Do people seriously think sage mode naruto could take on pain?

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Poll Do people seriously think sage mode naruto could take on pain? (41 votes)

Yes 27%
No 73%

Naruto with no mt myoboku shadow clones prep.

With his only summon instead of the other 2/3 frogs.

No great sage frogs help

No hinata interference

No minato interference

6 paths of pain fully healthy

Do people still think naruto would even stand a chance?? Or would he be even more stomped on than jiraya was?

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#1  Edited By DrunkHC

Naruto SM is not much stronger than Hebi Sasuke and is inferior to Sasuke MS(Danzo fight)

SM Naruto and SM Jiraiya don't stand a chance against full Pain formation they can beat some Pains but the full formation destroys them completely in fact Tendo alone can beat them simultaneously

Chibaku tensei GG

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No. Without full intel and taking on a Pain at full power, SM Naruto doesn't stand much of a chance. Also lets not forget that Pain needed to keep his murdering attempts on the side since he needed him alive to extract the Kyuubi.

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No way. Naruto only killed the chakra-absorption path, because he was held down to have the biju extracted, if Jiraiya had gotten in that situation he would have just gotten stabbed to death, plus of course Pain had battled and destroyed the whole village before.

Looking back at it Jiraiya did pretty well, nigh-instantly incapacitating Konan and the loss of his arm which basically sealed his fate was almost entirely due to having less intel and in a worse environment, even Pain afterwards acknowledges that with intel Jiraiya could have been a serious threat. (although I don't think he would win either)

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Naruto gets crushed by a mini moon.

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the show pretty much showed that without kurama, naruto would have lost against pain

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#6  Edited By Gokukid2005

Naruto is physically stronger than any of them and is capable of killing most them in 1 punch and only the deva path would be able to actually contend

He wouldn't win but he would do way better than Jiraya

And also Naruto is stronger than MS Sasuke not to mention Hebi Sassuke

A single leap brought him above he clouds
A single leap brought him above he clouds
One shot a Pain with a punch
One shot a Pain with a punch

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Naruto had so many factors in his favor. There's no way that version of him would have defeated Pain under completely equal circumstances.

You already mentioned some aid in the OP but there's also Katsuyu's, Kakashi's, and Jiraiya's intel, Pain not fighting to kill (so he can draw out the Nine-Tails), Pain (like you said) already being weakened from using a ton of his power (especially from the huge Shinra Tensei) but also because he was just the 6 Paths of Pain and not Nagato, etc.

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If this was war arc Naruto i would say yes

But pain arc is a no

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A lot of good comments on this already. The setup for Naruto to perform was massive, but he still sort of fell short. There is obviously arguments for him performing better with the right intel, but without all the assistance and planning, there would be little to no chance of pulling it off.

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If CT is restricted and Naruto has unlimited SM he has a shot.

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  • With Intel Naruto still Lost.
  • With Toads Help Naruto still Lost.
  • With Sage Clones Prep Naruto still Lost.
  • With Konoha wearing Down Nagato, Naruto still Lost.
  • Kurama almost taking over proves that Naruto Lost both Physically & Mentally.
  • Pre & Post Orochimaru Absorption Sasuke can Kill Any/All form of Naruto before KCM. (Naruto = Physically Stronger & Not More Powerful in a Fight.
  • Contrarily to the popular Misconception, MS Sasuke is Overkill.
  • All Facts.
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#12  Edited By sobekapep7

No way in hell.

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Considering he

-Had intel and prep (clones)

-Help from summons

-Pain was weakened and couldn't use Deva Path atm (and proceeded to curb Naruto just after regaining its power)

-Pain was holding back as he needed him alive

Yet he still would've lost without the Kyubi's help makes me think he's no match

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Naruto could easily set up sage clones somewhere the problem comes with does he get knowledge? Also why on earth are summons restricted? That's litterally a MASSIVE part of SM, that's like Tsunade or Sakuras seal without Katsuyu.

The only thing capable of beating Naruto would be CT, and if he had knowledge on it he'd Rasenshuriken it before it even fully formed thus preventing it. Let's not pretend like Naruto wasnt distracted, Pa got killed infront of him, Naruto was litterally stomping up until pain took advantage of that cheapshot:

Had not Pa been there he could've stalled him in base like he did at the end of the fight and close the distance at the last second to end him, that's litterally the only reason Pain managed to catch him. Ontop of the fact he intentionally let his senjutsu get drained

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Some people obviously do (despite the fact that he lost while having the fight rigged heavily in his favour). Why? I have no idea.

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Having no prep shadow clones means he only has 5 minutes to win and it also means he can make as many clones as he likes.

