Doctor Fate (DCEU) vs Hela (MCU)

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#1  Edited By Octavius220

On Asgard, Both have a day in prep

All DCEU/MCU feats are permitted for both

In Character but determined to win

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Fate is not really a fighter more of a distraction guy Hela eventually

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#4  Edited By CryoLancer47  Online

Fate blitzes & does this:

Fate used an attack on Adam/Sabbac, that had them both seething/groaning in pain, and drop to one knee:

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If even someone as durable as Adam or Sabbac were in pain. Just imagine what will happen to Hela's body.

And unless there's proof she can regen from decapitation/being torn in half by 5 Clones of a dude who can hold BA in place for a while. Then she loses this quickly.

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@cryolancer47: Adam wouldnt even scratch Iron Man. So have him groan isnt impressive here ag all.

Hela destroyed Thor, who would obliterate Adam from Phase 1

Hela murks this

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@cryolancer47: Adam wouldnt even scratch Iron Man. So have him groan isnt impressive here ag all.

Hela destroyed Thor, who would obliterate Adam from Phase 1

Hela murks this

Adam bodies phase 1 Thor. Stop the cap

OT: Stalemate. Kent can dance around Hela indefinitely with his vast arsenal of spells, but he didn't show any spell that can truly end her. And it should go with out saying but Hela is physically superior to either Teth and Sabbac

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@byondeon said:

@cryolancer47: Adam wouldnt even scratch Iron Man. So have him groan isnt impressive here ag all.

Hela destroyed Thor, who would obliterate Adam from Phase 1

Hela murks this

Adam bodies phase 1 Thor. Stop the cap

OT: Stalemate. Kent can dance around Hela indefinitely with his vast arsenal of spells, but he didn't show any spell that can truly end her. And it should go worth out saying but his physical superior to Teth and Sabbac

No, he literally wouldn't. There really isn't anything he did that would indicate he would.

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Fate can't do anything to Hela. Hela stomp this in a massive stomp

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Fate is pretty op, he can take this.

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@byondeon: Please pray tell how phase 1 Thor is supposed tag Adam, let alone tank his casually town level Shazam bolt

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Fate in a tough fight

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Fate blitzes & does this:

Fate uses an attack on Adam, that had him seething/groaning in pain, and drop to one knee:

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If even someone as durable as Adam was in pain. Just imagine what will happen to her body.

And unless there's proof she can regen from decapitation/being torn in half by 5 Clones of a dude who can hold BA in place for a while. Then she loses this quickly.

Fate is pretty op, he can take this.

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@byondeon: Please pray tell how phase 1 Thor is supposed tag Adam, let alone tank his casually town level Shazam bolt

By being faster than Adam. And Thor would one-shot Adam in Phase one levels.

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Fate blitzes & does this:

Who did fate blitz the entire movie? name 1 person.

Fate used an attack on Adam/Sabbac, that had them both seething/groaning in pain, and drop to one knee:

It's a binding attack, it doesn't do damage. Them groaning is because they were trying to break out of it.

If even someone as durable as Adam or Sabbac were in pain.

Adam got damaged by a magic rpg with "no feats" sabbac got stabbed by a random metal pipe...

Just imagine what will happen to Hela's body.

She negs.

And unless there's proof she can regen from decapitation/being torn in half by 5 Clones of a dude who can hold BA in place for a while. Then she loses this quickly.

What in the world is this logic???

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@byondeon said:
@killianduclark said:

@byondeon: Please pray tell how phase 1 Thor is supposed tag Adam, let alone tank his casually town level Shazam bolt

By being faster than Adam.

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Really, Slowdinson is faster than Adam? Okay prove it.

And Thor would one-shot Adam in Phase one levels.

You mean like he oneshot Iron Man. Or the leviathans etc?

