Dio Brando vs Ken Kaneki

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#1  Edited By KillerQueen

Dio Brando ~ The Vampire

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Ken Kaneki ~ The Ghoul

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DIO has feats out of Phantom Blood but can still scale to Stardust Crusaders, Diamond Is Unbreakable, and so on when reasonable. Ken has feats out of the original Tokyo Ghoul manga (because that's all I've read unfortunately). Both characters will be at their best and fighting seriously. Win conditions include death, knockout, and incapacitation. It'll be set in the location displayed below:

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My memory is vague on Kaneki but I do believe Dio will just freeze and smash him

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@cbarlion:

My memory is vague on Kaneki but I do believe Dio will just freeze and smash him

Kaneki is equal to DIO in speed and has decent regeneration (being able to regenerate huge holes in his torso and more than twice his own body mass in kagune). DIO might be stronger, but Kaneki is a skilled martial artist and his kagune can be pretty versatile.

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@killerqueen: all clashes between them would lead to him being frozen though

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@cbarlion: It's not a fair fight at all lol. Even if they had comparable physicals (Dio should be stronger based off of both feats and scaling). Kaneki has no counter to freezing.

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@cbarlion: Kaneki fights with his kagune more than his fists, so he could regenerate whatever is shattered and escape before he's frozen completely considering the two are relatively close in speed.

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@mee09: Yeah, that's not true at all.

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#9  Edited By Mee09

@killerqueen: It's very true. Dio has minions with better physicals than Kaneki.

Also Dio doesn't have to break the ice. He can just freeze him and leave. Assuming he has the same abilities outside of Stand related stuff in Part 3. He could also use the Parasite on Kaneki as well.

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@kingcrimson: You commented on the other Tokyo Ghoul threads that I made, right? Care to chime in?

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@killerqueen: let's say the are both equal in strength and speed, with kaneki having better regen and dio having better hax via freezing; what is Kaneki's stamina looking like? Because if dio can tire him out then its gg

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#12  Edited By KillerQueen

@mee09:

Dio has minions with better physicals than Kaneki

Like who? Tarkus is the strongest of his minions and he at best equals a weakened Kaneki.

Also Dio doesn't have to break the ice. He can just freeze him and leave

DIO isn't so fast that he could flash freeze Kaneki and call it a day.

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@cbarlion:

what is Kaneki's stamina looking like?

Ghouls can survive on one human a month and Kaneki had been eating a lot more in a week alone, so I would assume that his stamina is rather impressive because of that.

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#14  Edited By Mee09

@killerqueen: Show one physical Post Cochlea Kaneki strength feat that Tarkus cannot possibly replicate. Keep in mind Tarkus lifted a 1000+ ton Boulder with 1 finger.

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#16  Edited By KillerQueen

@mee09:

Show one physical Post Cochlea Kaneki strength feat that Tarkus cannot possibly replicate

Kaneki slammed Touka's brother through several floors of concrete without his kagune (which boosts physical stats) and after being tortured, starved, and raped for ten whole days:

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I don't think that Tarkus could replicate that under the same conditions and Kaneki became even stronger after that with the whole kakuja transformation.

Keem in mind Tarkus lifted a 1000+ ton Boulder with 1 finger

Tarkus has nothing in striking aside from the cliff feat, which is about as good as what Kaneki did considering that he didn't bust anything (all he did was create a crack that destabilized the cliff).

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@killerqueen: That's not anything out of Tarkus league or that he cannot replicate so my point still stands. You would have a hard time arguing Post Cochlea Kaneki can physically outmatch Tarkus. Dio is much stronger and faster than him.

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@mee09:

That's not anything out of Tarkus league or that he cannot replicate so my point still stands

Your point doesn't stand, as denial isn't an argument.

You would have a hard time arguing Post Cochlea Kaneki can physically outmatch Tarkus.

I wouldn't.

Dio is much stronger and faster than him

Yeah, of course he is, but to an undefinable degree.

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#19  Edited By Mee09

@killerqueen: It does stand. Especially considering you are the only one arguing opposite in your own thread.

If your argument is that Post Cochlea Kaneki is building level and Tarkus isn't. You are wrong. As the calcs for his cliff feat alone have proven. I can give you them if you want but that's not necessary. You've also yet to give me a feat of Kaneki doing anything causally that requires 1000+ ton strength. Which Tarkus can do with a single finger.

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I completely forgot about the tarkus feat. I'm not seeing kaneki being able to fully counter the freezing in time as I'm sure he'd punder what's happening to him. Dio should win more often than not.. probably 7/10

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@mee09:

It does stand

More denial, but no substance.

Especially considering you are the only one arguing opposite in your own thread

I have defended the validity of my thread, nothing more and nothing less.

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#22  Edited By Mee09

@killerqueen: Sure buddy. In your world (pun only partially intended) Tarkus clearly can't knock someone through 3 concrete walls

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@mee09:

Tarkus clearly can't knock someone through 3 concrete walls

Tarkus can't do that, not while nerfed to high heaven and overcoming the durability of a ghoul.

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I sure do love when people edit their posts after a debate has concluded. Real nice.