Naruto can make 6 (or more) clones and have them fight the paths and he (the original) takes on the one that absorbs ninjutsu after one of shadow clones gets absorbed. Five of them get one-shot inside a minute and the Deva path is the last one standing.

Naruto and the deva path can one-shot each other. So, it’s 50/50 depending on Pain deciding to one-shot or Naruto using his speed to beat the 5-second interval. It can go either way if Naruto plays cards right.

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#18 LucasCosta  Online

Current Naruto, with intel could.

Pain arc Naruto would be crushed in this scenario.

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If you are reffering to the Naruto from the Pain Arc, no, he definitely could have not beat him alone just with sage mode, he had all the possible advantages during their fight and still it was almost not enough:

1 - Konan noticed just before the fight that when Naraka resurrected the Pain bodies they were overcompensating and recovering way slower than before, which suggest some hinderance to some level, a moment before she also mentioned how Nagato have been wasting so much energy in fighting Konoha and in his last attack that he probably made his life shorter.

2 - Deva Path at first was drained and without function for a considerable long time for using his massive Shinra Tensei to destroy Konoha, so he couldn'taid his other bodies with his powers and in fact they had to check on him.

3 - Shima was the one who summoned everyone, Fukasaku, Gamabunta, Gamahiro, Gamaken, Gamakichi and Naruto himself, If at that point Naruto had to do all of that alone he would have wasted a lot of chakra which surely would have affected his performance during the fight, that even counting If he could have done that in the first place, even with sage mode, I dunno If he could have summoned more than Gamabunta and other of the Toad bosses being very generous, Fukasaku and Shima by themselves took an awful a lot of effort and time just for someone like Jiraiya (Naruto at this point had now a better control due sage mode and more chakra but still they were a lot of toads and Naruto was reserving energies for the Rasen Shurikens) and Minato could only summon Gamabunta at the time.

4 - Between the intel recolected by Jiraiya that Fukasaku taugh him and the one that later Katsukyu gave him, Naruto had a lot of information of the techniques and secrets of Pain while Nagato had none of Naruto.

5 - Naruto left two shadow-clones at the Mount Myoboku with sage mode because once they were summoned he would recover his energy and sage mode once lost, despite that this was his own idea Naruto only took to meassure because of the intel he had of Pain at that time knowing that he would need more than one sage mode to defeat him and Fukasaku was the one who summoned the first clone while Gamabunta distracted several of the Pain since restricted Deva was about to stab Naruto, so we know that If he had been alone Naruto maybe would have not take that preparation and even If he did it would have been very hard for him to summon his clone alone having all Pain attacking him simultaneously

6 - A lot of the successful kills and countermoves of Naruto during the fight involved direct actively partcipiation of the five toads, the three giant bosses and the two great sages toads, it was never remotely close of a 1v6 and again, Is hard to believe that Naruto could have summon more than one or two by himself without the chakra of Kurama which he could not control at that time without falling into the control of the fox.

7 - There are even those who claims that the first kill of Naruto against the Asura Path was thanks to Pain being distracted and facing with Tsunade and he was catch off guard, which has a little bit of truth and not means that Naruto would have not kill him later but it would have been one more problem to face off later if Pain and Naruto were facing in neutral ground.

8 - Despite all the advantages, Sage Naruto still was defeated and the toads stomped once Deva recovered his power and he got saved by Hinata, mind that in a neutral scenario like the thread suggest Naruto not just he would not have the help he had here but he would have faced this Pain from the start.

9 - Once Hinata got easily dispatched, Naruto is saved once more this time by the Kyubi who fought Pain and still Nagato managed to dominate the sixth tails and even had the eight tails struggling inside his moon, Kurama then almost took all control of Naruto so in each scenario he was fucked.

10 - Naruto is saved a third time by Minato nonetheless, and when Naruto came back he is fully healed and in Sage Mode when Deva stands extremely deteriorated and Nagato was few steps of death.

With all in consideration above (I had my doubts with point 7 but I bring it to take into consideration) how a Sage Naruto with no previous intel, only one summon, no the shadow clone prep on Myobuko and any exterior partcipation would stand against the Sixth Path of Pain fighting at the same time while being at 100%? He would get crushed, either Naruto resorts of Kurama and repeats all the previous seen game except that Minato would not be there and he would get consumed, or Naruto attempts to use the strategy of Jiraiya and fighting while he constantly retreats or plays hide and seek with them, but the scenario not plays in his favours and the elder toads would not be with him, not to mention that Pain would not fall for that again and he would unleash everything he has, he is also smart, so even Naruto would have to use all his strategy with the risk of being outsmarted by Pain, but seeing how it went still with all that help he would get stomped.