First off Bronze Tiger did not fight Slade one on one he had Deadshot their as back up and Deadshot was shooting at him. Also Slade was half dead from getting shot and blown the f' up for a whole day since Steel sent basically the entire Army after him so they already had that advantage. Also Deathstroke is like ten times stronger and better since then.
First off Bronze Tiger did not fight Slade one on one he had Deadshot their as back up and Deadshot was shooting at him. Also Slade was half dead from getting shot and blown the f' up for a whole day since Steel sent basically the entire Army after him so they already had that advantage. Also Deathstroke is like ten times stronger and better since then. "
First off Bronze Tiger did not fight Slade one on one he had Deadshot their as back up and Deadshot was shooting at him. Also Slade was half dead from getting shot and blown the f' up for a whole day since Steel sent basically the entire Army after him so they already had that advantage. Also Deathstroke is like ten times stronger and better since then. "
First off Bronze Tiger did not fight Slade one on one he had Deadshot their as back up and Deadshot was shooting at him. Also Slade was half dead from getting shot and blown the f' up for a whole day since Steel sent basically the entire Army after him so they already had that advantage. Also Deathstroke is like ten times stronger and better since then. "
BT first apperance he one shotted Batman "
Deathstroke has one shotted Batman WHILE depowered
Deathstroke has one shotted Batman WHILE depowered "
To be honest, given the fact that BatMan took several hits from Deathstroke while he was enhanced, I may have to call that PIS. BatMan has taken more than one hit from superhumans before. Understanding that BatMan caused Deathstroke some serious injuries in his first fight with him, I am not sure I agree with that instance being legitimate. Also, correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't it unknown in that issue that Deathstroke was depowered and revealed in the next issue? That may imply that at the time of the issue, it was assumed to be Deathstroke with his enhancements. Again, correct me if I am wrong.
@saiyan_earthling: I do not remember. Based on BatMan's feats of striking power, such as kicking down a steel door, kicking down a tree, and striking through bricks, it would not surprise me. Deathstroke did say, however, that he only defeated BatMan because of his enhancements.
@saiyan_earthling: He did and said he would hate to have to fight him without his enhancements
@Silver2467: It is PIS but no more then Bronze one shotting him. TBH though I think on a good day that Deathstroke can beat Batman and most street levelers pretty easily.
@Silver2467: It is PIS but no more then Bronze one shotting him. TBH though I think on a good day that Deathstroke can beat Batman and most street levelers pretty easily. "
I see.
Without his enhancements, on a very good day, possibly, but BatMan is superior to him skillfully based on combat feats. BatMan has fought Richard Dragon to a standstill off skill alone. Understand, I would say that BatMan is only slightly superior to Slade in fighting skill though. Deathstroke is still very impressive with his skills. With his enhancements, Deathstroke can defeat him every day of the week.
First off Bronze Tiger did not fight Slade one on one he had Deadshot their as back up and Deadshot was shooting at him. Also Slade was half dead from getting shot and blown the f' up for a whole day since Steel sent basically the entire Army after him so they already had that advantage. Also Deathstroke is like ten times stronger and better since then. "
BT first apperance he one shotted Batman "
Yes, and BatMan also stalemated him once. Point? "
First off Bronze Tiger did not fight Slade one on one he had Deadshot their as back up and Deadshot was shooting at him. Also Slade was half dead from getting shot and blown the f' up for a whole day since Steel sent basically the entire Army after him so they already had that advantage. Also Deathstroke is like ten times stronger and better since then. "
BT first apperance he one shotted Batman "
Yes, and BatMan also stalemated him once. Point? "
DS is not ten times tronger than BT "
He very likely is. Deathstroke is physically superior to BatMan.
First off Bronze Tiger did not fight Slade one on one he had Deadshot their as back up and Deadshot was shooting at him. Also Slade was half dead from getting shot and blown the f' up for a whole day since Steel sent basically the entire Army after him so they already had that advantage. Also Deathstroke is like ten times stronger and better since then. "
BT first apperance he one shotted Batman "
Yes, and BatMan also stalemated him once. Point? "
DS is not ten times tronger than BT "
He very likely is. Deathstroke is physically superior to BatMan. "
Well im not familiar with Ds so elaborate, is he super human or Enhanced human?
