@webinyoureye11: Jess doesn't have to get close. Plenty of items that she can just simply throw to one shot Nat. Only way Nat is winning is if she fires a bullet to Jessica's head which isn't something she typically does besides body shots. Jessica has withstood bullets before and kill before she lets herself be taken out.
@shehulk528: Widow with standard gear has tasers capable of stunning T'challa, knives, explosives and Jess cannot tag her. She oneshots
Clint was able to stalemate T'Challa for around a minute without being tagged. Jess isn't touching him. He has a sword, explosive arrows and shuriken + his insane accuracy and draw speed. He oneshots Jess
Cap has consistently oneshot beings with durability/strength above and beyond Jess without being tagged. And Jess dies to one shield throw which she is not dodging. He oneshots.
Can Cage be taken down??? I havent seen the defenders but if he doesnt have a known weakness luke could possibly solo? If he does have a weakness like lets say a very strong blow to the head then Cap could probably solo?
@greysentinel365: Unlike T'challa Jessica has shown some resistance to tasers. T'challa was featless for electric resistance vs Jessica who has no sold different types of tasers on different occasions. Knives?Nothing Jessica hasn't been able to handle and what explosives does she posses? Her standard gear is really just her tasers batons and widow bites. Jessica has actually tagged a speedster. What speed feats does Widow have over Jessica that make you assume she's faster?
It's clear Black Panther was toying around with him and neither was it his goal to fight Clint but get Bucky. But Jessica vs Hawkeye is more tricky.His weapon gives him advantage. But I wouldn't put it pass Jessica being able to dodge a arrow. But he would win.
Who has Cap ever oneshotted with Durability/Strength of Jessica's magnitude without being tagged? Jessica is equally as fast as the Super soldiers if not faster. If he was has his shield he does win but without it she definitely puts up a fight. But I don't think she will die from a shield toss that's like assuming Cap kills humans every time he throws his shield which he does alot.
But that doesn't matter because that matchups are
Black Widow vs Jessica Jones
Jessica wins
Luke Cage vs Captain America
Cap isn't putting Luke down
Daredevil vs Hawkeye
Daredevil has already a similar opponent with arguably better accuracy than Clint aka Bullseye. The question that matters is if Daredevil senses can render Hawkeyes arrows useless? Leaving it to H2H combat
Unlike T'challa Jessica has shown some resistance to tasers.
Every SS has shown resistance to high level electrical attacks. Jess has only shown resistance to standard tasers. In fact she was nearly K.O'd by a more powerful one meant for her mum. The Widows bite stunned Black Panther through an energy absorbent suit and has subdued and effected beings on Jess's durability level before.
Knives?Nothing Jessica hasn't been able to handle
From fodder on the streets. Nothing compared to Widow. See her fights with Murakami, fodder Hand Ninja and fodder security guards. Jess always gets tagged before going down. In Natasha's case it will be lethal.
and what explosives does she posses?
Blows up trucks with them in the AoU opening fight. + Flashbangs.
Jessica has actually tagged a speedster.
Only when he was in a narrow hallway and had already tipped her off he was approaching. Once they were in the apartment he was able to blitz around her with impunity. I don't see it as any different than Widow being able to tag Ant Man while he's size blitzing her. Something Falcon was only able to duplicate with his goggles.
What speed feats does Widow have over Jessica that make you assume she's faster?
I mean her flipping through bullet speed blasts like nothing and deflecting arrows among other things would do it.
Jess struggled to block a tissue box.
It's clear Black Panther was toying around with him and neither was it his goal to fight Clint but get Bucky.
Clint is the one standing between him and Bucky. That was the point of them fighting. Panther was going all out to beat Clint because he was stopping him getting to Barnes.
But I wouldn't put it pass Jessica being able to dodge a arrow
She's shown nothing to indicate that.
Who has Cap ever oneshotted with Durability/Strength of Jessica's magnitude without being tagged?
Ultron Bots (can burrow through the ground, lift cars and tank bullets), Chitauri (who can tank falls from skyscrapers ragdoll humans with ease and be run over by a full speed car and just get back up) and Cybernetically augmented Hydra Soldiers. Nevermind shield throws.
