What has current Slade done with prep that could beat Logan? Don't get me wrong I would go for team DS but considering we've hardly seen any prep feats from him I don't see how he could solo Logan and X-23. He and Rose on the other would take it with prep and combined attacks.
I think this is probably the most important rule, and when it’s followed, many other problems go away. When starting a battle you need to be specific about how everything is going to go down. This includes a lot of factors. A lot of posters just type "fighter 1 vs fighter 2, who wins?" and they're done. Putting just a little effort into it can sort out a lot of questions that pop up later. You can determine if the characters involved are acting in character (like they normally would as their personalities dictate), if they are “bloodlusted” or anywhere in between, how much time they get before the fight (prep), where they're fighting, what gear they have with them, which incarnation of the character, any power limitations, etc, etc. It really isn’t hard to flesh out the battle a little and it goes a long way.
Writing some options again to make sure they’re easy to see:
In Character or Bloodlusted
Prep Time or No Prep Time
Setting (time, location, bystanders, available resources, etc)
Gear (standard weaponry/gadgets/items, unarmed, special weapons)
Character Version (current version, original, alternate universe, etc)
Extra Rules (time limits, boundaries, what counts as win)
When these things are left out it’s generally assumed that characters are fighting to the best of their ability but still within the limits of their personality, using their standard gear, have no prep time, and are their current versions. Their starting distance is close and the setting is most often a city. Without any specifications to a battle, those are what we go by. It’s always best to give as much information about the fight in the first post.
A version for Deathstroke has not been stated. Thus we must refer to his current incarnation as being used. This is also backed up by the fact the OP is using his Nth armor and the version pictured is New-52. Its safe to assume that was the intended version.
@e3zombie said:
Deathstroke im basing this on all his feats.
Why? Pre-52 and New-52 Slade are vastly different in power-set skills and abilities. I wouldn't use Spider-man with his "Other" to back up a fight a Spider-man fight simply because no version was stated. I would go off his normal current feats with his current powerset. Same applies here. You can't use feats from a character version who is not the same as the current one.
@jashro44: Wrong in the fight you are talking about DS said the only reason he is alive in the nth metal, the rest of his armor thats not bade from it was breaking.
What has current Slade done with prep that could beat Logan? Don't get me wrong I would go for team DS but considering we've hardly seen any prep feats from him I don't see how he could solo Logan and X-23. He and Rose on the other would take it with prep and combined attacks.
He did make an EMP in a few seconds so he is pretty smart in the new 52. The problem is the OP seems to have limited deathstrokes gear. I think Slade would win if he could bring additional gear but I don't know if thats what the OP wants.
@jashro44: Wrong in the fight you are talking about DS said the only reason he is alive in the nth metal, the rest of his armor thats not bade from it was breaking.
Yes he took some hits because of the nyth metal armor but it eventually broke.
I don't think adamantium has cracked before. At least I can't think of a time it has with physical force. Closest time is when thor dented it off the top of my head.
His whole armor is not Nth metel, I said that already.
True I suppose the face isn't nyth metal, which would explain why deadborn cracked it and why bullets pierced it when deathstroke was exsausted... Thing is that still means wolverine can cut through the areas that aren't nyth metal.
Anything done by Lobo is to not be taken seriously. He's a parody character and pretty much anything he has done can be considered non-canon.
Durability of Nth Metal and Adamantium is pointless in this fight. Slade has prep, end of story. Slade can precisely time his attack to stop Flash, which he doesn't need prep for. Death isn't required for this fight, it's Death or KO. All Slade needs to do is attack one nerve to shut down Wolverine's body. As for Ravager, if she is working with daddy, she is either forced or drugged, in this case she would have to be drugged. Crazy Rose has Spidey Sense on crack, Laura won't be able to touch her. Not to mention Rose is the superior fighter.
Without prep, Team Logan would barely squeeze a victory at best, with prep, let alone a week of prep, they don't stand a chance in hell. This is a spite match
Anything done by Lobo is to not be taken seriously. He's a parody character and pretty much anything he has done can be considered non-canon.
I don't think you can just dismiss a characters feats because there a joke character. The rules don't say that.
Durability of Nth Metal and Adamantium is pointless in this fight. Slade has prep, end of story. Slade can precisely time his attack to stop Flash, which he doesn't need prep for. Death isn't required for this fight, it's Death or KO. All Slade needs to do is attack one nerve to shut down Wolverine's body. As for Ravager, if she is working with daddy, she is either forced or drugged, in this case she would have to be drugged. Crazy Rose has Spidey Sense on crack, Laura won't be able to touch her. Not to mention Rose is the superior fighter.
He has prep but he is only limited to the gear he has in the OP. If he was allowed to bring more gear it would be a game changer but since he can't I don't see it that way. And your assuming Rose is drugged when again the OP doesn't say that...There could be any number of reasons they are working together. But this isn't a comic so we don't focus on the details. We are trying to gauge what Slade and Rose are like on average.
Without prep, Team Logan would barely squeeze a victory at best, with prep, let alone a week of prep, they don't stand a chance in hell. This is a spite match
It is if the OP allows deathstroke to bring additional gear he stomps. I never denied that. But I don't think thats what the OP intended...Could be wrong.
@e3zombie said:
@jashro44: @Strider92:
It could be two things,
1: The writers let his armor break to make him less over powerful
Assuming Rose has her adrenaline and can use that to amp her precog still; then team Wilson curbstomp. Deathstroke is a powerhouse in his own right, and giving Rose her ability to constantly see approx. 5 seconds into the future makes her extremely powerful against street-levelers.
@Stronger:That is the Nyth metal armor. There are examples of deathstrokes armor being broken. The only time I can think of when wolverines skull broke was the time hulk stabbed him with his own claws.
