 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96: Parrying weaker attacks isn't going to help him. What kinds of feats does his force barrier have? Again, I highly doubt Vader is capable of blocking Rhodey's beams. And yeah I know he can snap necks with the force, but if he's going to use an internal attack in character I'm pretty sure he's going to go with the force choke more often than not.

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#39 Edited by SupremeGeneration (11964 posts) - - Show Bio

What can rhodey do when a spinning lightsaber comes flying towards his face

Dodge it? Shoot it?

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#40 Posted by WollfMyth209 (17059 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996: Has he ever deflected lasers as potent as War Machine's repulsors? Repulsors which have harmed Red Hulk or Wonder Man?

In some sources, yeah, he's seen using Force Barriers in unfavourable circumstances to survive attacks of the multi city block calibre, without much damage.

As for the match up, it's a matter of who hits first and with what. In which case, I'd see Vader winning a slight majority, but War Machine can also win a few rounds.

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#41 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader wins this.

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#42 Posted by Noone1996 (12076 posts) - - Show Bio

@wollfmyth209: I think it'd take a bit more than a multi-city block leveling attack to hurt Wonder Man or Red Hulk. I've also recently encountered a feat where War Machine makes Thor scream out in pain by blasting him. Beams like that aren't being deflected or blocked. Vader would be better off dodging, but again this is in character and he probably tries to parry lasers more often than not.

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#43 Posted by ElSebbe (372 posts) - - Show Bio

Vader stomps due to The Force

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#44 Posted by Richard96 (5826 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996:

“Parrying weaker attacks isn't going to help him. What kinds of feats does his force barrier have? Again, I highly doubt Vader is capable of blocking Rhodey's beams. And yeah I know he can snap necks with the force, but if he's going to use an internal attack in character I'm pretty sure he's going to go with the force choke more often than not.”

Feats for rhodes’ beams?

I told you, if Vader starts with the choke and Rhodes try to react, he can easily pass to snapping his neck.

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#45 Posted by DukeOfFanboy (57 posts) - - Show Bio

LEGENDS Vader is way cooler than current Vader.

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#46 Posted by Noone1996 (12076 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats for rhodes’ beams?

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Makes Red Hulk, Thor, and Wonder Man scream out in pain. Actually burns Simon's hand.

Hurting characters this durable is impressive.

I told you, if Vader starts with the choke and Rhodes try to react, he can easily pass to snapping his neck.

If Vader is in the process of choking him and War Machine starts blasting at him, won't he just hold the chokehold and try to parry the attacks?

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#47 Posted by Richard96 (5826 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone1996:

“Hurting characters this durable is impressive.”

Good, but I can’t see why a laser beam which can dig holes in the ground and incinerate trees cannot do the same. Besides, vader has an insane durability too. He tanked LightSabers in his guts and massive explosions with ease.

He has force barriers and he can make a shield with his LightSaber:

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Rhoades isn’t winning with his beams.

“If Vader is in the process of choking him and War Machine starts blasting at him, won't he just hold the chokehold and try to parry the attacks?”

Multitasking is a common ability among sith and Jedi. He can parry or dodge and snap rhoades neck at the same time.

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#48 Posted by Noone1996 (12076 posts) - - Show Bio

@richard96: So you think that tree busting beams are going to hurt Red Hulk, Wonder Man, and Thor? Seriously? Do you even know anything about how durable they are? Or do I need to post them no-selling nuclear level attacks? Vader isn't blocking beams that can hurt high tiers.

I just don't see why he'd resort to snapping his neck right away. He'd view him as some simple droid or storm trooper level opponent. If he ever gets to see what kind of firepower War Machine packs then he's not going to survive. Flight is also a factor here. Has he ever grabbed or choked a massively hypersonic opponent while he's zipping around at blinding speeds?

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@noone1996:

“ So you think that tree busting beams are going to hurt Red Hulk, Wonder Man, and Thor? Seriously? Do you even know anything about how durable they are? Or do I need to post them no-selling nuclear level attacks? Vader isn't blocking beams that can hurt high tiers.”

Hurting =\= killing. Vader can also dodge, anyway. He has lightspeed reflexes and insane speed. War machine’s armor has a great durability, but rhoades is still an human with human durability, and Vader has million of ways to kill a normal human via force.

Even if he undersells rhoades initially, the latter isn’t one shotting him, and as soon as Vader senses him as a menace (thing that he can do even immediately via force), he TK or TP him.

Vader survived this with no injuries:

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“Has he ever grabbed or choked a massively hypersonic opponent while he's zipping around at blinding speeds?”

Vader has blinding speeds too, then it is not a problem. One thing is using TK to ragdoll, but Vader has no need to use it in that way, another is using TK directly to the enemy’s body, as vader is gonna to do here.

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#50 Posted by Daredevil808 (529 posts) - - Show Bio

Lord Vader