First off Bronze Tiger did not fight Slade one on one he had Deadshot their as back up and Deadshot was shooting at him. Also Slade was half dead from getting shot and blown the f' up for a whole day since Steel sent basically the entire Army after him so they already had that advantage. Also Deathstroke is like ten times stronger and better since then. "
BT first apperance he one shotted Batman "
Yes, and BatMan also stalemated him once. Point? "
DS is not ten times tronger than BT "
He very likely is. Deathstroke is physically superior to BatMan. "
Well im not familiar with Ds so elaborate, is he super human or Enhanced human? "
He can think 9 times faster, has superhuman stamina, healing, senses, reflexes, and presumed superhuman speed and strength.
" Tiger. Even with DS's enhancements BT is still leagues more skilled. If Nightwing can casually dance circles around DS, Tiger should be able to put him down. "
That is not at all the case. Deathstroke has defeated Nightwing more times than Grayson has him, and whenever Dick does manage to defeat him, it is either the result of help or PIS/WIS. Slade has defeated BatMan more than once. Dick cannot defeat him on his own.
" Tiger. Even with DS's enhancements BT is still leagues more skilled. If Nightwing can casually dance circles around DS, Tiger should be able to put him down. "
That is not at all the case. Deathstroke has defeated Nightwing more times than Grayson has him, and whenever Dick does manage to defeat him, it is either the result of help or PIS/WIS. Slade has defeated BatMan more than once. Dick cannot defeat him on his own. "
NW does have the advantage with his agility, DS is stronger and has enhanched speed. NW should technically be more skilled since training under Batman but simply not enough at the moment to overcome the gap of DS's enhancements (being trained by the army and Natas as well).
I have never seen NW get stomped by DS even when he was robin. DS holds NW in high regard being one of the few people whoo can constantly evade him and pose at least some level of challenge.
Still, BT is far more skilled than either. He should win.
" Tiger. Even with DS's enhancements BT is still leagues more skilled. If Nightwing can casually dance circles around DS, Tiger should be able to put him down. "
That is not at all the case. Deathstroke has defeated Nightwing more times than Grayson has him, and whenever Dick does manage to defeat him, it is either the result of help or PIS/WIS. Slade has defeated BatMan more than once. Dick cannot defeat him on his own. "
NW does have the advantage with his agility, DS is stronger and has enhanched speed. NW should technically be more skilled since training under Batman but simply not enough at the moment to overcome the gap of DS's enhancements (being trained by the army and Natas as well). I have never seen NW get stomped by DS even when he was robin. DS holds NW in high regard being one of the few people whoo can constantly evade him and pose at least some level of challenge. Still, BT is far more skilled than either. He should win. "
Deathstroke is more skilled than Nightwing. He is only a few notches below BatMan in terms of combat skill. Yes, Nightwing is more agile, but Deathstroke has superhuman reflexes and speed. It balances out.
" Tiger. Even with DS's enhancements BT is still leagues more skilled. If Nightwing can casually dance circles around DS, Tiger should be able to put him down. "
That is not at all the case. Deathstroke has defeated Nightwing more times than Grayson has him, and whenever Dick does manage to defeat him, it is either the result of help or PIS/WIS. Slade has defeated BatMan more than once. Dick cannot defeat him on his own. "
NW does have the advantage with his agility, DS is stronger and has enhanched speed. NW should technically be more skilled since training under Batman but simply not enough at the moment to overcome the gap of DS's enhancements (being trained by the army and Natas as well). I have never seen NW get stomped by DS even when he was robin. DS holds NW in high regard being one of the few people whoo can constantly evade him and pose at least some level of challenge. Still, BT is far more skilled than either. He should win. "
Deathstroke is more skilled than Nightwing. He is only a few notches below BatMan in terms of combat skill. Yes, Nightwing is more agile, but Deathstroke has superhuman reflexes and speed. It balances out. "
DS and NW's skill are debatable. Yes DS himself said that without his enhancements he would lose a fight to Batman, so he's less skilled than Bruce, which puts him near NW's level. BT is beyond both. He wins.
Also that second fight between BT and Batman is only called a tie because it was interrupted. BT should still beat Bats too (only h2h).
DS and NW's skill are debatable. Yes DS himself said that without his enhancements he would lose a fight to Batman, so he's less skilled than Bruce, which puts him near NW's level. BT is beyond both. He wins. Also that second fight between BT and Batman is only called a tie because it was interrupted. BT should still beat Bats too (only h2h). "
Deathstroke being below BatMan in skill does not automatically mean that he is only equal to Nightwing.