Black Widow vs Jessica Jones
Widow stomps. Jess cannot tag her. Is susceptible to all her weapons and that's assuming she doesn't just shoot her anyway.
Luke Cage vs Captain America
Luke wins in a marathon or Cap shield bashes his head in. Could go either way. Luke would win raw H2H
Daredevil vs Hawkeye
Hawkeye has DD's best feat but better basically. In addition to gear. Clint wins.
Every SS has shown resistance to high level electrical attacks. Jess has only shown resistance to standard tasers. In fact she was nearly K.O'd by a more powerful one meant for her mum. The Widows bite stunned Black Panther through an energy absorbent suit and has subdued and effected beings on Jess's durability level before.
Where are the feats?Where has Cap or even Winter soldier ever no selled tasers of some degree?She also resisted 3 simultaneously cow tasers which have KO'ed Trish in one tase. Yeah for her more powerful mom!Who is more powerful than Cap and Bucky. This is obviously referring to his newer suit. The suit he used against Nat had no other showings to energy attacks beside the new one which was stated to absorb kinetic energy. Yes it was made out of vibranium but obviously this design wasn't built for energy absorption.
From fodder on the streets. Nothing compared to Widow. See her fights with Murakami, fodder Hand Ninja and fodder security guards. Jess always gets tagged before going down. In Natasha's case it will be lethal.
Fodder on streets?Your making claims but wheres the evidence?She has never lost to any fodders aka the same ones she always holds back on. Murakami was capable of fighting Luke Cage and he also was superhuman to a degree.She even fought off other hand ninjas even some of them possessed knives and she still manage to not be tagged.Your failing to realize Jessica holds back in all her fights of fear of killing someone. She's not holding back here.
Blows up trucks with them in the AoU opening fight. + Flashbangs.
Where are the feats?Jessica has tanked being blown back by explosions on multiple occasions.
Only when he was in a narrow hallway and had already tipped her off he was approaching. Once they were in the apartment he was able to blitz around her with impunity. I don't see it as any different than Widow being able to tag Ant Man while he's size blitzing her. Something Falcon was only able to duplicate with his goggles.
He didn't tip her off at all it was all reaction and yet he still remained in her sight when she was chasing him down. Jessica has superhuman speed. She casually dodges attacks from humans like nothing and she's capable of going blow for blow with ninjas who are casual bullet timers(Elektra). All widow do was blast him with her widow bites as he was bending her arm.
I mean her flipping through bullet speed blasts like nothing and deflecting arrows among other things would do it.
Jess struggled to block a tissue box.
Jessica didn't struggle to block a box full of her brother and fathers ashes up from up close and dodged a lamp being thrown at her. She managed to keep him in her sight even with the speed advantage. Jessica's faster on foot and has the better reaction.
Clint is the one standing between him and Bucky. That was the point of them fighting. Panther was going all out to beat Clint because he was stopping him getting to Barnes.
Black Panther was definitely not going all out.Your wanking like heck. If he was Hawkeye would be dead and no one was fighting to the death or going all out. Black Panther rendered his bow useless and arrows.
But I wouldn't put it pass Jessica being able to dodge a arrow
She's shown nothing to indicate that
Casually fighting Bullet timers and keeping up with speedsters!Yeah right......
Ultron Bots (can burrow through the ground, lift cars and tank bullets), Chitauri (who can tank falls from skyscrapers ragdoll humans with ease and be run over by a full speed car and just get back up) and Cybernetically augmented Hydra Soldiers. Nevermind shield throws.
Ultron bots didn't lift any cars from my knowledge through pure strength. All of these are things that something Luke Cage could have done and Jessica was capable of fighting him. Jessica has better punching striking feats. She can definitely oneshot a Ultron bot the same way Cap did. Jessica casually takes falls from skyscrapers same as Chitauri as well ragdolling humans but to far greater distances.
Widow stomps. Jess cannot tag her. Is susceptible to all her weapons and that's assuming she doesn't just shoot her anyway.
Widow doesn't. But keep dreaming shooting her is her best bet. Even still Jessica has took some bullets before as long as he doesn't get shot in the head or heart.
