Defenders Beyonder vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder

• Morals off
• Win by any means

Beyonder win

Beyonder stomps

That is one weird outfit Defenders Beyonder has.

Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now.. let's wait and see his actual feats

@dami24434: cosmology expansion has no effect on ore retcon beyonder, the beyond realm is still beyond eternity

Pre retcon beyonder was literally the embodiment of the beyond realm, this new one is just a denizen

Feats for current Beyonder or is this just an unnecessary hype thread?

Scales to Mystery, and is beyond 8th Cosmos' reach.

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But he's likely to get more feats in the next issue, coming out on Wednesday.

@soratoumiga said:

@takenstew22 said:

Feats for current Beyonder or is this just an unnecessary hype thread?

Scales to Mystery, and is beyond 8th Cosmos' reach.

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But he's likely to get more feats in the next issue, coming out on Wednesday.

This is still not enough as PR Beyonder already massively scales above the Marvel multiverse itself, including LT who should still scale above Multi-Eternity I think.

@takenstew22 said:

@soratoumiga said:

@takenstew22 said:

Feats for current Beyonder or is this just an unnecessary hype thread?

Scales to Mystery, and is beyond 8th Cosmos' reach.

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But he's likely to get more feats in the next issue, coming out on Wednesday.

This is still not enough as PR Beyonder already massively scales above the Marvel multiverse itself, including LT who should still scale above Multi-Eternity I think.

I agree with the first part, however, LT of those times scaling higher than 7th incarnation of cosmos doesn't necessarily mean he was higher than 8th incarnation, aka the current one, since the cosmology grew massively since the 80s.

@soratoumiga said:

@takenstew22 said:

@soratoumiga said:

@takenstew22 said:

Feats for current Beyonder or is this just an unnecessary hype thread?

Scales to Mystery, and is beyond 8th Cosmos' reach.

Gallery

But he's likely to get more feats in the next issue, coming out on Wednesday.

This is still not enough as PR Beyonder already massively scales above the Marvel multiverse itself, including LT who should still scale above Multi-Eternity I think.

I agree with the first part, however, LT of those times scaling higher than 7th incarnation of cosmos doesn't necessarily mean he was higher than 8th incarnation, aka the current one, since the cosmology grew massively since the 80s.

Multi-Eternity = LT or no?

Smh I don't want Eternity to be higher than the IG...

Original Beyonder is still stronger until we see more of this version's showings.

@takenstew22:

Multi-Eternity = LT or no?

Nah, Multi-Eternity > LT, since LT's "ultimate punishment" was only to bust a star ijbol

But seriously, there are many anti-feats for him!

Smh I don't want Eternity to be higher than the IG...

IG is so inconsistent, and the Gems are almost always used as plot devices, their power and range depending on what writer wants. Thanos w/ IG would be below 8th Cosmos, for example, but there's a way to get the Gems themselves to that level or higher.

Pre Recton Beyonder

Beyonder wins

Still pre retcon beyonder, that dude isn't bound by marvel cosmology at least in his true form, he's like having his own cosmology which is somehow greater than entire marvel multiverse itself

PreR Beyonder during SW was regarded as the most powerful being in Marvel. Crazy thing is, now(currently) we learn that PreR Beyonder is just an experimental, child unit of the Beyonders.

Apparently the Beyonders were created by the Celestials to regulate/maintain the 2nd Cosmos(1st Multiverse) AND as a fail safe against the Celestials themselves.

OT

PreR Beyonder ftw simply bc he has the all important battle feats over his current self. 😉

Pre-retcon beyonder was not the most powerful being in marvel.

Anyway defenders beyond issue 2 is out this week.

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I think at the very least this version of Beyonder at least scales to the Beyonders that destroyed the Seventh Cosmos. Maybe slightly stronger, since he already went through the madness of limitations, whereas the Beyonder that was entrapped by Loki through storytelling went mad, which I figure would affect every other Beyonder the same way.

So current Beyonder is out of Eternity's reach

But so was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who embodiment of the Beyond Realm which was beyond the multiverse

Pre-Retcon Beyonder should win

Defenders Beyonder hard stomp pre-retcon.

There the same thing in headcanon. In retrospect they seem different but he legit admit to be the Child Unit during Secret War before Maturity.

New Beyonder in the new cosmology stomp pre-retcon

I know pr beyonder is low multi but idk the other.

True. I forgot the marvel cosmology later was outright superior to older.

The new beyonder seem stronger, they declared themselves infinite, only using meat suit to interact with the defender, they're

also outside of the multiverse and can resist the narrative.

The new beyonder seem stronger, they declared themselves infinite only using meat suit to interact with the defender.

they're outside of the multiverse and can resist the force of narrative.

@lightninglord14 : and pre retcon beyonder was greater than entire marvel multiverse + cosmology combined

Pre retcon beyonder was the embodiment of the beyond realm, he was literally what eternity is to the lower Marvel cosmology.

He shit stomps

Pre Beyonder Had the power of the authors and could do literally anything he wanted. Also was TOAA until he got bored Haven't seen anything to suggest this new one can come close

Off-topic but Beyonder really needs a redesign, his costume is extremely dumb

Not quite sure if people are understanding the Retcon here.

This retcon did not nerf the Beyonder!... He still retains his past feats from the Secret War storylines(with context now). The retcon simply expanded Marvels Cosmology. IMO

@akz: I have.

Pre retcon: he was the beyond realm itself taken form

Current: he was a beyonder baby watching the rest of the Marvel cosmology below like a television

Fact remains that, ore retcon beyonder was the entirety of the realm, this one isn't, he's just a denizen, one if many infinite beings there.

Pre retcon win ez

@cosmic_reign: no

Yes

@cosmic_reign: no

Yes... Bring it!!

@cosmic_reign: lose blue Marvel

Beyonder defenders weak

PRB

They're the same thing.

I am very interested to see what the consensus will end up being because this thread seems very split down the middle.

@pyrofn: no pre retcon beyonder win ez

@akumu: K. Still wanna see tons on answers from everyone.

Both are fodder multiversals

Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps his ass.