OT: Interesting fight. While Steppenwolf takes it by scaling (Steppenwolf >> Wonder Woman who was around pre-JL Superman's level based on the fight with Doomsday), Superman still has way better feats. I'd say Clark edges him out, but it would be tough.
I think it's completely possible that going through the Kryptonian fluids revival put Clark through a similar process as Doomsday, but due to the differences in the way Lex and Bruce went about it, he didn't have to mutate. Perhaps the Mother Box was the key, Zod's process had a lot less power so his revival not only took a lot longer, but it was rougher and his body mutated. The Mother Box gave Clark's process a huge jolt of juice that performed the revitalization process in an instant. This would mean Clark is now an enhanced Kryptonian similarly to Doomsday, but without any of the deformities. It would explain the seeming leap in power, going from relative to Wonder Woman to vastly outstripping her.
If this is the case, then Steppenwolf probably wins, which would make sense. I can picture the average Kryptonian being around the same physical tier as an elite New God, while an enhanced Kryptonian like Doomsday or current Clark surpasses them and approaches Darkseid.
@bladeoffury: not really, nothing suggested he got more powerful
Except of course not being able to dodge bullets in MoS, not being able to evacuate a single person in the BvS senate explosion, getting repeatedly tagged by the same Doomsday that Wonder Woman outmaneuvered, while having Diana frozen in JL. Except of course struggling to keep a part of an oil rig at bay in MoS and struggling to lift a part of a rocket in BvS, and then carrying a building above his head like nothing in JL.
@bladeoffury: not really, nothing suggested he got more powerful
Except of course not being able to dodge bullets in MoS, not being able to evacuate a single person in the BvS senate explosion, getting repeatedly tagged by the same Doomsday that Wonder Woman outmaneuvered, while having Diana frozen in JL. Except of course struggling to keep a part of an oil rig at bay in MoS and struggling to lift a part of a rocket in BvS, and then carrying a building above his head like nothing in JL.
He never tried to dodge bullets in MoS.
That's irrelevant, why would he?
He wasn't getting repeatedly tagged by Doomsday, and Wonder Woman was also tagged by him.
Diana was holding back against a bloodlusted Clark in JL, comparing them using this scene is a terrible argument.
He didn't own Steppewolf in JL, he cheap shotted him twice and dodged one attempt.
He got cheap shotted twice but Superman hit him more than twice IIRC. I mean, he was like a living statue to Superman's eyes.
Well yeah, he got a monmentum and beat him up the second time, which Steppenwolf still survived btw.
He simply dodged his attack, he was no speedster compared to him at all. People surely love to overrate this showing but they were moving equally fast, Clark was simply better, which doesn't say much, Diana could also go toe to toe with him in a prolonged fight which is better than getting a single momentary advantage.
Superman wasn't amped in JL, if anything that's his new power level or he simply showcased better feats, its clear Snyder meant him to be considerably fast in combat speed since MoS.
Maybe because he is Superman, the symbol of truth and justice, and will save lives whenever and wherever he can.
He wasn't getting repeatedly tagged by Doomsday, and Wonder Woman was also tagged by him.
If Superman possessed anything near the speed he showcased in JL, Doomsday wouldn't have touched him at all.
Diana was faster than Doomsday, based on her tagging him more than he tagged her. She was frozen to post-amp Superman. So, if Superman had the same speed as his amped self, Doomsday would be frozen as well.
Diana was holding back against a bloodlusted Clark in JL, comparing them using this scene is a terrible argument.
Holding back doesn't make her any slower. Clark proved too fast for her to react, and she, along with the rest of the JL, were frozen while Superman and Flash fought.
Also, despite holding back, Diana still used all her strength against Superman when restraining him with the lasso. Yet, he easily overpowered her with one arm. Doomsday, someone considerably stronger than pre-amp Clark, was unable to do the same.
Maybe because he is Superman, the symbol of truth and justice, and will save lives whenever and wherever he can.
He wasn't getting repeatedly tagged by Doomsday, and Wonder Woman was also tagged by him.
If Superman possessed anything near the speed he showcased in JL, Doomsday wouldn't have touched him at all.
Diana was faster than Doomsday, based on her tagging him more than he tagged her. She was frozen to post-amp Superman. So, if Superman had the same speed as his amped self, Doomsday would be frozen as well.
Diana was holding back against a bloodlusted Clark in JL, comparing them using this scene is a terrible argument.
Holding back doesn't make her any slower. Clark proved too fast for her to react, and she, along with the rest of the JL, were frozen while Superman and Flash fought.