Luke Cage vs Captain America
Luke wins in a marathon or Cap shield bashes his head in. Could go either way. Luke would win raw H2H
If you really think Caps shield bash is going to him down then your delusional. Cap hits no where near as hard as Danny's Ironfist. Not mention luke got an major amp. Cap can't put Luke down shield or not
Daredevil vs Hawkeye
Hawkeye has DD's best feat but better basically. In addition to gear. Clint wins.
Daredevil has dodge automatic rifle gun fire and so much more. He's going to be able to stall and last long enough for help.
Where are the feats?Where has Cap or even Winter soldier ever no selled tasers of some degree?
Cap easily tanks through tasers that oneshot trained soldiers. Meanwhile the stunners that Jess took can't even phase Simpson
This is obviously referring to his newer suit.
Nope. That clip is from the Civil War special features (hence why it's the Russo Brothers). So the Widows Bite is able to stun a Super Soldier through an energy absorbent armour while the ones that hurt Jess can be tanked by freaking Simpson.
Fodder on streets?Your making claims but wheres the evidence?
If you want to prove they're anyone of note feel free.
Murakami was capable of fighting Luke Cage and he also was superhuman to a degree.
Murakami stomped Jessica in two moves or oneshotted her in every encounter.
She even fought off other hand ninjas even some of them possessed knives and she still manage to not be tagged.
Jess has only ever fought one hand ninja. He repeatedly tagged her before she out-muscled him. Widow would destroy her.
Your failing to realize Jessica holds back in all her fights of fear of killing someone.
This only restricts her ability to retaliate. It's not like she lets herself get hit.
He didn't tip her off at all it was all
Nope. We see Jess turn hearing something behind her and then put her hand up premtively. Something only possible due to the narrow hallway meaning he couldn't turn or do anything about it. Once in an actual space Whiz blites around Jess' perceptions with ease twice
Which makes it very clear that Jess cannot track his movements. And don't even try the second one. Whizz gets all the way around Jess while she still thinks he's in another room and hasn't even turned her head.
And finally if Jess truly were able to perceive and tag Whizz without being tipped off and having a narrow hallway to help she would have done it right here
Goes from stopped right in front of Jess to straight past her and she doesn't even track him. Let alone react.
Stop. This whole "tag a speedster" crap for Jess is dead. Never existed to begin with.
She casually dodges attacks from humans like nothing
So casual
Yeah that's just false.
she's capable of going blow for blow with ninjas who are casual bullet timers(Elektra)
Tries to fight her. K.O'd in one move
Lands one grab thanks to a Daredevil distraction. Blocked and stomped in a few seconds. Never blocks a move. Or contends with Black Sky in any way.
Need I go on. No Jess has never contended with Black Sky in any way.
All widow do was blast him with her widow bites as he was bending her arm.
I'll post the gif again so you can actually look at it this time.
Black Panther was definitely not going all out.
Pure headcanon. Clint was standing between him and the man who (he thought) killed his father. He has no reason to hold back. Clint is just that good.
Casually fighting Bullet timers and keeping up with speedsters!Yeah right......
Those feats don't exist as I've shown above.
Ultron bots didn't lift any cars from my knowledge through pure strength.
Even if you want to argue the jets did the lift itself the bodies of the drones still had to support the strain of the weight.
And Cap could still tear them apart.
Even then. Here's them flipping and lifting cars with no problem
Jessica casually takes falls from skyscrapers same as Chitauri as well ragdolling humans but to far greater distances.
Please. Jess got hit by a Car and was K.O'd. A Chitauri got run over and tanked it. It's very clear.
If you really think Caps shield bash is going to him down then your delusional. Cap hits no where near as hard as Danny's Ironfist. Not mention luke got an major amp. Cap can't put Luke down shield or not
@shehulk528: no one is being delusional thinking Cap can damage Luke with his shield. His shield cut into Ultron and Iron Man (doesn't matter if the suit was weaker overall since it was still gold titanium that was damaged), which is concentrated striking power. It doesn't have the AOE of the iron fist but it's on that level of damage output but no charge is required, just Cap putting his body behind the attack. Under Luke's skin, his flesh will get bruised from those kind of strikes. Vibranium is harder than any part of Luke's body.
Avengers wins. Nat stalemates Matt while Cap wraps up Jessica, then Cap and Nat take down Matt together. Clint drops Luke with an explosive arrow and restrains him with the same arrows he used on Vision during Civil War.
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