I don't think you can just dismiss a characters feats because there a joke character. The rules don't say that.
Yeah I can, it's PIS. When the only one who has achieved such a feat is a joke character, I won't take it seriously and will dismiss it. That's the logical thing to do.
@jashro44 said:
And your assuming Rose is drugged when again the OP doesn't say that...There could be any number of reasons they are working together. But this isn't a comic so we don't focus on the details. We are trying to gauge what Slade and Rose are like on average.
It's a perfectly logical assumption. Unless there was a heavy storyline need for Rose to work with Slade, she wouldn't. There is nothing that suggests she is willingly working for him and it's safe to assume she is being drugged.
I'm pretty sure I said IF Team Deathstroke had prep and Rose was drugged this is a curbstomp. Otherwise it's 50/50. Probably more 55/45 Team Deathstroke as they are superior in almost everyway and you only need KO to win this match. Without prep and drugs and this being death-only then I'd definitely put my money on Team Logan, but this not being the case that opinion doesn't matter.
Yeah I can, it's PIS. When the only one who has achieved such a feat is a joke character, I won't take it seriously and will dismiss it. That's the logical thing to do.
Lobo is not the only character. Deadborn cracked the helmet as well.
It's a perfectly logical assumption. Unless there was a heavy storyline need for Rose to work with Slade, she wouldn't. There is nothing that suggests she is willingly working for him and it's safe to assume she is being drugged.
In battle forums we don't worry about the why characters are teamed up. This isn't a comic so we don't need a reason. We assume character are the way they normally are but fighting to the best of there abilities.
I'm pretty sure I said IF Team Deathstroke had prep and Rose was drugged this is a curbstomp. Otherwise it's 50/50. Probably more 55/45 Team Deathstroke as they are superior in almost everyway and you only need KO to win this match. Without prep and drugs and this being death-only then I'd definitely put my money on Team Logan, but this not being the case that opinion doesn't matter.
They do have prep they are just limited to what the OP has provided. I don't see Slade KO'ing wolverine before wolverine puts him down, not the most familiar with Ravagar but I believe with morals on she will struggle to drop X-23 as well.
Yeah I can, it's PIS. When the only one who has achieved such a feat is a joke character, I won't take it seriously and will dismiss it. That's the logical thing to do.
Lobo is not the only character. Deadborn cracked the helmet as well.
Didn't actually know that. That changes my opinion on the matter then. As for the other stuff, I can't really abide by that. The characters are not 100% true then. It's not in Rose's character to work willingly with her father, so I believe you need to keep that since it's an important part of her character. It is as important as Superman's unwillingness to cause unneeded destruction to the surrounding area or bring danger to innocent people. He always holds back and that's in his character so with a match of Superman that takes place in a city, you need to count that in or otherwise it's not really Superman who is fighting.
On Rose's willingness to hurt Laura, that's not a problem. Often in Teen Titans, Wonder Girl would reprimand Rose for going too far, she was far too afraid that Rose is all too eager to kill and this is a non-drugged Rose, As for Slade vs Logan, Slade is stronger, faster, smarter, and uses his fighting skills more effectively. Slade doesn't really need prep to get down Wolverine's timing. If Deathstroke can perfectly time a strike on Flash, then Wolverine can go down just as easily.
Didn't actually know that. That changes my opinion on the matter then. As for the other stuff, I can't really abide by that. The characters are not 100% true then. It's not in Rose's character to work willingly with her father, so I believe you need to keep that since it's an important part of her character. It is as important as Superman's unwillingness to cause unneeded destruction to the surrounding area or bring danger to innocent people. He always holds back and that's in his character so with a match of Superman that takes place in a city, you need to count that in or otherwise it's not really Superman who is fighting.
We respect the character as much as we can.
This is what k4tzm4n said when he was asked a similar question:
I tend to assume that enemy teammates aren't forced to work together, but they aren't allowed to purposely attack one another.
SO basically I believe we are suppose to assume they wont help each other, but they wont attack each other either.
On Rose's willingness to hurt Laura, that's not a problem. Often in Teen Titans, Wonder Girl would reprimand Rose for going too far, she was far too afraid that Rose is all too eager to kill and this is a non-drugged Rose,
Is she willing to do it right off the bat?
As for Slade vs Logan, Slade is stronger, faster, smarter, and uses his fighting skills more effectively. Slade doesn't really need prep to get down Wolverine's timing. If Deathstroke can perfectly time a strike on Flash, then Wolverine can go down just as easily.
Wolverine some times does neglect his skill, he does seem to use it against skilled fighters when he realizes the healing factor isn't enough. And I do believe wolverine is more skilled. Tagging the Flash is mostly due to the flash not moving at his fastest speeds (if he did he would blitz slade). Also this is post flashpoint Slade so he technically hasn't tagged the flash.
@Stronger:That is the Nyth metal armor. There are examples of deathstrokes armor being broken. The only time I can think of when wolverines skull broke was the time hulk stabbed him with his own claws.
@Strider92 said:
@Stronger: Yes it is. He even says it in one of the issues. I'll find the scan.
wolverine can hang with slade in every way and he is much more experinced and if lobo broke deathstroke's new armor then wolverine will get through as well and once he does deathstroke is dead i would say wolverine's combat speed is just as good and wolverine is even more skilled it may not be shown well in the way he attacks but in feats it shows. batman is more skilled the deathstroke.
wolverine has embarrased every fighter type character in marvel beating ironfist and shangchi at the same time and he barley broke a sweat he has every known fighting style basicly programed in his head and is the most dangerous man on marvel earth slade is good but wolverine is better where deathstroke does have strength and a speed it's not by a big enough margin to beat wolverine.
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