Also, despite holding back, Diana still used all her strength against Superman when restraining him with the lasso. Yet, he easily overpowered her with one arm. Doomsday, someone considerably stronger than pre-amp Clark, was unable to do the same.
When did he struggle carrying "part of a rocket"?
You do understand he's dodging in the first gif?
Right. Whenever he can. Not whenever surprise explosion bitches.
That's baseless. Firstly, Doomsday was not faster than Clark at all, he was simply capable of tagging him, which he did to Diana too, which is a good showing for her, not a bad showing for him.
Holding back means that she won't use her full speed to hurt him... Unlike him bullrushing at her... She straight up said she did not want to fight him right before your "blitz" happened. And no, they weren't frozen compared to Barry and Superman at all, Diana did not even try moving while these 2 were fighting.
He's trying to dodge in the first gif, and yet he still got hit. The first gif also proves that he prefers to dodge mini-gun fire as oppose to tanking it, and the second gif shows that he isn't fast enough to do it.
Do you really see Flash failing to dodge those?
That's baseless. Firstly, Doomsday was not faster than Clark at all, he was simply capable of tagging him, which he did to Diana too, which is a good showing for her, not a bad showing for him.
Agree or disagree:
Superman was about as fast as Diana relative to Doomsday in BvS
Superman was way faster than Diana in JL
Holding back means that she won't use her full speed to hurt him...
Yes, but she would still use her full speed to dodge his attacks.
Unlike him bullrushing at her... She straight up said she did not want to fight him right before your "blitz" happened.
Again, her not wanting to fight him does not stop her from dodging his blitz, and yet she couldn't react to him.
And no, they weren't frozen compared to Barry and Superman at all, Diana did not even try moving while these 2 were fighting.
She didn't try moving, but if her combat speed was anywhere near those two, she would have at least perceived them. Her body was frozen, simply flying through the air because of Clark's shove.
@bladeoffury: She blocked it with her shield which she did not have use against Clark. Doomsday didn’t grab the lasso the way Clark did which I guess makes a big difference.
No, she blocked it with her sword:
JL Clark was also more powerful than his pre-resurrection self, so Diana's shield not being effective against him is insignificant. Pre-JL Superman isn't that far above Diana in strength, based on DD's punch.
He's trying to dodge in the first gif, and yet he still got hit. The first gif also proves that he prefers to dodge mini-gun fire as oppose to tanking it, and the second gif shows that he isn't fast enough to do it.
Do you really see Flash failing to dodge those?
I'm not sure where you're seeing him getting hit in the first gif, and there's no evidence that he would consistently care so much about getting tagged by gufire.
Agree or disagree:
Superman was about as fast as Diana relative to Doomsday in BvS
Superman was way faster than Diana in JL
Agree
Disagree
Yes, but she would still use her full speed to dodge his attacks.
Again, her not wanting to fight him does not stop her from dodging his blitz, and yet she couldn't react to him.
I just rewatched the scene and realised you're even more wrong. There's no part in which she didn't react to him. She blocked his bullrush with the bracelets, he simply grabbed her arms and overpowered her with superior physical strength there.... Basically, the entire argument is flawed as hell.
She didn't try moving, but if her combat speed was anywhere near those two, she would have at least perceived them. Her body was frozen, simply flying through the air because of Clark's shove.
Why would she try to percieve them? Clark was semi choking her, she couldn't move her head.
You can clearly see the strain on his face.
And there is me always thinking that's the face of someone trying to put down gently something so heavy. His expressions are human.
He didn't own Steppewolf in JL, he cheap shotted him twice and dodged one attempt.
He got cheap shotted twice but Superman hit him more than twice IIRC. I mean, he was like a living statue to Superman's eyes.
Well yeah, he got a monmentum and beat him up the second time, which Steppenwolf still survived btw.
He simply dodged his attack, he was no speedster compared to him at all. People surely love to overrate this showing but they were moving equally fast, Clark was simply better, which doesn't say much, Diana could also go toe to toe with him in a prolonged fight which is better than getting a single momentary advantage.
You realize Clark was clearly holding back right? He didn't even take the fight seriously.
@khael: The fight that didn't happen? Because he didn't fight him and he simply cheap shotted him twice? He dodged one attack and they were moving equally fast, he did not blitz or stomp anyone.
@supremegeneration: That's ridiculous and shows just how overrated Clark's JL showings are. This is not Diana's combat speed. It's litteraly her getting thrown away... You know, FALLING.
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