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Posted by Chronicplane (7247 posts) 6 months, 9 days ago

Poll: Does Captain America Always Win: Captain America vs Solid Snake (87 votes)

Captain America 59%
Solid Snake 36%
Not Sure 6%

Figured I wanted to do one myself and big shout out to @k4tzm4n and @sirfizzwhizz for giving me this idea, This match up segment is based on the "Sentinel Of Liberty", The Super Soldier and Legendary War hero Steve Rogers "Captain America". Every Week I'll make a new match and as such I'll keep track of Cap's wins and losses to determine where Comicvine places him in terms to other characters in battle, With this said lets begin with the first.

Wins

Captain America vs Edward Elric

Captain America vs The Predator (Scar)

Captain America vs Spider-Gwen

Loses

Captain America vs Deathstroke (New 52)

Captain America vs Kraven The Hunter

Captain America vs Hero Killer Stain

Draw

none

The Match

No Caption Provided

Rules of the battle:

  • No prep time and no prior knowledge
  • Steve Rogers is regular version (No Hydra Cap), Snake is Composite Version (Prime Snake)
  • Win is by Incapitation, BFR (Battle-Field Removal), Death by all counts
  • All morals are on, Both of these fighters are in character however are serious and determined to win
  • Composite Standard gear and equipment (No metal gear unit)
  • Snake is able to communicate with Otocon via Codec
  • Starting distance between the fighters is 100 feet apart from each other and are visible
  • Location is in a generic city, Lets say Manhattan Night time
  • Environment is empty but accessible

This match up will close next Monday, Results of the pole will be posted after.

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#1 Posted by Elijah_C_Washington (4534 posts) - - Show Bio

This fight was decided from the get-go. Captain America does not know CQC so therefore he loses.

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#3 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio

Snake. With composite feats as specified here, it's a stomp.

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#4 Posted by OriginalCaptain (3481 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap bodies him.

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#5 Posted by cdiddyman911 (5394 posts) - - Show Bio

I will respond soon to this

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#6 Posted by LDM (5302 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap in a good fight

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#7 Posted by GCA (139 posts) - - Show Bio
@ldm said:

Cap in a good fight

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#8 Posted by HeroUp2112 (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

This fight was decided from the get-go. Captain America does not know CQC so therefore he loses.

Captain America doesn't know CQC??? Not with GUNS maybe, but if you're close enough for CQC you're close enough for him to block shots with his shield and him get his hands on you then you're done.

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#9 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio

@heroup2112: CQC is a fictional martial art in the Metal Gear universe.

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#10 Posted by Old_Blighty (829 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55 said:

@heroup2112: CQC is a fictional martial art in the Metal Gear universe.

You forgot to tell him that it is a style that makes total sense and beats all other styles.

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#11 Posted by HeroUp2112 (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know a whole lot about this Snake guy except for a few basic things but unless he's a bad ass sniper with a silencer that's so quiet it only exists in video games I don't see Cap NOT pounding him.

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#12 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

This fight was decided from the get-go. Captain America does not know CQC so therefore he loses.

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#13 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55 said:

@heroup2112: CQC is a fictional martial art in the Metal Gear universe.

You forgot to tell him that it is a style that makes total sense and beats all other styles.

Addressed in #1.

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#14 Posted by HeroUp2112 (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55 said:

@heroup2112: CQC is a fictional martial art in the Metal Gear universe.

@lubub55 said:

@heroup2112: CQC is a fictional martial art in the Metal Gear universe.

You forgot to tell him that it is a style that makes total sense and beats all other styles.

Oh...um...well. lol didn't know that. Would the "beats all other styles" thing transfer to non-Metal Gear universes?

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#15 Posted by jplaya2023 (733 posts) - - Show Bio

snake loses in physical combat he would have to kill him with a nuke or some type of weapon

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#16 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know a whole lot about this Snake guy except for a few basic things but unless he's a bad ass sniper with a silencer that's so quiet it only exists in video games I don't see Cap NOT pounding him.

How come?

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#17 Posted by Elijah_C_Washington (4534 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Edited by HeroUp2112 (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55 said:
@heroup2112 said:

I don't know a whole lot about this Snake guy except for a few basic things but unless he's a bad ass sniper with a silencer that's so quiet it only exists in video games I don't see Cap NOT pounding him.

