Defenders (MCU) vs Lorelei (MCU)

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Lorelei.

Lorelei

Defenders got this bra

The Asgardian

Lorelei stomps.

Feats for Lorelei?

@tonymartial: Does Lorelei have her gear?

Lorelei would snap everyone in half, including Luke.

Defenders

Care to explain why?

@hulkbusterx9: Luke can match her on his own, Danny’s Fist could K.O her, if Bobbi can match people on this tier for a time Matt can hang and Jess while usually useless actually shines in teams battles when you look at her record.

Luke could solo

Lorelei sent a man flying 10+ feet away and likely killed him just by extending her arm backwards which easily puts her above Luke. Dannys fist didn't knock out Luke, so why exactly would it knock out her? Jess couldn't take out Murakami, who is a bug compared to Lorelei. I'm not even gonna bother talking about Matt. Sif also said she is a skilled warrior.

Joking?

@hulkbusterx9: Loreli wasnt impressive - All her ragdolling feats could be replicated by Luke. IK she beat Sif off panel but we have no idea as to when or how. And she lost in their on panel fight rather handily despite Sif starting unarmed.

@hulkbusterx9:

Lorelei sent a man flying 10+ feet away and likely killed him just by extending her arm backwards which easily puts her above Luke.

Not really. Jess and Luke can kill in single punches as well and have similar striking feats.

Hell here's Luke denting and sending a large metal cabinet (heavier than a person) a similar distance with a similar motion casually.

Dannys fist didn't knock out Luke, so why exactly would it knock out her?

Luke has ludicrously better durability feats than Lorelei. People on Lorelei's level have been knocked around by peak humans.

Jess couldn't take out Murakami, who is a bug compared to Lorelei.

Solo you are correct. And likewise solo she would be stomped here. In team fights however Jess is a different beast

As seen here, she quickly takes up a flank and stays clear knowing she can't hang speed/skill wise. Waits for the exposed stab to disarm Murakami and then syncs with Matt for the finish.

Similarly in the final fight with Elektra

Jess is able to stay to the side and time her attack to when her teammates gave her an opening.

I'm not even gonna bother talking about Matt. Sif also said she is a skilled warrior.

And? Matt has far better skill showings than her. Sif's opinion is just that.

No, they couldn't be replicated by him. He doesn't have the striking power to match her. Sif sent a large RV some distance with a simple leg push, and Lorelei is presumably on her level in physicals. Lorelei rag dolled May, who I would put above Danny and Matt in h2h skill. Asgardians are presented as durable as Luke. Jess is just a PI with less strength than Luke. Luke was KO'd by pre nightshade Bushmaster, and post nightshade Bushmaster's best feat is knocking down and denting a thick metal door after a noticeable amount of time. He was also clocked by diamond back, who's best feat is rocking a van.

I don't remember Lorelei's feats

@hulkbusterx9: Ok. Before I reply to any of that.

May is harder to ragdoll because of her h2h skill???

@greysentinel365 said:

@hulkbusterx9:

Lorelei sent a man flying 10+ feet away and likely killed him just by extending her arm backwards which easily puts her above Luke.

Not really. Jess and Luke can kill in single punches as well and have similar striking feats.

Hell here's Luke denting and sending a large metal cabinet (heavier than a person) a similar distance with a similar motion casually.

Dannys fist didn't knock out Luke, so why exactly would it knock out her?

Luke has ludicrously better durability feats than Lorelei. People on Lorelei's level have been knocked around by peak humans.

Jess couldn't take out Murakami, who is a bug compared to Lorelei.

Solo you are correct. And likewise solo she would be stomped here. In team fights however Jess is a different beast

As seen here, she quickly takes up a flank and stays clear knowing she can't hang speed/skill wise. Waits for the exposed stab to disarm Murakami and then syncs with Matt for the finish.

Similarly in the final fight with Elektra

Jess is able to stay to the side and time her attack to when her teammates gave her an opening.

I'm not even gonna bother talking about Matt. Sif also said she is a skilled warrior.

And? Matt has far better skill showings than her. Sif's opinion is just that.

''Hell here's Luke denting and sending a large metal cabinet (heavier than a person) a similar distance with a similar motion casually.''

She sent the man into the air twice that distance without even putting any of her upper bodyweight into it with seemingly NO effort based on her facial expressions. The only reason he stopped was because he hit the car.

''Luke has ludicrously better durability feats than Lorelei. People on Lorelei's level have been knocked around by peak humans.''

Luke was being knocked around by Elektra, who is also peak human. Asgardians are supposed to be immune to Earth weapons, like Luke.

The entire Defenders team was being rag dolled by Elektra. How long do you think she would last in a fight with Lorelei? Sif was fodderizing Frost Giants left and right. How long do you think the Defenders or Elektra would last on Jotenheim? Lorelei managed to gain the upperhand in her fight with Sif, and she was stated to have beaten her before. Lorelei>Defenders.

