DCEU Trinity vs. Dumbledore, Voldemort, and Grindelwald

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• Fight in Asgard
• 1 day of prep time, full knowledge
• Win by any means
• In character

Who wins?

Trinity. The wizards will be moving in slow-motion to Diana and statues to Clark.

Still the trinity.

But no!! They will stay invisible the entire fight!!!!

Supes blitzes

@chaos239: We can continue here.

Superman (Assuming DCEU here) could hear Lois banging concrete while underwater over Diana fighting Doomsday and HP invisibility spells don't account for sounds.

Useless since Clark will just slap them before they process a thought.

• The Muffliato charm can be used to fill the ears of any nearby individual with a buzzing sound, preventing him/her from hearing
• The Quitening charm can be used to quieten sounds

Superman won't be able to see or hear the wizards.

Bruce has went through much more traumatic things than Harry.

Like? The only traumatic experience Batman had was seeing his parents killed. Harry not only witnessed his parents murdered, but also his uncle, his mentor, numerous friends, and his pet.

Also, since when does trauma equal willpower?

Is that before Clark slaps them into paste?

Yes. I'm confident that Clark won't slap them into paste in the first three seconds of the fight when he cannot see or hear them.

Considering he could hear them and just drop an apartment building sized rock on them...

He doesn't know that are there, and even if he did, he would also flatten Batman and Wonder Woman. If those two can get out of the way, the wizards can definitely apparate out... or turn the rock into a bird... or shrink the rock to the size of a pebble... or slow it down and simply walk out of the way.

Clark rams right through the fake Doomsday or Lex Luthor, Bruce dodges their attacks and kills them no matter what not to mention the Time Turner is OOC, Clark oneshots them and the Boggart instantly, they will all be dead.

A boggart turns into an individual's worst fear. Doomsday and Lex aren't Clark's worst fear. It will either turn into kryptonite, or a dead Louis or something. If it's the kryptonite, it will still have a weakening affect on Clark, considering that it was able to replicate the powers of a Dementor (not to the full extent, but still enough to make Harry black out). If it's Louis, the distraction will be more than enough for the wizards to either use the time turner or surprise Clark with a spell from behind.

@ifrankthetank28: ^

With full knowledge and 1 day of prep, they should find a way to avoid the blitz and turn the Trinity into cockroaches.

It's true though.

Also, haven't seen JL yet, but instantly blitzing for the kill doesn't seem like something they'd do.

With the Bat prep and knowledge to all of them. Well If we are going in for the kills then the wizards would want to use the killing curses but DC has the speed and Superman can literally speed blitz all three, and Diana can just block their attacks. Also Vold dies before the battle. prep and knowledge they find all the Hogcroxes and destroy them. Which then leaves only two members right off the bat.

@ifrankthetank28:

Yeah, I wonder why voldy didn't stay invisible in the entire fight against harry or do anything that you said he can do against the trinity.

The main reason Voldy didn't stay invisible against Hogwarts is plot, which we should disregard in a debate. But if you're not satisfied with that answer, wizards can easily counter cloaking spells with magic of their own, something that the trinity does not have.

And what do the wizards have to counter 9,000 ton super sonic punches?

Same thing. Superman can't punch what he can't see.

The way I see it, the wizards have more of a shot in winning this, purely because of prep. They can avoid a head on exchange, in which case they'd get their heads blitzed off, and they have more than enough hax, defensive prowess and tools to take out the Trinity (let's not act as if low level bullet timing is completely out of the wizards' speed tier either).

This.

Your points about muffling super man's ears are decent, but have those spells ever worked on someone with super hearing? If it didn't it is an NLF. And the spell that shows supes his worst fear wouldn't work. It would have nowhere near the same effect that kryptonite would have if it was close to superman, and since it is technically not real, I am not even sure it would effect superman...

lol either supes or ww blitz and decap.

I'm sure Superman will be less affected than regular humans, but it will still muffle his hearing to some degree. As for the quietening charm, it is sometimes used to fully counter the amplifying charm, which allowed Voldemort to be heard across the entire Hogwarts. These two charms combined should be more than enough to prevent Clark from hearing something as quiet as a heartbeat.

