DC's Best Street Level Fighters Run The Gauntlet

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#1 Edited by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

DC's Best Street Level Fighters

Batman, Cassandra Cain, Lady Shiva, Prometheus (Original)
Batman, Cassandra Cain, Lady Shiva, Prometheus (Original)

The Rules:

  • DC is Post-Crisis/Post Flashpoint
  • Marvel is 616
  • No one gets any gear, but Prometheus has his helmet
  • Everyone's stats are equalized to Batman Level
  • Are fully healed every round
  • In character
  • Basic Knowledge (Wikipedia Page)
  • Instead of saying they "stop at", just say who the teams win against and who they lose against. With what difficulty.
  • Reasons for your answers would be preferable

The Gauntlet

  1. Round 1: Black Widow, Black Canary, Lady Bullseye, Bane
  2. Round 2: Elektra, Red Hood, Ra's Al Ghul, Karnak
  3. Round 3: Daredevil, Nightwing, Deathstroke, Captain America
  4. Round 4: Black Panther, Richard Dragon, Shang Chi, The Cat
  5. Round 5: Taskmaster, The Sensei, Conner Hawke, Iron Fist

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#2 Posted by SuperGoku17 (7220 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn that team is so good.

DC clear this though not easily and round 2 and 3 will be hard.

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#3 Posted by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

Callouts

Batman:

@batman242@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek@jayc1324@616vulture@patrat18@digitalshooter9@granitesoldier@wolverine08@cadencev2@comicace3@frisky4@fetts@comicdude360@ancient_0f_days@monsterstomp@cable_extreme@jokerpoker@jmarshmallow@god_spawn@super_soldierxii@pr0metheus@thitiki@dagmar_merrill@ssj_god@demonknights@godzilla44@colliderz@darkseid1006@matchesmalone21@jackjack390@rexorr@jgames@darthaznable@newcomer@the_real_seaman@bullettimer@indomitableregal@hollow_point@wastelandman@dygoboy@jucaslucasa@jrupert1@kingcurry30@onepieceverse@thekinfing@batman3000@lanniblehecter@sanitrize1999@tinyford@darthjhawk@chronicplane@causeimbatman@all-father@elijah_c_washington

Batgirl:

@sync1@funsiized@pokeysteve@theorder14@thitiki@demonknights@comicdude360@jonez120@indomitableregal@koays@batman3000 @warlockmage@jedixman

Lady Shiva:

@chimeroid@batman3000

Prometheus:

@pr0metheus@matchesmalone21@elijah_c_washington

Black Widow:

@fetts@dagmar_merrill@jaycool2@educated

Black Canary:

@pokeysteve@granitesoldier@sync1@higorm@indomitableregal @lubub55 @warlockmage@geekryan

Lady Bullseye:

@owie@jaycool2@educated

Bane:

@nighthunder@god_spawn@zeroplus@demonknights@koays@elderskaar@oceanmaster21@ninjawarrior268@indomitableregal@darth_wayne@batman3000@onepieceverse@foxerdes

Elektra:

@owie@pokeysteve@jaycool2@educated@thedeathstroke@all-father@zemoftw@chronicplane

Red Hood:

@sync1@funsiized@god_spawn@pr0metheus@thitiki@transformers1024@allstarsuperman@koays@comicdude360@thenewbluebeetle007@artyom@sirneko@the_real_seaman@indomitableregal@blackestnight93@elijah_c_washingt

Ra's Al Ghul:

@foxerdes

Karnak:

@jaycool2@educated@rac95

Daredevil:

@serrure@patrat18@comicstooge@wolverine08@14nc3@god_spawn@digitalshooter9@super_soldierxii@monsterstomp@jayc1324@misterwhisper@thor_parker82@ghostravage@pipxeroth@the_real_seaman@indomitableregal@hollow_point@beatboks1@jrupert1@oceanmaster21@onepieceverse @lubub55@jaycool2@blackestnight93@educated@all-father@zemoftw

Nightwing:

@serrure@sync1@granitesoldier@cable_extreme@patrat18@god_spawn@granitesoldier@thitiki@comicdude360@jackjack390@oceanmaster21@artyom@nighthunder@the_real_seaman@indomitableregal@kingcurry30@batman3000@onepieceverse@chronicplane@thedeathstroke@all-father@zemoftw@red_leader