How come?

Cap has heard and avoided sniper fire before (enhanced senses) and even the quietest military grade silencers (unless there's something I've just never even heard RUMORS about exists) Cap is almost certainly going to hear it, dodge it or block it. Then it's a matter of finding Snake and beating the snot out of him. HOWEVER, I didn't know about this CQC thing, how it works or whether it transfers. OR, is Snake more than just a highly skilled super agent/SF guy who's a bad ass martial artist and gunsmith?

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#19 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio

@heroup2112: I mean, why do you think Steve is capable of winning up close? Do you think he's stronger, faster, more skilled etc.?

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#21 Posted by HeroUp2112 (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55 said:

@heroup2112: I mean, why do you think Steve is capable of winning up close? Do you think he's stronger, faster, more skilled etc.?

Like I said. I don't know that much about Snake...my understanding is that he's just a bad ass secret agent/SF/assassin who's a bad ass hand to hand/gun smith/stealth guy

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#22 Edited by Old_Blighty (829 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55:

That man is doing the lords work.

@heroup2112:

Oh...um...well. lol didn't know that. Would the "beats all other styles" thing transfer to non-Metal Gear universes?

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#23 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio
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#25 Posted by Red_Ruby_Petal (5854 posts) - - Show Bio

composite feat snake stomps

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#26 Posted by jashro44 (50018 posts) - - Show Bio

What is standard gear for snake exactly? I'm assuming he doesn't have every gun he's ever used?

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#27 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

What is standard gear for snake exactly? I'm assuming he doesn't have every gun he's ever used?

The site usually defaults to MGS4 gear, at least from what I've seen.

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#28 Posted by jashro44 (50018 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55: Snake never really had standard gear in metal gear solid 4 IIRC. Except for that exo-suit he used as a crutch.

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#29 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@lubub55: Snake never really had standard gear in metal gear solid 4 IIRC. Except for that exo-suit he used as a crutch.

I mean people use the gear he has by the end of the game. In MGS you can carry all the weapons you pick up at the same time.

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#30 Posted by jashro44 (50018 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55: Does snake have gear canonically? Realistically I am pretty sure snake would collapse under the weight of all those guns unless he has something similar to deadpools bottomless satchel.

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#31 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@lubub55: Does snake have gear canonically? Realistically I am pretty sure snake would collapse under the weight of all those guns unless he has something similar to deadpools bottomless satchel.

Honestly, everything you can carry in the games isn't actually an absurd amount. In four we can see on his body where all of it goes and it is visibly unholstered every time it's unequipped. He usually starts missions with only basics and has to procure everything on site so that it's easier to sneak him in.

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#32 Posted by jashro44 (50018 posts) - - Show Bio

@lubub55 said:
@jashro44 said:

@lubub55: Does snake have gear canonically? Realistically I am pretty sure snake would collapse under the weight of all those guns unless he has something similar to deadpools bottomless satchel.

Honestly, everything you can carry in the games isn't actually an absurd amount. In four we can see on his body where all of it goes and it is visibly unholstered every time it's unequipped. He usually starts missions with only basics and has to procure everything on site so that it's easier to sneak him in.

This seems pretty absurd to me (personally). I'll wait for the OP to specify the gear. There isn't much use in debating it. But this is why I am asking what gear snake has.

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@heroup2112 said:

I don't know a whole lot about this Snake guy except for a few basic things but unless he's a bad ass sniper with a silencer that's so quiet it only exists in video games I don't see Cap NOT pounding him.

Guys who block bullets for a living still got shot by Snake being Vamp and Olga. The only one capable of making Snake miss was Gray Fox who was in a whole other tier. BTW Snake beat the greatest sniper of all time who was able to enter the regime of superhumans. In fact he beat her in her own game with a disadvantage with him wearing black and Sniper Wolf wearing white in the snow. You are underestimating Snake completely btw. He had his head knocked into a steel wall and it didnt break. It dented the wall in fact. He kicked a missle into another heli and even casually carries railguns at an old age. On top of that fighting gekkos under automatic machine gun fire and pressure that they could detonate. He was also fast enough to dodge Railgun fire a feat that makes him easily hypersonic. On top of that fighting multi tonners hand to hand by pure skill.

