@felgrim: I think the big problem is that the AoT "peak humans" are nothing to Marvel/DC peak humans.
Normal street levelers in comics can basically react at the speed of sound, due to the fact they dodge and react to bullets on a daily basis
Eren has bullet timing feats. Both of them have FTE feats.
1. Eren Dodging Cannon fire from behind, while in the middle of combat (Soldiers thought they had just missed)
2. Eren blocking cannon fire to his nape(these are relatively modern cannons, not the ones from the anime)
3-4. Eren Blocking attack to his nape point blank during the time frame of a titan shift
5-6. Armored Titan moving FTE to Beast Titan when getting attack by Navy Artillery.
The standard soldiers of AoT are currently capable of moving high speeds, in three dimensions while aim dodging multiple Machine Guns
Don't know where this thought that AoT characters are slow comes from.
And all people acknowledge that, but this still doesn't change the fact that modern guns>>>cannons in terms of projectile speed
Fair point. But Eren was fighting another major threat and had his feet impaled when he dodged those. And was still FTE to the soldiers.
Could you perhaps show me the pages before those? Because all I see is him holding his hands to protect him, especially in the occassion 3-4. Also what speed did this attack even have?
Page 2 was just the cannons firing a second time. Page 4 was just showcasing that he blocked the attack from scan 3. Scan 3 played out as such/
As for the speed of a titan shifting. It may have been discussed but I don't recall where or if it actually happened, plus what the details were. It's pretty fast though.
Moving FTE to bullet timers>>> moving FTE to people who can only see cannonballs
Fair point, I just think the greater than is a bit excessive in this case.
Something every mid-class street leveler does, without the need for gear. Heck street leveler in the higher class can actually react to automatic fire and those are the levels Logan and Wade operate on
Right now there is nothing impressive compared to comic street levelers
It's not like they need the gear to aim dodge. It's just being utilized for maneuverability around buildings. And these are the mid class streets of Attack on Titan. They're generic soldiers.
And no I didn't think the feats would be impressive to street levelers. Just relatable enough that I don't think the speed advantage is so impressive that a statement like this
Basically every street leveler around Wolverines level could take out like 90% of the verse, the only obstacles could be the armored ones. I mean imagine what would happen, if you put Hawkeye and Green Arrow on the wall with their equipment.
should be considered accurate.
Well, that's up for discussion. I mean a normal handgun bullet has the speed of sound, some of them faster or slower depending on the ammunition, but the fact that bullets are faster than cannonballs makes this IMO right, because the have to have speed over Mach 1 (combat/reaction speed, not movement speed) to move FTE to a bullet timer
They're not cannonballs. That's what I was trying to say beside the description of the second scan. These are relatively modern cannons compared to the ones used by Military in the first half.
They use standard artillery. Cannons since WW 2 have been mach speed+. Cannon Balls, yes are a bit slower. But these aren't cannons using cannon balls. They're specialized "Anti-Titan Field Gun" cannons using Piercing ammunition. Again trained soldiers didn't even notice Eren Dodge the projectiles.
As for this statement, Arrow and Hawkeye are faster, with better reflexes, extreme precision and high rate of fire. They would be extremly effective in targeting and hitting necks. And then count in bombs, acid and other things they have. As for the rest, a normal DC/Marvel street leveler is above the level of their troops. If you put them in the respective positions, it would be a complete different story
I meant specifically "Basically every street leveler around Wolverines level could take out like 90% of the verse" Now if you're just talking about the mindless titans that roam the land. Then 1st off. it's still not possible as that's more land to cover than 1 person can humanly accomplish unless the funneled into one area and even then unlikely that's like hundreds upon hundreds of enemies, if not thousands. 2ndly it's not that impressive a gap created.as you'd think. As by the second part of the manga the survey squad had killed every mindless roaming titan. However when I think of the "verse" I'm generally considering at the very minimum named characters. Green arrow and Hawkeye couldn't solo the survey squad. And again i was considering their average troop. Levi, a top tier non titan shifting character, is an actual bullet timer
3rdly. No matter how you chop it up the mindless roaming titans do not comprise of 90% of the verse. You have human fodder by itself, human soldiers, and then top tier characters. Several of them. You need Gorgon/Serious Spider-man level characters to solo the verse or get anywhere close.
Which is a difference IMO. Take persons like Daredevil. They perform the same thing mid-air completely on their own without needing gear to maneuver
That's more a feat of maneuverability and flexibility though, not really reflexes, and thus not really relevant to the speed discussion. Regardless. People with 3D Maneurver gear have much more maneuverability than any character who's grounded.
They don't need to touch the ground and thus, their air maneuverability is only really comparable to people who can fly, websling, teleport, etc.
Green arrow and Hawkeye couldn't solo the survey squad. And again i was considering their average troop. Levi, a top tier non titan shifting character, is an actual bullet timer
So you say characters that are bullet timers, tangle with and hit bullet-timers are not be able to hit their average troops, because their top-tiers can react to single shots?
Fun fact, basically every comic street leveler does it and both Logan and Deadpool are faster than the persons shown below
1.) Punisher ducking away from gunfire
2.) Moon Knight accurately cuts a bullet
3.) Old Man Hawkeye swings a man into gunfire to protect himself
That's more a feat of maneuverability and flexibility though, not really reflexes, and thus not really relevant to the speed discussion. Regardless. People with 3D Maneurver gear have much more maneuverability than any character who's grounded.
Excuse me, but what the hell are you talking about? They need the gear to get the speed and maneuverability to do so, the comic characters perform those feats without gear.
1.) Hawkeye aim dodging multiple gunmen
2.)Moon Knight doing the same
If anything, I could go and argue that the 3D gear aim-dodging you've shown is actually less impressive, since they dodge the movement of a mounted weapon, which move slower than normal humans...
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