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Fate beats her ass then sends her to another dimension just like Odin did

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@killianduclark:

Phase 1 Thor was slapping bullet speed projectiles out of the air with his hammer which eliminates any 'statue' argument from BA

He also has the Jotunheim feat which is better than BA's

He vaporized 2 leviathans with one lightning shot, a single one was collapsing skyscrapers without slowing down

His durability was also immense,. He tanked the explosion caused by his clash with the destroyer, he tanked the explosion of the bifrost, he also shrugged off an enraged hulk's punches, which oneshotted a leviathan

His AP, strength and durability seem to be higher, he's slower, but nowhere near slow enough that he can't react

Add this to BA's vulnerability to magic, and phase 1 Thor has the edge imho

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@jaakor said:

@killianduclark:

Phase 1 Thor was slapping bullet speed projectiles out of the air with his hammer which eliminates any 'statue' argument from BA

Prove the chitauri blaster bolts were bullet speed. And better yet prove how bullet timing now puts you in the same league as lightning timers, who Black Adam slow mo's. By your logic Hawkeye doesn't get statued by Teth.

He also has the Jotunheim feat which is better than BA's

Even with rajjar level Thor wank the feat is around town to mountain level. Same as most of black Adams feat.

He vaporized 2 leviathans with one lightning shot, a single one was collapsing skyscrapers without slowing down

What are you referring to? I was referring to this scene

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Even after a shitton of wind up, the blast only pushed back the leviathan.

His durability was also immense,. He tanked the explosion caused by his clash with the destroyer,

Massively inferior to anyone of Black Adam's Shazam calls

he tanked the explosion of the bifrost,

Cool, so about on par with he artic ocean Shazam bolt.

he also shrugged off an enraged hulk's punches, which oneshotted a leviathan

And Teth survived a beat down from Sabbac who could oneshot the "indestructible" Nth metal scout ship.

His AP, strength and durability seem to be higher,

You have yet to actually prove any of that imo.

He's slower,

Understatement of the century. He's a statue to Teth.

But nowhere near slow enough that he can't react

Adam > his own lightning > dubious "bullet speed" chitauri blast > Thor.

Add this to BA's vulnerability to magic,

Fate has god level magical power

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And Adam still bested him

And even if Thor should some how tag Adam and hurt him, Adam still has a healing factor to fall back on.

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@byondeon said:
@killianduclark said:

@byondeon: Please pray tell how phase 1 Thor is supposed tag Adam, let alone tank his casually town level Shazam bolt

By being faster than Adam.

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Really, Slowdinson is faster than Adam? Okay prove it.

And Thor would one-shot Adam in Phase one levels.

You mean like he oneshot Iron Man. Or the leviathans etc?

His fight Malekith is superior to anything Adam have done in the speed department.

Thor's fight with Malekith puts him above Adam.

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@jaakor said:

@killianduclark:

He also has the Jotunheim feat which is better than BA's

This feat, he literally shook the planet they were fighting on. I wouldn't say it's a full on planet level feat, but he literally shook the planet, so it's still FAR superior to any DCEU feat.

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Fate beats her ass then sends her to another dimension just like Odin did

Fate get's his ass beat in a second. Then she calls Wanda to take away his powers.

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I think fate could take this tbh. Very high diff tho.

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#28  Edited By KillianDuclark

@byondeon: You mean the Malekith fight that takes place in phase 2 not phase 1?

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@byondeon: nice headcanon but hela's fighting someone actually competent and with versatility so she loses badly here.

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I think the fight would go basically the same way with Sabbac. Fate can initially overwhelm but he can't put Hela down and eventually Fate will wear out.

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Fate actually has decent counter to Hela, Fate has shields/tp/teleportation/dopplegangers/illusions/incap spell and physicals to rival her.

I'd say he wins, only way Hela wins is if Fate decides to use his physicals only and nothing else.

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@advent_: His shields haven't faced anything on par with Hela with any significant effect, teleportation is good but they imply it's only over short distances, doppelgangers aren't much Hela excels at fighting groups, and his physicals are significantly weaker than hers.

I feel he doesn't really have a way to take her down. She should be able to break his constructs he can dodge around with teleportation and hide behind clones but it'll just delay the fight.