Deathstroke:

@dondave@nico4ever@fetts@jmarshmallow@funsiized@cable_extreme@demonknights@themagicstik@granitesoldier@supernategames@patrat18@deathstroke19@super_soldierxii@jayc1324@oni_bane@jokerpoker@godzilla44@colliderz@c

Captain America:

@i_like_swords@progenitor@veshark@wolverine08@patrat18@cosmicallyaware1@cable_extreme@god_spawn@super_soldierxii@jokerpoker@thor_parker82@oceanmaster21@supremegeneration@the_real_seaman@indomitableregal@hollow_point@darth_wayne@captain_inverse@lubub55@onepieceverse@jaycool2 @jedixman@warlockmage@chronicplane@depinhom@jedixman@conner_wolf@king_hellstorm

Black Panther:

@serrure@dondave@veshark@jmarshmallow@dagmar_merrill@comicstooge@king_stranglehold_da_first@wolverine08@14nc3@fallschirmjager@super_soldierxii@thitiki@darkseid1006@comicdude360@ironshinobi88@no_one_expects_the_silver_surf@the_r

Connor Hawke:

@sync1@pr0metheus@onepieceverse@lubub55

Shang Chi:

@shenkuei@highaccuser@supremegeneration@jrupert1@jaycool2@educated

Taskmaster:

@ghostravage@beaconofstrength@darthaznable@cosmicallyaware1@frisky4@pipxeroth@bullettimer@kingcurry30@jaycool2@educated@rac95

Iron Fist:

@serrure@wolverine08@cdiddyman911@cable_extreme@deadpoolvironfist@super_soldierxii@thitiki@dagmar_merrill@elderskaar@ironshinobi88No_one_expects_the_Silver_Surfer@hollow_point@beatboks1@jrupert1@lord-parallax@jaycool2@educated@blackestnight93@rac95@all-father@blackpantherisb

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#4 Posted by Stalin-Is-Steel (3586 posts) - - Show Bio

They beat round 1 and 2 with little trouble.

3 and 4 are slightly harder and I could see them having some problems.

5 is the round in which they don't get through. Tony's already a handful. Sensei could KO someone here, given how he made a chump out of Wayne, but a extended fight will tire him out. Fist and Hawke added make this the round they don't clear, not without some lucky shots.

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#5 Posted by Darthjhawk (5692 posts) - - Show Bio

Could’ve added Mister X in here somewhere.

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#6 Edited by Standardized (1502 posts) - - Show Bio

Clears with some difficulty.

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#7 Posted by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthjhawk: Don’t know enough about him. Tho I’m planning to read up on him. Which rounds do you think the team wins and loses?

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#8 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Nightwing should be that high up. That being said, I can't see them getting past 3.

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#9 Edited by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

@all-father: Eh. Dick has given Deathstroke a good fight, despite Slade having solidly better physicals. Only way for Dick to do that is if he’s solidly more skilled than Deathstroke. But what makes you think the team stops at 3?

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#10 Posted by ITouchedTheBoat (3663 posts) - - Show Bio

with stats equaled out, I can see them winning every round.

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#11 Posted by Darthjhawk (5692 posts) - - Show Bio

@causeimbatman: Stats being equalized carries them a long way. They could likely clear. I’ll have to think more on it.

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#12 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@causeimbatman: Didn't see the stats equalised part. If so they should stop at 5.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Deathstroke beat Nightwing like 7 or 8 times and Dick only has 2 or 3 good performances against him?

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#13 Posted by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

@all-father: AFAIK they’ve had 3 “real” fights. Grayson managed to match him due to superior speed, acrobatics and skill, in every one of them.

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#14 Posted by Conner_Wolf (6380 posts) - - Show Bio

Karnak could feasibly be an issue, but I don't think anyone else really measure up in that round.

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#15 Posted by SirNeko (4397 posts) - - Show Bio

DC probably clears

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#16 Posted by blackpantherisb (7573 posts) - - Show Bio

They probably stop at four, other than that they clear though.