By feats, it could go either way. Danny is a legitimate bullet timer, and his chi punches are comparable to Black Panther kinetic pulses. Luke Cage could take on Bushmaster, who is also legitimate bullet timer.

By scaling, Lorelei stomps. She oneshotted May, who is on Matt's level. That puts her above Elektra. She is also supposedly on SIf's level, and Sif is supposedly on Loki's level, and Loki is above Captain America. So there's that.

Lorelei stomps

@hulkbusterx9:

She sent the man into the air twice that distance without even putting any of her upper bodyweight into it with seemingly NO effort based on her facial expressions. The only reason he stopped was because he hit the car.

Which is matched by Luke's feat

Luke was being knocked around by Elektra, who is also peak human.

Elektra is superhuman during her time in Defenders. As shown by her ability to tank Iron Fists, bullet time and regularly ragdoll people with her strikes.

Hell the very fact that Black Sky can harm Luke at all proves shes superhuman considering this is what happens when normal humans try to hurt Luke

Meanwhile when humans hit people on Sif/Lorelie's level

The entire Defenders team was being rag dolled by Elektra.

Good for Elektra. Lorelei doesn't scale from her in any way.

Sif was fodderizing Frost Giants left and right.

With her sword. The moment they got their hands on her she was overwhelmed.

At this point I might just not reply to you anymore. You clearly don't know the source material and even when it's shown to you you deliberately ignore it in an attempt to lowball Marvel netflix characters. You can't even be bothered to use CV functions to properly format and spam partial and unnecessary replies.

@greysentinel365: Bobbi can match people on this tier because she has feats doing so. Daredevil can't because he has no feats doing so and has struggled against farfarfar less and getting toyed with by far less. The Defenders get stomped.

Saying the agents did it so netflix is wank. The agents did it because they are better foghters with better feats, which inckude fighting Asgardian tiered opponents.

Matt and Danny struggled with Kingpin, Punisher and Harold.

Luke can't deal on his own. Asgardians have him beat in every category and hit more then hard enough to ko him in one. And we've seen far more people get up after an IF then we've seen it pit them out.

Lorelei stomps.

''Which is matched by Luke's feat'' how exactly? ''Meanwhile when humans hit people on Sif/Lorelie's level'' A feat for a trained and elite shield agent.

''Elektra is superhuman during her time in Defenders. As shown by her ability to tank Iron Fists, bullet time and regularly ragdoll people with her strikes.

Hell the very fact that Black Sky can harm Luke at all proves shes superhuman considering this is what happens when normal humans try to hurt Luke''

Ward tanked a punch from a centipede soldier, and they are capable of moving 60 ton bulldozers. Is he superhuman to? Cap was fazing Loki with his punches, who was still conscience after taking a brutal beating from Hulk. ''With her sword. The moment they got their hands on her she was overwhelmed.'' I find it hard to imagine Elektra with her swords still lasting in Jotenheim.

''At this point I might just not reply to you anymore. You clearly don't know the source material and even when it's shown to you you deliberately ignore it in an attempt to lowball Marvel netflix characters. You can't even be bothered to use CV functions to properly format and spam partial and unnecessary replies.'' lol what?

@hulkbusterx9:

how exactly?

Much heavier object, dented it, stopped and reversed it's momentum from Jess.

A feat for a trained and elite shield agent.

Still human

Ward tanked a punch from a centipede soldier, and they are capable of moving 60 ton bulldozers. Is he superhuman to?

Pushing =/= striking. Ward didn't tank it. He was utterly rocked. Lastly it wasn't a full power punch.

Cap was fazing Loki with his punches, who was still conscience after taking a brutal beating from Hulk.

The only thing Cap fazed Loki with was a kick. His shield throws and punches did nothing. Loki being completely conscious after a Hulk beating has no bearing on this.

I find it hard to imagine Elektra with her swords still lasting in Jotenheim.

If you gave Elektra Sif's weapon she absolutely could.

lol what?

Literally what you just did. Yeah I'm done.

''Much heavier object, dented it, stopped and reversed it's momentum from Jess.''

How heavy? Any specifics?

''Still human''

I know...

''Pushing =/= striking. Ward didn't tank it. He was utterly rocked. Lastly it wasn't a full power punch.''

And yet he was still capable of pulling off a strength feat that is above anything Luke has accomplished.

The only thing Cap fazed Loki with was a kick. His shield throws and punches did nothing. Loki being completely conscious after a Hulk beating has no bearing on this.

He also punched Loki in the face, which fazed him. Fazing someone that can survive a beating from Hulk adds to that person.

''If you gave Elektra Sif's weapon she absolutely could.''

You've yet to prove that.

''Literally what you just did. Yeah I'm done.''

You didn't prove anything by saying that.

We're comparing Bobbi Morse to thugs now guys. Did you know.

This.