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#34 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Ah, miscommunication on my part, sorry. There are the special items that you're stuck with like the Railgun, Solid Eye and things like that, and then you're able to have only a limited amount of other gear and the basic would be an assault rifle and a pistol. He doesn't carry every single pistol or rifle variation with him, he's limited to one.

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#35 Posted by Helloman (20946 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap wins.

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#36 Posted by The_Hajduk (4162 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap bodies him.

Kojima's version of Solid Snake is already a super-world class legendary soldier, already Special Forces as a teenager, and trained in his adulthood by the most secret, clandestine, metahuman black ops organization, where he was mentored by numerous named characters who all have feats, all have their own backgrounds and detailed training, and each of who specialized in a handful of specific fields, so they were all the world's foremost expert on like two or three different things, and all of them passed all of these skills onto Solid Snake in order to make him the foremost expert of every single skill.

Nobody in-universe is better than Solid Snake at anything. It makes no sense but he regularly defeats characters who specialize in fields, at their own specialty. He's a better gunslinger than the cowboy, a better sniper than the inventor of sniping, a stronger hand-to-hand fighter than the literal combination of the world's best ninja and the most powerful cyborg, he can outsmart the series' masterminds, he's somehow better at stealth than people who can just turn invisible... the list goes on.

He's like the Goku of Metal Gear.

Point is that a guy like that, can assuredly give Steve a run for his money on a sheer skill and training basis. I haven't even gone into any detail on David's best skill feats and battles, never mind his blunt will power that is oftentimes, tremendous enough to win battles for him alone, even when he is utterly outclassed in literally every way, even including skill and experience.

But the OP said this is a Composite Solid Snake. That means he's operating with a hyper-amped up anime version of his own elite military skill level, coupled with superhuman Spider-Man level physicals. No, not Captain America level physicals, not even a highballed Captain America level physicals. I mean full-blown Spider-Man level physicals that are just obviously out of Steve's league, NOT TO MENTION the most ridiculously scifi, hokeypokey, overpowered secret agent gear and weapons imaginable.

Backflips over a bullet
Backflips over a bullet
Barely blocks a 100 tonner strike
Barely blocks a 100 tonner strike
Punches generate massive shockwaves
Punches generate massive shockwaves
Superman leap
Superman leap
Twirls through automatic fire at point blank range from a master marksman
Twirls through automatic fire at point blank range from a master marksman
Missile hop
Missile hop
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Gets hit by multiple tank shells and forces himself to get up and shake it off
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Invisibility, infinite ammo, remote controlled missiles, and a handheld tank turret that fires projectiles at hypersonic speeds

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#37 Edited by The_Hajduk (4162 posts) - - Show Bio

@heroup2112 said:

I don't know a whole lot about this Snake guy except for a few basic things but unless he's a bad ass sniper with a silencer that's so quiet it only exists in video games I don't see Cap NOT pounding him.

Solid Snake is the best peak human ever.

He has every skill and trait of Batman, Captain America, and the Punisher wrapped into a single ultimate operator. We're told over and over again throughout the course of the series that Solid Snake is just by far literally the best soldier ever, in a world overrun with metahuman soldiers, some of them being strong mid tiers. Yet Solid Snake can beat them all. I think he's only ever lost one fight in canon.

You mentioned sniping so let's roll with that. Solid Snake actually fought Sniper Wolf, who is the number 1 sniper in the world. She is amazing enough to wait days or even weeks on end for her target to reveal themselves, never straying an inch from the bullseye the whole time, never missing. She severed a thin rope that Solid Snake was using to rappel from the top of a tower, with one bullet, in the middle of a snowstorm. Solid Snake was ambushed by her, and forced to backtrack all the way to near the start of the game in order to procure a sniper rifle, then he returns and engages her in a sniper duel, and he wins and kills her.

And he also has impossible silencers and he also can turn invisible and he also has a radar that can tell him Cap's exact location, distance, equipment, and emotional state without fail at any time.

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#38 Posted by Red_Ruby_Petal (5854 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk: Not to mention he even beat her in a snowy environment wearing black while she wears white. Also most people unbiased and reasonable should know compisite feats Snake does stomp this.

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#39 Edited by blackpantherisb (5837 posts) - - Show Bio

Solid Snake wins.

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#40 Edited by HeroUp2112 (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

@heroup2112 said:

I don't know a whole lot about this Snake guy except for a few basic things but unless he's a bad ass sniper with a silencer that's so quiet it only exists in video games I don't see Cap NOT pounding him.