Yes, Bronze Tiger is a notch above BatMan in skill, but Richard Dragon is more skilled than BatMan also. But BatMan fought Dragon to a standstill.
Deathstroke is superior to Nightwing in skill and physical attributes.
Also, if you notice, I have never once said that Deathstroke wins. I am simply saying that comparing Deathstroke to Nightwing is not accurate.
@Xi Felix: You obviously are pushing for BT so much you just imagine the book as you want it. Deathstroke spent that whole book just trying to get away and talk BT down while BT went all out trying to subdue and bring Deathstroke in. And even if Jasper was not there he would have got out of that hold if you did not notice Slade had the upper hand for the entire fight till then even putting BT in a hold. And if you really think that BT won in the train station you are really reaching for him to win since DS was not even trying to fight just to get away and hide or talk BT down. and they grapple for about one panel before Deadshot opens fire and Slade takes Deadshot down almost instantly.
People just want to see Slade lose like they want to see Midnighter and Cassie lose so they will reach stuff to sh@t to make a point
" First off Bronze Tiger did not fight Slade one on one he had Deadshot their as back up and Deadshot was shooting at him. Also Slade was half dead from getting shot and blown the f' up for a whole day since Steel sent basically the entire Army after him so they already had that advantage. Also Deathstroke is like ten times stronger and better since then. "
I remember it differently. Bronze Tiger and Deathstroke fought each other (and it appeared as if BT had the upper hand). Deadshot later came in and broke up the fight. Also, I don't recall Deathstroke getting 'upgraded' since then. The same Deathstroke that fought Bronze Tiger is the same Deathstroke, currently. As far what happened prior to that, it's insignificant. Deathstroke didn't even show signs of fatigue in his battle with Bronze Tiger, so it doesn't matter what he went through with Steel and the Army.
@Static Shock: I'm looking at it now Deathstroke lays all the first hits on him cuts BT arm up with a knife gets him in a hold than BT get DS in a hold than Jasper wigs out and hoots a gun randomly and DS bails out the wind and dips since he figure's Steel and checkmate have more men on the way. They get to the train station DS trys to get away and talk down BT. Deadshot comes in and f@cks everything up and Bronze Tiger throws a fit because he does not believe in killing anymore and Deadshot eventually lays three in Slade's chest.
@Son_of_Magnus: Just as I thought. Bronze Tiger HAD the upper hand. Before, you said that Deathstroke had the first hits. So, you lied, even after you said you were looking at the book?
@Static Shock: Where does BT have the upperhand in that fight? and the only thing BT did was spook DS when he came in the window where Deathstroke than caught his kick and continued to beat. The whole story arc is that Slade is hunted he does not want to stay and fight he was trying to get the hell out of their and BT is his boy do him attacking him is a big shock
@Son_of_Magnus: Bronze Tiger obviously got the first hits in. After being cut and later punched a few times, Bronze Tiger hit him again and disarmed him, holding him down. Never mind what happened in the train station after that. Bronze Tiger literally controlled the fight until the other guy jumped in with his gun.
If that isn't 'having the upper hand' to you, then that sounds like a personal problem.
@Static Shock: Bronze Tiger even admits he can not hold him forever and not kill kill him even if he wants to he says as long as he can make it to the feds get their there is no disproving that DS could have broken free without Jasper's interruption. You are also completely forgetting the fact that Slade was trying to dip the whole time and talk to BT. Not to mention Slade had more hits in and more serious hits. In no way can you call this a victory for either party save Deadshot. As well Slade was physically and mentally drained after being on the run from the entire Goverment for being set up for shooting a senator. he has been shot at and blown up at for weeks. As well. Slade has improved vastly since than Back than Slade could not grow back the eye his wife shot out yet now he can almost instantly regrow the eye Canary ripped out while taking down all the Birds and Sagat blind. As well almost instantly recover getting his spine severed and heart punctured. When here a couple of shots tok him down for the count when now ten shots are nothing. He has also received much more training physically and in martial arts
@Son_of_Magnus: I'm not worried about what was said. Fact is, Bronze Tiger had the upper hand in that showing. Other than slashing at Bronze Tiger, Deathstroke only got in three hits, while Bronze Tiger got in four, and was able to briefly restrain him. Nobody said that it was a victory, but what you need to do is admit that Bronze Tiger did well in that fight. As far as being mentally and physically drained, there was nothing in the scans that suggested this was the case. Even if he was trying to run, he still tried to fight back. Period.