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@killianduclark:

We saw the blasts side by side with bullets in AOU, they are bullet speed

Even assuming that feat only caps at mountain level (in your scan, in most of the numerous calcs, it went up to island/large Island level), that would put a casual Thor on the level of BAs best feat, only his Shazam call has been calced at mountain. Majority of BAs attacks are, honestly not worth looking at in comparison. Add to the fact that third can instantly call down that lighting whereas BA has to actually say Shazam, and Thor still gets the advantage on a quick draw even if their AP is the same

Vaporize was the wrong word, i apologize, but yes, he destroyed 2 of them, they are clearly exploding

What's the best thing nth metal has tanked? Lol

There was no Lightning timer in that movie. ANYONE who watched that movies can see it. Reacting to BA's generated lightning is like reacting to a bullet, if not less, that's how slow they made it. Even normal people were tracking and firing at him in the middle of his own slow mo scene

Calling someone god level is meaningless more does it display a certain tier. It's entirely relative to the people he's compared to. From his feats on the movie, if that's what god level is, then pahse 1 Thor wood be primordial level. Dr Fate's only impressive things were his restraining and defensive constructs, and even those were only impressive compared to the JSA. Comparing fate and Thor's attacks in AP is ridiculous

Now assuming their AP is similar for Adam's sake, Thor's attacks being magical already makes it worse for BA

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@killianduclark: Sure.

Still shook a planet, reacted to actual lightspeed projectiles in Phase 1.

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Fate couldn't beat BA so no chance in hell against an upgrade in Hela...

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@jaakor said:

@killianduclark:

We saw the blasts side by side with bullets in AOU, they are bullet speed

When? You shouldn't even be citing events that take place in phase 2, since your entire premise is that phase 1 Thor beats Teth, but whatever I'll allow it. Post the exact scene were chitauri blasters are depicted as bullet speed. Regardless bullet timing is not enough to get statued. Like I already said, if bullet timing is all that one needs, Hawkeye can't get statued.

Even assuming that feat only caps at mountain level (in your scan, in most of the numerous calcs, it went up to island/large Island level),

They literally say the mountain and island level conclusion are highballs. Their first estimation is town level making it the more fair assumption.

that would put a casual Thor on the level of BAs best feat,

A feat which was also done casually by Adam, so what's your point?

only his Shazam call has been calced at mountain.

Yh, that's the baseline value for feat, no highballing needed

Majority of BAs attacks are, honestly not worth looking at

He said, like Thor's every strike was town level.

Add to the fact that third can instantly call down that lighting whereas BA has to actually say Shazam and Thor still gets the advantage on a quick draw even if their AP is the same

I literally posted a scan in which it took Thor several seconds to build up electrical power and that only ended up pushing back leviathans. And just with common sense alone the faster character (Adam) would obviously have the faster attack speed.

What's the best thing nth metal has tanked? Lol

Hawk Man's wings are made from Nth metal and they allowed him to tank the mine explosion. So above town+

There was no Lightning timer in that movie. ANYONE who watched that movies can see it. Reacting to BA's generated lightning is like reacting to a bullet, if not less, that's how slow they made it.Even normal people were tracking and firing at him in the middle of his own slow mo scene

Inconsistent cinematic time, does not negate intent. The bolts are called lightning and behave like lightning. Not to mention Adam doesn't need lightning timing to prove his faster than Thor. His flight from Khandaq to China puts him at mach 1900. That's over 5x faster than mach 300 lightning.

Calling someone god level is meaningless more does it display a certain tier.

It shows intent, that being Fate is god tier magic user in his universe.

It's entirely relative to the people he's compared to.

No it's relative to all characters in his verse that the statement can be applicable too. That includes Maxwell Lord and Sabbac all of whom are better magic users than Thor.

From his feats on the movie, if that's what god level is, then pahse 1 Thor wood be primordial level.

What feat? The only Magic Thor uses is too call down lightning. Meanwhile, Fate scales to magic users like Sabbac who was going to make hell on earth and could resurrect the dead.

Fate's only impressive things were his restraining and defensive constructs, and even those were only impressive compared to the JSA. Comparing fate and Thor's attacks in AP is ridiculous

Except I wasn't comparing AP. I was comparing magical power. It's ridiculous that you willful try to act like Thor is superior magic user to Dr fate.