As for the boggart, it's not a spell - it's a creature that comes out of the closet and turns into your worst fear. When Harry trained to counter real Dementors with the Patronus charm, Lupin made him practice on a boggart, considering that it was able to replicate the Dementor's life-sucking abilities. It wasn't as powerful as a real Dementor, but enough to make Harry lose consciousness and break through his patronus shield. If the boggart turns into kryptonite, Superman will still be weakened, just somewhat less than when faced with the real thing.

Considering that Dumbledore is much smarter than me, he can think of at least that:

• Use prep to obtain the invisibility cloak, felix felicis, a boggart, and maybe a time turner. Before the battle starts, they all take the Felix Felicis, one of them puts on the cloak, and the other two either cast camouflage spells, or turn into small animals. Put the boggart in a closet on the battlefield. Cast muffliato spells on the battlefield, and quietening charms on themselves.

• When the trinity comes, unleash the boggart. He will turn into their worst fears, acting as a perfect distraction. If they can obtain a time turner with prep, turn back time to when Superman was weakened by Batman's kryptonite, when Batman was off guard in the Wayne mansion, and when Diana was K.O.ed by Superman's head-butt. If the time-tuner is unattainable, they wizards will use the boggart's distraction to shoot some spells. The wizards know the limits of their magic and whether it will work on Clark and Diana, so they will choose the spells that will. Some options are Imperio (mind-control may work on everyone), Sectumsempra (cutting will work on Diana and Bruce), Impedimenta (neutralizes Clark and Diana's speed), and of course, transfiguration.

Anyone got counters?

1.) I could argue that this is actually a bad thing... Is supes just going to stand there when the kryptonite comes lashing at him? None of the wizards have a chance of catching superman if he flies away for a temporary regroup, as he has reached speeds up to mach 900+. The wizards flight capabilities, if I recall, were at about 100 miles per hour. If superman flies way, this will open them up to a blitz severely worse than what they could previously encounter.

2.)Good point here, but are they going to do all of these things at once? Do they know the exact time these events happened at?

3.) I am pretty sure you can overcome imperio by willpower, and supes and diana have great willpower feats that would allow them to easily overpower this curse.

If humans can't percieve apparation, but a knife thrown by a witch using no magic can cross about a meter to tag it AFTER it started, I'm fairly positive that, with bat prep accounted for, Clark can make a dust devil and then Diana can one shot everyone once the dust gets on them.

Trinity due to speed.

Superman one-shots.

As I said in the other thread, the wizards win due to prep and versatility. Anyone who says otherwise must know close to nothing about the HP-verse.

@ifrankthetank28: you must know close to nothing about the HP-verse...

1) It isn't specified otherwise, therefore, I'm going to assume it is the standard versions of all characters. Which means Voldemort has his Horcruxes, which would need to be known, located, and destroyed through magical means in order to kill Voldemort.

2) Since they are aware of everyone's weaknesses, that means they will know about Kryptonite. Kryptonite can be created through transfiguration. That means they can take a rock and transfigure it into another element, AKA Kryptonite. They could easily create massive amounts of Kryptonite this way.

3) The day of prep can be used to gather fodder: giants, statues, Death Eaters, etc. Obviously the fodder wouldn't be a huge threat but would serve as distractions.

4) You're underestimating the strength of shields. Four wizards made this large and powerful of a shield in minutes, and it withstood hundreds of SHIELD-PENETRATING SPELLS. It took Voldemort's power and the Elder Wand to destroy it, and the amount of energy needed to do so was so massive that it cracked the most powerful wand in existence. A shield by the 3 most powerful wizards ever would be much stronger.

5) This same shield disintegrated people on contact. Although Superman has superhuman durability, this is a magical effect, not a physical one. And again, a shield by the 3 most powerful wizards to ever live would be even stronger.

6) As @bladeoffury pointed out, they could start the fight invisible (through spells and the Invisibility Cloak), they could acquire and use Felix Felicis (luck potion), and could acquire a time turner, which would allow them to go back in time, catch them by surprise, and kill them off one at a time.

7) Since all powers are allowed, this would allow for the use of the Imperius Curse (to control their minds and turn them against each other) and the Killing Curse (to instant kill).

8) All 3 wizards are capable of apparating, AKA teleporting. This teleportation happens instantaneously. It would allow them to avoid attacks and reposition.

9) What are they going to do against Superman's speed?