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@kingcrimson: You commented on the other Tokyo Ghoul threads that I made, right? Care to chime in?

That I did mate. I know a fair bit about TG, but unfortunately not a whole lot about JJBA.

That said, I did watch Phantom Blood, and Dio was impressive -- the freezing especially is a bitch to deal with.

Dio is likely stronger than this version of Kaneki by scaling to Tarkus (the series didn't really get its crazy strength feats until part 2), but Kaneki is strong enough to hang, and I'd say Ken is significantly faster if he's going all out in his Kakuja.

Like you mentioned, Kaneki fighting with his kagune should serve to circumvent the freezing to an extent. Any part of it that gets frozen can just be dissolved and re-created fairly easily. Ken is a smart fighter, and so once he realises that touching Dio can mean being frozen, I think he'll avoid the close range game.

With all that said, I'm not sure how Ken would permanently put Dio down; his regeneration is more reminiscent of the healing that appeared in TG:re, and likely outside of this version of Ken's capacity to handle, realistically speaking.

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Time stop, freeze, stand rush gg

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This plus 1000+ ton strength should be enough to beat this Kaneki easily

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Duo blitz & combo shots.

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@void_reborn:

Time stop, freeze, stand rush gg

I love it when people don't read the rules.

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@void_reborn:

Time stop, freeze, stand rush gg

I love it when people don't read the rules.

You said Dio has feats out of Phantom Blood and that he can scale to Stardust Crusaders and after. What exactly are you talking about when you say scale? You also claim both characters will be at their best. Wouldn't this mean Dio has his stand abilities?

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@kingcrimson:

With all that said, I'm not sure how Ken would permanently put Dio down; his regeneration is more reminiscent of the healing that appeared in TG:re, and likely outside of this version of Ken's capacity to handle, realistically speaking

DIO can't even regenerate entire limbs based on what we saw, though, so how is it too much?

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@void_reborn:

You said Dio has feats out of Phantom Blood and that he can scale to Stardust Crusaders and after

Yeah, which doesn't mean that he has a Stand.

What exactly are you talking about when you say scale?

Phantom Blood DIO scales to characters that show up later. Jotaru and Josuke shouldn't be faster than this version of the character, so he can scale off of their speed feats. I hope that clears what I meant up.

You also claim both characters will be at their best

DIO is at his best within the context of Phantom Blood. I thought that was obvious.

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#33  Edited By Void_Reborn

@killerqueen: Ok thanks for clarifying. In that case, Dio might be FTL here if he scales to SP. Don't see how Kaneki is even touching him. He can spam space ripper and end this fight.

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@void_reborn: Star Platinum isn't faster than light based on consistent feats.

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@void_reborn: Star Platinum isn't faster than light based on consistent feats.

He is stated to be FTL and scales to an empowered version of Polnareff who, while weaker, has proven to be able to react to light speed and Silver Chariot intercepting a light speed movement.

That is enough. What inconsistencies suggest otherwise?

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@void_reborn:

What inconsistencies suggest otherwise?

Star Platinum failed to deflect a barrage of knives thrown by DIO when his best speed feat is Mach ~5.

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@void_reborn:

What inconsistencies suggest otherwise?

Star Platinum failed to deflect a barrage of knives thrown by DIO when his best speed feat is Mach ~5.

Context. The knives were thrown during stopped time. They were already incredibly close to Jotaro.

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@void_reborn:

Context. The knives were thrown during stopped time. They were already incredibly close to Jotaro.

It doesn't matter. If he was FTL then a few dozen Mach 5 knives would still be statues in comparison.

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@void_reborn:

Context. The knives were thrown during stopped time. They were already incredibly close to Jotaro.

It doesn't matter. If he was FTL then a few dozen Mach 5 knives would still be statues in comparison.

Still 2-1. What other inconsistencies disagree with the FTL feat and statement?

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@void_reborn:

What other inconsistencies disagree with the FTL feat and statement?

Josuke said that Crazy Diamond can punch at 300 kilometers per hour.

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Where are you people getting 1000 tons from? Santana was stated to have around 900 kg grip strength and that he is around 4 times stronger than a vampire iirc. Kaneki takes this easily.

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@killerqueen: Really? From what I recall, he survived being completely bisected in two and being decapitated, right?

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#44  Edited By KillerQueen

@kingcrimson:

From what I recall, he survived being completely bisected in two

Yeah, but that was because he pushed the halves back together. It isn't that different when compared to reattaching a severed arm or something of the nature.

and being decapitated

He didn't die, but he was a head. Can't do much at that point.

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@killerqueen: I see. Well, if you think a decap is enough for a victory, then I think Kaneki can beat him based on Phantom Blood feats. Haven’t seen the other JoJo series to know how he improved from there onward.

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#47  Edited By synchronized_123

@killerqueen: Faster and hits harder. His range and flexibility with his kagune counters Dio's freezing. Dio's laser eyes are also ineffective as Kaneki will easily regen from it.

Also, Kaneki wasn't raped. That's a fan theory that's never been confirmed.

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Kaneki will win, even if Dio tries really hard he cannot beat him unless if the world over heaven ultimate