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#17 Posted by Chimeroid (9270 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think Nightwing should be that high up. That being said, I can't see them getting past 3.

Really? I mean, he has defeated Red Hood while severely weakened, and is thus above him. And, i will finish my CaV post tomorrow probably and you will see why he definitely deserves to be in the same tier DD is.

Ot - Team clears. No gear means Cassandra will be slaughtering people here

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#18 Posted by Pokeysteve (12032 posts) - - Show Bio

They can clear but they'll take losses at 3,4 and 5. Cool fight.

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#19 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (17202 posts) - - Show Bio

Not bad at all, they're gonna have the most trouble on round 5 obviously but lets say Shiva takes out Conner Hawke like she did before, the others are definitely gonna be able to last that long against their respective opponents...as long as that happens, whoever has Shiva fighting with them is going to have an advantage and win their fights and snowball to victory.

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#20 Edited by ANTHP2000 (30288 posts) - - Show Bio

3 upwards is a challenge (not really knowledgeable on RD and the Cat), but I could see them clearing.

EDIT: Unarmed, I picture them stopping at 4 with 3 being a brutal fight.

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#21 Edited by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Richard Dragon has mastered every fighting discipline and gave Conner Hawke a good fight, although Shiva did beat Dragon in a decent fight. The Cat has matched Shang Chi.

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#22 Posted by ANTHP2000 (30288 posts) - - Show Bio

@causeimbatman:

So it's basically 4 opponents about as skilled as Bruce.

CC and Shiva should be above anyone there in h2h, and Prometheus is more or less a peer/comparable to Bruce. They can beat 4.

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#23 Posted by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: You think Shiva is more skilled than Batman? It was stated in their fight during Batman #427 that they’re equally skilled.

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#24 Posted by ANTHP2000 (30288 posts) - - Show Bio

@causeimbatman:

Do you have the scan? I think she was consistently written to be his superior in regards to martial arts ability.

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#25 Posted by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: Here

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I think she was consistently written to be his superior in regards to martial arts ability.

Why do you think so?

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#29 Posted by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

@anthp2000: She trained him when he lost a lot of his skill during Knightfall due to Bane breaking his back, and she only retaught Cass move reading. Essentially, she gave him some training to regain his skill. But I don’t see how that portrays Shiva as more skilled.

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#31 Posted by IndomitableRegal (17313 posts) - - Show Bio

They could conceivably clear every round.

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#32 Posted by SUNMAN (8609 posts) - - Show Bio

does Black Canary have her scream?

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#33 Edited by mrb1p (324 posts) - - Show Bio

They get wrecked in round two Karnak wrecks, the other three have enough skills to hang.

Edit: just saw the stats equalized... what does equalizing stats achieve here? ... its basically whoever knows more fighting tactics? Meh. Boring.

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#34 Posted by Adam_Taurus (766 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 4 or stops hard at 5. No freaking way those guys are getting past Taskmaster and current Iron Fist

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#35 Posted by jrupert1 (1543 posts) - - Show Bio

Could lose to either round 4 or 5, could also clear. Round 3 gives them problems and might lose one or two fighters before winning. Round 2, Karnak might be a problem if they can't take him out quickly. Round 1 seems pretty straightforward.

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#36 Posted by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid:

I mean, he has defeated Red Hood while severely weakened, and is thus above him.

Wasn't really referring to Jason.

And, i will finish my CaV post tomorrow probably and you will see why he definitely deserves to be in the same tier DD is.

Even tho i do not believe that is true, you did manage to beat Thor using Aquaman so i could be convinced.

Ot - Team clears. No gear means Cassandra will be slaughtering people here

They aren't clearing and Cassandra is not slaughtering either Iron Fist or Tony.

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#37 Posted by Chimeroid (9270 posts) - - Show Bio

@all-father:

Wasn't really referring to Jason.

I know, but, if you are clearly above someone that is in the second step of the gauntlet, you should be in the third. At least that makes sense to me.

Even tho i do not believe that is true, you did manage to beat Thor using Aquaman so i could be convinced.

What exactly do you believe Daredevil truly has over Nightwing? I mean, sure, he has the radar sense, but everything else is dead equal when it comes to stats and skill. In fact, Nightwing has better strength feats.