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@jaakor said:

@killianduclark:

We saw the blasts side by side with bullets in AOU, they are bullet speed

When? You shouldn't even be citing events that take place in phase 2, since your entire premise is that phase 1 Thor beats Teth, but whatever I'll allow it. Post the exact scene were chitauri blasters are depicted as bullet speed. Regardless bullet timing is not enough to get statued. Like I already said, if bullet timing is all that one needs, Hawkeye can't get statued.

Even assuming that feat only caps at mountain level (in your scan, in most of the numerous calcs, it went up to island/large Island level),

They literally say the mountain and island level conclusion are highballs. Their first estimation is town level making it the more fair assumption.

that would put a casual Thor on the level of BAs best feat,

A feat which was also done casually by Adam, so what's your point?

only his Shazam call has been calced at mountain.

Yh, that's the baseline value for feat, no highballing needed

Majority of BAs attacks are, honestly not worth looking at

He said, like Thor's every strike was town level.

Add to the fact that third can instantly call down that lighting whereas BA has to actually say Shazam and Thor still gets the advantage on a quick draw even if their AP is the same

I literally posted a scan in which it took Thor several seconds to build up electrical power and that only ended up pushing back leviathans. And just with common sense alone the faster character (Adam) would obviously have the faster attack speed.

What's the best thing nth metal has tanked? Lol

Hawk Man's wings are made from Nth metal and they allowed him to tank the mine explosion. So above town+

There was no Lightning timer in that movie. ANYONE who watched that movies can see it. Reacting to BA's generated lightning is like reacting to a bullet, if not less, that's how slow they made it.Even normal people were tracking and firing at him in the middle of his own slow mo scene

Inconsistent cinematic time, does not negate intent. The bolts are called lightning and behave like lightning. Not to mention Adam doesn't need lightning timing to prove his faster than Thor. His flight from Khandaq to China puts him at mach 1900. That's over 5x faster than mach 300 lightning.

Calling someone god level is meaningless more does it display a certain tier.

It shows intent, that being Fate is god tier magic user in his universe.

It's entirely relative to the people he's compared to.

No it's relative to all characters in his verse that the statement can be applicable too. That includes Maxwell Lord and Sabbac all of whom are better magic users than Thor.

From his feats on the movie, if that's what god level is, then pahse 1 Thor wood be primordial level.

What feat? The only Magic Thor uses is too call down lightning. Meanwhile, Fate scales to magic users like Sabbac who was going to make hell on earth and could resurrect the dead.

Fate's only impressive things were his restraining and defensive constructs, and even those were only impressive compared to the JSA. Comparing fate and Thor's attacks in AP is ridiculous

Except I wasn't comparing AP. I was comparing magical power. It's ridiculous that you willful try to act like Thor is superior magic user to Dr fate.

1) Phase 1 Thor blocked them, AoU was simply showing how fast they lived in relation to bullets. Here's the comparison. But even ignoring that, we saw this easily tag iron man, who has a supersonic reaction feat in iron man 1, or how he danced around hulk, who scaled to abom who's Many times faster than an rpg and Caused a sonic boom just tackling the hulk that wrecked some street signs, both supersonic feats. Not to mention the fact that iron man couldn't react to his Mjonir fling but could react to supersonic tank missiles. So yes, bullet timing, at the very least .

2) I see you didn't bother going through your own link, there were 4 different calculation methods, only one gave a lowball end of town, several gave calcs from mountain to island, with mountain being the officially accepted one as per the calcs, which lines up with the mountain tier it's being agreed on here. Oh yes, BA's Shazam call, despite being almost useless as it asks at BA, is basically small city now with the initial wanked calc gone, making their AP gap utterly dimensions apart now. Black Adam's literally went ballistic for the mine explosion, nothing casual about it, and that, for now, is sees as town level at best.

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3) Thor's casual Jotunheim bolt aside, his casual stomping of the destroyer gave a town level explosion as the aftermath which he no sold, he took iron man's core to 475% in 4 secs, his core had a power of about 10gigawatts,which amount to 2kt of TNT force per second, that's town level per second and this Thor was affected by the dark matter. Thor wasn't charging up because of the leviathans, they hadn't even come out yet when he fired it, he fired at the portal itself, killing anything that came through, you can clearly see that he fired at the portal entrance itself from your own video at 0.24. and it did kill them, you can clearly see them being blasted back and exploding alongside everything else, so that point is moot.