Guys who block bullets for a living still got shot by Snake being Vamp and Olga. The only one capable of making Snake miss was Gray Fox who was in a whole other tier. BTW Snake beat the greatest sniper of all time who was able to enter the regime of superhumans. In fact he beat her in her own game with a disadvantage with him wearing black and Sniper Wolf wearing white in the snow. You are underestimating Snake completely btw. He had his head knocked into a steel wall and it didnt break. It dented the wall in fact. He kicked a missle into another heli and even casually carries railguns at an old age. On top of that fighting gekkos under automatic machine gun fire and pressure that they could detonate. He was also fast enough to dodge Railgun fire a feat that makes him easily hypersonic. On top of that fighting multi tonners hand to hand by pure skill.

Like I said. I don't know that much about Snake, I was just going off what I DID know. :)

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#41 Posted by HeroUp2112 (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

@heroup2112 said:

I don't know a whole lot about this Snake guy except for a few basic things but unless he's a bad ass sniper with a silencer that's so quiet it only exists in video games I don't see Cap NOT pounding him.

Solid Snake is the best peak human ever.

He has every skill and trait of Batman, Captain America, and the Punisher wrapped into a single ultimate operator. We're told over and over again throughout the course of the series that Solid Snake is just by far literally the best soldier ever, in a world overrun with metahuman soldiers, some of them being strong mid tiers. Yet Solid Snake can beat them all. I think he's only ever lost one fight in canon.

You mentioned sniping so let's roll with that. Solid Snake actually fought Sniper Wolf, who is the number 1 sniper in the world. She is amazing enough to wait days or even weeks on end for her target to reveal themselves, never straying an inch from the bullseye the whole time, never missing. She severed a thin rope that Solid Snake was using to rappel from the top of a tower, with one bullet, in the middle of a snowstorm. Solid Snake was ambushed by her, and forced to backtrack all the way to near the start of the game in order to procure a sniper rifle, then he returns and engages her in a sniper duel, and he wins and kills her.

And he also has impossible silencers and he also can turn invisible and he also has a radar that can tell him Cap's exact location, distance, equipment, and emotional state without fail at any time.

Like I also said to Ruby, I was going off what LITTLE I knew about Snake, which it appears was very little. :)

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#42 Posted by Rac95 (2958 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap is definitely in the top area of street levelers, but Snake, especially composite, is a real beast. He takes it

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#43 Posted by The_Hajduk (4162 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk said:
@heroup2112 said:

I don't know a whole lot about this Snake guy except for a few basic things but unless he's a bad ass sniper with a silencer that's so quiet it only exists in video games I don't see Cap NOT pounding him.

Solid Snake is the best peak human ever.

He has every skill and trait of Batman, Captain America, and the Punisher wrapped into a single ultimate operator. We're told over and over again throughout the course of the series that Solid Snake is just by far literally the best soldier ever, in a world overrun with metahuman soldiers, some of them being strong mid tiers. Yet Solid Snake can beat them all. I think he's only ever lost one fight in canon.

You mentioned sniping so let's roll with that. Solid Snake actually fought Sniper Wolf, who is the number 1 sniper in the world. She is amazing enough to wait days or even weeks on end for her target to reveal themselves, never straying an inch from the bullseye the whole time, never missing. She severed a thin rope that Solid Snake was using to rappel from the top of a tower, with one bullet, in the middle of a snowstorm. Solid Snake was ambushed by her, and forced to backtrack all the way to near the start of the game in order to procure a sniper rifle, then he returns and engages her in a sniper duel, and he wins and kills her.

And he also has impossible silencers and he also can turn invisible and he also has a radar that can tell him Cap's exact location, distance, equipment, and emotional state without fail at any time.

Like I also said to Ruby, I was going off what LITTLE I knew about Snake, which it appears was very little. :)

David is at least a Punisher level marksman, he has many feats of tagging bullet timers and low level speedsters with skillful fire. With that said, do you see Cap closing the distance?

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#44 Posted by AotD (565 posts) - - Show Bio

Snake takes it... without much trouble at all.