@Static Shock: OK that is my bad I have trouble get my voice and opinion out over a screen lol. I think BT did phenomenal and even though I do think DS would win in a fight I think it would be an epic and close where DS got the sh@t kicked out of him and probably take a whole issue. Now man I like you no homo so I am not gonna get in to Deathstroke threads with you anymore lol since we bump heads to much and that aint good lol.
"Now man I like you no homo so I am not gonna get in to Deathstroke threads with you anymore lol since we bump heads to much and that aint good lol. "
You don't like debating with me? LOL. "
No I do I just feel like when it is Deathstroke it always turns ugly for some reason lol. Other times we debate have always been awesome. Like Bronze Tiger vs Captain America, anything with Wildcat or Captain Atom,
DS and NW's skill are debatable. Yes DS himself said that without his enhancements he would lose a fight to Batman, so he's less skilled than Bruce, which puts him near NW's level. BT is beyond both. He wins. Also that second fight between BT and Batman is only called a tie because it was interrupted. BT should still beat Bats too (only h2h). "
Deathstroke being below BatMan in skill does not automatically mean that he is only equal to Nightwing. Yes, Bronze Tiger is a notch above BatMan in skill, but Richard Dragon is more skilled than BatMan also. But BatMan fought Dragon to a standstill. Deathstroke is superior to Nightwing in skill and physical attributes. Also, if you notice, I have never once said that Deathstroke wins. I am simply saying that comparing Deathstroke to Nightwing is not accurate. "
I didn't say DS was equal with NW in skill. I said if enhancements were aside NW and Slade's skill would be comparable, even if DS turned out to be more skilled, it wouldn't be by a lot.
But that's not the point. I said the way NW fights DS, and flips and prances around him, and how whenever they fight, DS doesn't stomp NW, i gauged how good Bronze Tiger would do against DS. This is not the only standard for judgement though. BT and DS have both beaten Batman. But with enough skill, DS's enhancements can be overcome. I saw Tiger beat Shiva, and Shiva took down Shadowdragon who's way faster than Slade.
@Static Shock said: "It's hard for me to gauge Shadowdragon, mainly because of that suit he wears"Yea. I don't know how skilled he is in MA, just that he was a ninja. But his speed surprised even Superman who said "I'm not used to dealing with someone who is faster than me." or something along those lines. (idk how he was faster than Supes cuz' that would put him at Flash level.. maybe his reflexes... *shrugs, and stops making excuses for illogical comic writing*) Basically his suit makes him really fast, and maybe some other things, but Lady Shiva brought him down.
I didn't say DS was equal with NW in skill. I said if enhancements were aside NW and Slade's skill would be comparable, even if DS turned out to be more skilled, it wouldn't be by a lot. But that's not the point. I said the way NW fights DS, and flips and prances around him, and how whenever they fight, DS doesn't stomp NW, i gauged how good Bronze Tiger would do against DS. This is not the only standard for judgement though. BT and DS have both beaten Batman. But with enough skill, DS's enhancements can be overcome. I saw Tiger beat Shiva, and Shiva took down Shadowdragon who's way faster than Slade. Tiger should win. "
Deathstroke is most likely in the top 10 fighters on DC earth; Nightwing is not. BatMan has also stalemated Tiger before, as well as Dragon, and held his own against Shiva.
And as I mentioned above, I never said that Deathstroke wins.
@Silver2467 said: " @velle37 said: I didn't say DS was equal with NW in skill. I said if enhancements were aside NW and Slade's skill would be comparable, even if DS turned out to be more skilled, it wouldn't be by a lot. But that's not the point. I said the way NW fights DS, and flips and prances around him, and how whenever they fight, DS doesn't stomp NW, i gauged how good Bronze Tiger would do against DS. This is not the only standard for judgement though. BT and DS have both beaten Batman. But with enough skill, DS's enhancements can be overcome. I saw Tiger beat Shiva, and Shiva took down Shadowdragon who's way faster than Slade. Tiger should win. "Deathstroke is most likely in the top 10 fighters on DC earth; Nightwing is not. BatMan has also stalemated Tiger before, as well as Dragon, and held his own against Shiva. And as I mentioned above, I never said that Deathstroke wins. "All of my comments about Tiger winning were to the thread, not to you personally. And no I don't think DS is one of the best fighters in DC on pure skill. Without his enhancements NW owned him.
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