4) lmao, inconsistent? If anything, their speed levels were very consistent. Yhrbfavr that we saw people still shooting at him and accurately firing at him with tank shells, tosses out the lighting speed bs. His lightning speed was utterly consistent throughout the movie, both in his slow mo scene and the line explosion scene. His lightning is utterly slow af, it literally moved slower than he did when humans were tracking and shooting at him. You're trying to use travel speed to match their combat speed here? Mjonir has gone from space to the ground in like 3 seconds, captain marvel can fly to another galaxy and back on a week. Scale travel speed to combat speed is worthless. I mean are you actually trying to imply BA has mach 1900+ combat speed? Cuz that would be hilarious.

5) oh that's cute, so Sabbac is currently town level, a level that Thor no sells in Thor 1?, So basically you're saying BA has no answer to attacks hitting city-mountain level then?

5) Are you actually trying to scale versatility with Magic AP here? 'the only magic their has is calling down lightning?' what exactly did BA do? LMAO. and FYI their controls wind and storms, his storms have been calced as City level (first calc alone, that's phase 1). Sorry bud, magical power is basically the same as AP when using magic, having more abilities doesn't translate to bring more powerful of those abilities have shitty AP.

6) We are derailing this thread with this, this'll be my last post on it

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#41  Edited By ADVENT_

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Hela honestly

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Clone spam + constructs +illusions + energy blasts + chains? Fate wins

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Only issue I see Fate having is his output, he's got almost every other advantage though.

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@violetkyoshin: really?

Speed ; she lightning timed against their, Fate is at best a bullet timer

Durability? Lmao

Physical strength? Crushed Mjonir wotu her fingers

Only advantage fate has is versatility, which means nothing here

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#46  Edited By VioletKyoshin

@jaakor: Fate kept up with both Black Adam and Sabbac who are much faster fighters and have much faster reactions than Hela. Also, Hela never lightning timed.

And I said "almost every advantage", she's stronger and more durable but because Fate is much more versatile with clones, illusions, and teleportation, her strength doesn't actually mean much. Her durability does though because as I said before he doesn't seem to have anything to end the fight.

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@jaakor: Fate kept up with both Black Adam and Sabbac who are much faster fighters and have much faster reactions than Hela. Also, Hela never lightning timed.

Still hung up on trailer hype? Sorry bud, BA is just faster then bullets, even normal humans were aiming at firing at him in how own slow mo scene. Oh, yes, She did

And I said "almost every advantage", she's stronger and more durable but because Fate is much more versatile with clones, illusions, and teleportation, her strength doesn't actually mean much. Her durability does though because as I said before he doesn't seem to have anything to end the fight.

Clones that were stomped by guys with vastly lower AP than her? Not to mention her ability to spam AOE attacks with her blade, illusions? Only delays the inevitable. Teleportation? Sure he can run away.

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LMAO Hela WRECKS SPITE. shed take the whole JSA let alone Fate. The Thor she ragdolled would beat BA who beat JSA. Lol lock this

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@jaakor: Uh no I actually saw the movie, and you say "just faster than bullets" as if a guy "as fast as a bullet" didn't make Thor look like a snail. Besides, Adam was casually levitating through the battlefield and still was moving much faster than the explosions, bullets, and missiles going off in the background, he flew straight through the bullets in his path knowing they couldn't hurt him. And if Hela getting hit by lightning is considered lightning timing then Fate not just intercepting but catching and redirecting/absorbing Adam's lightning is just plain superior.

I wouldn't say vastly lower AP, because we've seen Adam turn huge fortresses into rubble with his power and Sabbac is on a similar level, not only that but they both were able to actually reach Fate, Hela can't fly and would have to rely on her blades/spikes that Fate can easily avoid, especially with force fields, teleportation, and illusions in his pocket. Even her "AOE" is inferior compared to Adam or Sabbac as she just would fire more blades that Fate can simply redirect or outright dodge. Sure he'd be "running away" but she'd just be swinging and hitting nothing but air.

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