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#45 Posted by HeroUp2112 (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

@heroup2112 said:
@the_hajduk said:
@heroup2112 said:

I don't know a whole lot about this Snake guy except for a few basic things but unless he's a bad ass sniper with a silencer that's so quiet it only exists in video games I don't see Cap NOT pounding him.

Solid Snake is the best peak human ever.

He has every skill and trait of Batman, Captain America, and the Punisher wrapped into a single ultimate operator. We're told over and over again throughout the course of the series that Solid Snake is just by far literally the best soldier ever, in a world overrun with metahuman soldiers, some of them being strong mid tiers. Yet Solid Snake can beat them all. I think he's only ever lost one fight in canon.

You mentioned sniping so let's roll with that. Solid Snake actually fought Sniper Wolf, who is the number 1 sniper in the world. She is amazing enough to wait days or even weeks on end for her target to reveal themselves, never straying an inch from the bullseye the whole time, never missing. She severed a thin rope that Solid Snake was using to rappel from the top of a tower, with one bullet, in the middle of a snowstorm. Solid Snake was ambushed by her, and forced to backtrack all the way to near the start of the game in order to procure a sniper rifle, then he returns and engages her in a sniper duel, and he wins and kills her.

And he also has impossible silencers and he also can turn invisible and he also has a radar that can tell him Cap's exact location, distance, equipment, and emotional state without fail at any time.

Like I also said to Ruby, I was going off what LITTLE I knew about Snake, which it appears was very little. :)

David is at least a Punisher level marksman, he has many feats of tagging bullet timers and low level speedsters with skillful fire. With that said, do you see Cap closing the distance?

If he's only a little better than the Punisher, I think the odds of Cap closing with him within 100 feet are really good. I can't say that for SURE of course, but I don't give (David is Snake I assume) overwhelmingly good odds.

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#46 Posted by cooljammy18 (2103 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap in a very difficult fight.

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#47 Posted by AllStarSuperman (42000 posts) - - Show Bio

I’d actually give Snake a slight edge.

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#48 Posted by The_Hajduk (4162 posts) - - Show Bio

If he's only a little better than the Punisher, I think the odds of Cap closing with him within 100 feet are really good. I can't say that for SURE of course, but I don't give (David is Snake I assume) overwhelmingly good odds.

Even if Steve closes the distance, it isn't over. David is a master of a highly specialized close quarters combat system, that was created during the Cold War by the two most legendary war heroes ever (before Solid Snake that is)(one of them was Snake's father) for black ops and espionage missions. There are only a small number of soldiers in all of Metal Gear who have mastered this style, and David overall is probably the number 1 CQC fighter in the franchise.

Even as a sickly, 70 year old man, David still puts nanomachine enhanced super soldiers away like children
Even as a sickly, 70 year old man, David still puts nanomachine enhanced super soldiers away like children
These clones are all physically identical to David, and they have the best military training available
These clones are all physically identical to David, and they have the best military training available
David overwhelms Liquid Ocelot with skill and speed
David overwhelms Liquid Ocelot with skill and speed

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#49 Posted by lubub55 (12719 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_hajduk: For the Genome soldiers, they're enhanced with Big Boss' dominant genes as opposed to the recessive ones Snake has, and their training is VR.

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#50 Edited by HeroUp2112 (17057 posts) - - Show Bio

@heroup2112 said:

If he's only a little better than the Punisher, I think the odds of Cap closing with him within 100 feet are really good. I can't say that for SURE of course, but I don't give (David is Snake I assume) overwhelmingly good odds.

Even if Steve closes the distance, it isn't over. David is a master of a highly specialized close quarters combat system, that was created during the Cold War by the two most legendary war heroes ever (before Solid Snake that is)(one of them was Snake's father) for black ops and espionage missions. There are only a small number of soldiers in all of Metal Gear who have mastered this style, and David overall is probably the number 1 CQC fighter in the franchise.

Even as a sickly, 70 year old man, David still puts nanomachine enhanced super soldiers away like children
Even as a sickly, 70 year old man, David still puts nanomachine enhanced super soldiers away like children
These clones are all physically identical to David, and they have the best military training available
These clones are all physically identical to David, and they have the best military training available
David overwhelms Liquid Ocelot with skill and speed
David overwhelms Liquid Ocelot with skill and speed

I've heard of this, but there's a super secret martial arts form that is stupendously effective, then there's using it to face Captain America...and then there's the shield as well.