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#38 Posted by Apocofist (3028 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Don't you think that DD has superior reflexes and a slight edge in agility?

On topic:

Im not familiar with Sensei and only have surface-level knowledge on Hawke but Im positive that either Iron Fist or Tony could beat or match anyone from team DC. Especially Danny.

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#39 Posted by Chimeroid (9270 posts) - - Show Bio

@all-father: Also, I think Cassie would beat Iron Fist too. She is too fast and her body reading could be too much for Iron Fist. ON the other hand, Udon Taskmaster would win. But i don't see an unarmed Taskmaster beating Cassie ever.

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#40 Posted by Chimeroid (9270 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Don't you think that DD has superior reflexes and a slight edge in agility?

On topic:

Im not familiar with Sensei and only have surface-level knowledge on Hawke but Im positive that either Iron Fist or Tony could beat or match anyone from team DC. Especially Danny.

DD has awesome reflexes, but i don't think he is actually superior. To my knowledge, he has never "blitzed" a high-street tier. On the other hand, Nightwing has straight up overwhelmed Deathstroke with his speed and has fought speedsters. So, no, i don't really believe Daredevil would hold a significant edge in speed.

And, no, Daredevil is not, in the slightest, more agile than Nightwing. Nightwing is literally the best acrobat in the DCU and he can definitely replicate any agility feat Matt can put out.

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#41 Posted by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio
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#42 Posted by BruceRogers (17769 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Damn must..resist..the..urge to counter you. I would rather do it in our CAV :D

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#43 Posted by The_Badman (2725 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 5. Sensei would beat anyone on DC team easily. Also, none of the fighters in "DC's best street levelers" are in the top 5 most skilled DC fighters except Cassandra, who's at 5.

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#44 Posted by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_badman: What’s your ranking of most skilled DC Streets?

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#45 Posted by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

@apocofist: Sensei was curbstomping Batman. However, his stamina only allows him to last a minute in a fight. Hawke curbstomped The Bamboo Monkey (who has curbstomped Nightwing And Tim Drake at the same time) and gave Lady Shiva an excellent fight.

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#46 Posted by The_Badman (2725 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_badman: What’s your ranking of most skilled DC Streets?

Top 5? Here goes:

  1. Karate Kid
  2. Artemis of Bana-Mighdall
  3. Sensei
  4. Constantine Drakon
  5. Cassandra
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#47 Posted by Chimeroid (9270 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Damn must..resist..the..urge to counter you. I would rather do it in our CAV :D

Well, you don't have to make a huge counter. But, if Matt has feats of Blitzing unarmed street tiers on the tier we are speaking of in this thread, feel free to post them. Or if he has agility feats Nightwing wouldn't be able to replicate. It would help me out to make preemptive counters :P

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#48 Edited by deactivated-5b0ff1f569a57 (4213 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_badman: I don’t consider Karate Kid to be street tier..what makes you th8nk Artemis is so skilled? don’t know about Drakon but Sensei is way more skilled than Bruce, Cassie, Shiva and Prometheus. So it would have been unbalanced to have him on DC team

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#49 Posted by BruceRogers (17769 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid: Nah I think I would wait for the CAV. Because I dont think either of us will change our mind without a huge post lol.

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#50 Edited by deactivated-5b2121a0a9a00 (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@chimeroid:

What exactly do you believe Daredevil truly has over Nightwing?

Skill, combat and reaction speed by a long shot.

but everything else is dead equal when it comes to stats

Ehh, maybe.

In fact, Nightwing has better strength feats.

Daredevil does not utilize strength in his fighting style.

. She is too fast

She isn't fast for Danny, not at all.

and her body reading could be too much for Iron Fist.

Dannys drunken fighting style was unreadable to Mister X, a low level telepath who humiliated Taskmaster. Add that to the fact that Danny has equal (if not superior skill) and better striking power and blunt force durability, she shouldn't be too much for him at all.

But i don't see an unarmed Taskmaster beating Cassie ever.

He can replicate any and every move she does. Add that to the countless fighting styles he already knows (Captain America, Daredevil, Elektra, Black Widow, Deadpool), she doesn't stand a chance against Tony armed or unarmed.