@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:
actually it's a little odd that Mikaboshi absorbed 98% of multiverse when all events where only universal. my personal view is : that panel where Amadus Sho said it's 98% of multiverse without any background or evidence is a PIS. i think Mikaboshi absobed 98% of the universe.
Well we can say its odd, but Cho at that time was like the smartest dude and his statement should count. Furthermore, this is also validated to some extent by Obvilion himself during Thor Annual 01.
Also the whole point in writing Chaos War was to make it bigger than Infinity Gauntlet, so 98% of multiverse does seem within his power level.
@Driger said:
Phoenix is creator of LIFE. the greatest possible creation.
There is actually no proof of this, furthermore, its still not a valid feat in a debating website. Its that she lacks feats .
oblivion is multiversal. Phoenix is omniversal because everybody in omniverse except true god needs lifeforce to survive. and phoenix is the only source of life force has been saw so far.
Obvilion instance is a little iffy, Obvilion himself "claims" to be there before the multiversal, the bio says he is universal and states that he "claimed' to be multiversal. Furthermore, the 4 cosmic compass are meant to be on the same power level, thats how a universe is balanced, if the balance apart the universe is doom, that is what happened during Marvel: The End. Eternity, Infinity and Death, 3 other part of the compass are universal concept.
So in essence Obvilion "power" likely is multiverse as pretty much ever Abstract's is. Origin universal.
Phoenix force isnt omniversal has never been. I gave you the reason in the other thread, i even showed you an instance where Phoenix Force in the mangaverse had died without life anywhere in the multiverse , even mangaverse being affected. There is nothing in bio or scans ever attributing Phoenix force as the creator of life force.
More imporant, its not origin we are debating its power. Phoenix force best feat is destroying an entire universe, twice , in 2 What IF story arc. Thats her best feat. Attributing her omniversal power based on character hyperbole with clear lack of feat is foolhardy.
your bio said that phoenix is multiversal. but it also said it is ommnipotent. both of these are not possible at the same time. omnipotent means one can do anything. even if she is not omniversal still it can turn itself into omniversal
I explained the both to you the other thread are well. Marvel has level of infinity, the whole question Kubik answered Kosmos was, we are all powerful (aka Omnipotent) so why should we worry about anything else. Thats where Kubik explains Kosmos that there are level of infinity, and despite them being omnipotent on their own right, there are powers beyond them, Celestial. Those would be a level of omnipotent above their own.
Also everything here what you have presented is pure speculation without feats or anything concrete to prove it. That is what people what in a thread, a feat. You dont have to be able to show scans, you can name feat and story arc. A lack of feat, many clear defeats by beings far below even universal powers, certainly undermines her being omnipotent or powerful enough to beat true abstracts beings.
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