Superman is way to fast and his reactions are far too good to get hit by anything. This would be more fare if it was just batman and wonder woman.

Trinity lol stomps.

"Superman (Assuming DCEU here) could hear Lois banging concrete while underwater over Diana fighting Doomsday and HP invisibility spells don't account for sounds."

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Muffliato

"Bruce has went through much more traumatic things than Harry."

Literally L O L. Harry has gone through much worse in his life by the age of 17 than Bruce has gone through in his much longer life.

"Clark rams right through the fake Doomsday or Lex Luthor, Bruce dodges their attacks and kills them no matter what not to mention the Time Turner is OOC, Clark oneshots them and the Boggart instantly, they will all be dead."

It's a Boggart. It isn't something you can punch away. It can only be removed by magical means, and only one spell in particular.

With prep and the 3 most powerful wizards in existence (one of which is pure good, one of which is pure evil, and one of which is good turned evil), nothing is OOC for them in a fight like this.

Ya know, if they can bring magical beings, Voldemort just calls some Dementors to suck their souls.

superman blitzstomps, no?

@jucaslucasa but both teams have knowledge and given a day to prep. One day of prep to batman means game over. They have knowledge of all beings, batman with the aid of superman, and wonder woman build devices that already cancel out most of the things they have going. They make sure they have special gear to counter each magical creature, and are ready for any spells they can throw at them. Even the ones they may think they have up their sleeves. With Bruce's key mind, Superman's combat speed, and Wonder Woman's bracelets it is game over.:

@jackkira89: Haven't watched Justice League, but Batman's prep was quite meh in BvS. What has he done that would let him deal with the other team's magic?

@jackkira89: What kind of prep has DCEU Batman done to make this match "game over"?

Not seeing how ww and supes even get hit let along be killed.

@geekryan: WW is immune to magic to an extent and can block everything with her bracers. Superman can bust through their shield with heatvision. We also don't know how the lasso will even react to shield spells like protego. I don't think they are fast enough to keep up.

@vengefulshot: If hundreds of spells designed to penetrate a shield made by 4 middle-tier wizards didn't work, I don't see how his heat vision will bust a shield made by the 3 most powerful wizards to ever live.

Also, no, DCEU Wonder Woman is not immune to magic in any way. The Killing Curse would work on her and Superman the same way it works on everyone.

@geekryan: Hundreds of spells by fodder Death Eaters. I don't see why not, supermans heatvision is a good bit more impressive than a concentrated blast from Voldemort using a wand that he had not won the allegiance of. Can the wizard trio even attack from inside the shield, as IIRC the Hogwarts crew didn't mount any sort of offense until the shield was down.

Can you prove that? Spells have been shown to be less effective on more durable beings, like it taking several stunning spells to take down Hagrid later in the series. I think WW and Supes are massively more durable than Hagrid.

They still don't have answers for WW's gear, or either WW and Supes speed.

@vengefulshot:

A lot of those death eaters were not "fodder", but named and skilled Death Eaters who have killed or went on to kill multiple wizards, some of them renowned. Even though he did not have allegiance to the wand, it still amped his magic to a degree (but not to the extent if he was the rightful owner). They didn't cast random spells at the shield, the spells they case are shield-penetrating spells. They didn't mount any offence because they were clearly on the defensive. They were trying to protect Hogwarts and stall, not charge in and kill Voldemort's army.

It's the killing curse. It doesn't do anything physical. It rips the soul from your body and kills you. And the reason why it took several stunning spells to take Hagrid down is because he is half-giant, and giants have an innate resistance to magic. You can't justify Superman and WW being able to resist magic based on people resisting magic in Harry Potter. Until either WW or Superman go up against magic and show resistance to it, we have to assume they have no magical resistance.

If you'll look at my previous posts, I provide a lot of ways the wizards could win, despite WW and Supes speed.

very good point!

Wizards could win. Depends on if Superman tries to just tank the killing curse or not. Then again I doubt Diana would try that and she could whoop them all.

WW alone makes this already unfair XD

@alsimmons77: I mean all 3 wizards with prep and knowledge could probably do something with her. With no knowledge they could get blitzed, but I think she might be just slow enough to that with knowledge they can keep their distance and react. Plus they can just stay in the sky out of range since she can't fly.

Full knowledge and a day of prep? Wizards stomp.