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Anakin Skywalker

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Vader stomps. Speed-wise, he is a casual lightning timer in canon

Someone hidden among the machinery gave a startled-sounding shout. But it was too late. Even as the lightning weapons shifted their full fury to Vader, he strode toward them, deflecting the bolts into the ceiling as he used the Force to twist their weapons off target, hurling his lightsaber to bring down sections of machinery onto the enemy, grabbing anyone who came into view and throwing them into the rapidly diminishing number of lightning bolts.

- Thrawn: Alliances, Chapter Sixteen, Page 440

He even statued blasters in canon that are mach 3+at least as well(Martin himself who is an authority in Disney even said that they are light speed lol)

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While Superman is around mach 100 combat-wise at most, his best fat being moving faster than mach 3+ Wonder Woman. Vader also just recently got great TK feat like overpowering the gargantuan beast. Galaxy's greatest predator. Here he slams it into the ground and overpowers it with his TK, pretty easily while weakend no less

Darth Vader #10-Into the Fire Part V: The Red Horror
Darth Vader #10-Into the Fire Part V: The Red Horror

Just to give you an idea of the size of the monster:

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See those tiny explosions happening around the Verminoth's tentacle? Those are Tie-Fighters, which are 7 meters big and explosions are a lot bigger than ships themselves are since they expend from it even futher. So Vader essentially overpowered a large mountain seized monster easily while weakend. Something with a mass of dozens of millions of tons. This shows that his TK>>Supermans strenght. He will crush him or break his neck and internal organs with force here

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From 20 feet away, Superman blitzes.

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#5  Edited By Eredin12

@geekryan: Superman is not faster than lightning by feats, combat wise he is about mach 100 or so at most, while lightning is mach 300+ and Vader easily reacted to it in canon, not like Wonder Woman from several miles away, but from just a few meters, he even reacted lot of those lightning bolts there, very casually

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Vader.

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Clark would probably solo every Jedi or Sith ever shown in Canon at once. Lightsabers aren't doing diddly squat and neither is any telekenesis. Best bet is mind attacks but they have to be able to concentrate on him to do that sort of stuff.

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Vader.

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vader easily

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Superman slices Darth Vader in half with his insanely powerful heat vision. Superman can also go into statue-mode to slaughter the hell out of Darth Vader. Superman has too many options of winning this fight.

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Don't know much about SW to make a verdict.

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Add Sidious and Superman still stomps. Saying they can't do anything to him is still vastly overrating their abilities.

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#14  Edited By Eredin12

@thevamphunter: Batman can easily dodge Heat Vision, good luck trying to tag someone like Vader with that one lol

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He will just stop it in the air with his TK like this

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Or bend it and make it miss him like this

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Not to mention that given how powerful lightsabers are he can easily block it with it as well

Throughout the generations, lightsaber technology was refined from those first high-maintenance 'captive bolt' lightsabers to the lightweight modern lightsabers, which utilizes a stablized, massless plasma beam that burns as hot and bright as the core of a star.

- SW: Force & Destiny Core Rulebook

As for staute mode, Vader is the faster one here by feats, and given how much more powerful he is with TK as shown above he will one-shot him with it as well

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@cocacolaman:

Is this SnyderMan or Canonman?

Also lmao at a blaster bolt being compared to heat vision...

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@eredin12 said:

@geekryan: Superman is not faster than lightning by feats, combat wise he is about mach 100 or so at most, while lightning is mach 300+ and Vader easily reacted to it in canon, not like Wonder Woman from several miles away, but from just a few meters, he even reacted lot of those lightning bolts there, very casually

Superman was only slightly slower than Flash, and Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Cyborg were literally statues to them. Diana has reacted to lightning, and when Flash uses his speed, everything is slowed down to a crawl if not outright frozen. He also has FTL speed.

The guidebook states that Superman's reaction speed is equal to his movement speed:

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The Flash vs. Superman fight:

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@eredin12:

As for staute mode, Vader is the faster one here by feats, this is not even Snydercut Superman so that you can try to wank him to Flash or anything and given how much more powerful he is with TK as shown above he will just one shot him

I really admire you for using the word, "wank." Isn't that what you do in almost every single MCU thread? Anyways, Darth Vader can go into statue-mode as well? Darth Vader's combat speed is fast enough to keep up with the same person who clowned the Flash? Also, the OP didn't specify which Superman is canon or not, so I just assumed.

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#18  Edited By Eredin12

@geekryan:

Superman was only slightly slower than Flash, and Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Cyborg were literally statues to them. Diana has reacted to lightning, and when Flash uses his speed, everything is slowed down to a crawl if not outright frozen. He also has FTL speed.

The guidebook states that Superman's reaction speed is equal to his movement speed:

Statuing those is not impressive in this context given feats Vader has feats as good and better than that, Diana reacted to it from very large distnace, far bigger than one form which Iron Man reacted to a hypersonic tank shell, Vader did it from few meters, and to many of them, not just one, combat wise she is supersonic, also Superman was a lot slower than Flash when he really tries if we are using Syndercut and in canon(since this is canon), Flash is just mach 100+ as well, so that will not help Clark here

Well guidebook is wrong, we saw that not being a case in MOS and BVS a lot of times really

As for seeing things as frozen, even fodders like Kanan can do that let alone Vader himself :

Time stopped for Kanan than started again, slowly.

- Star Wars: A New Dawn

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#19  Edited By Eredin12

@thevamphunter:

I really admire you for using the word, "wank." Isn't that what you do in almost every single MCU thread?

No but this is not MCU, so lets not bring that up here

Anyways, Darth Vader can go into statue-mode as well? Darth Vader's combat speed is fast enough to keep up with the same person who clowned the Flash?

Yeah you see Vader in Disney canon( novels, comics etc) can easily react to MHS lightning and statue blasters and on top of that has strong precog

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#20  Edited By CocaColaMan

@kols2ndcoming said:

@cocacolaman:

Is this SnyderMan or Canonman?

Also lmao at a blaster bolt being compared to heat vision...

Snyder

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Super Man could potentially blitz. But I'm not completely sure.

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@eredin12 said:

@geekryan:

Superman was only slightly slower than Flash, and Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Cyborg were literally statues to them. Diana has reacted to lightning, and when Flash uses his speed, everything is slowed down to a crawl if not outright frozen. He also has FTL speed.

Statuing those is not impressive in this context given feats Vader has feats as good and better than that, Diana reacted to it from very large distnace, far bigger than one form which Iron Man reacted to a hypersonic tank shell, Vader did it from few meters, and to many of them, not just one, combat wise she is supersonic, also Superman was a lot slower than Flash when he really tries if we are using Syndercut.

As for seeing things as frozen, even fodders like Kanan can do that let alone Vader himself :

Time stopped for Kanan than started again, slowly.

- Star Wars: A New Dawn

Statueing someone who has casually reacted to automatic gunfire and timed lightning >>> someone who has reacted to lightning.

No idea why Iron Man is being brought into this lol.

Superman wasn't "a lot slower" than Flash. Flash was visibly struggling to avoid Superman's attacks the entire time.

Oh wow, a one-sentence statement from literature about time stopping...Must mean Vader can regularly do that too... /s

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Mind-boggling speed from a guy who can perceive time as Frozen

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@geekryan:

Statueing someone who has casually reacted to automatic gunfire and timed lightning >>> someone who has reacted to lightning.

No idea why Iron Man is being brought into this lol.

Well no, you see even MCU Hela reacted to lightning, the difference is Vader reacted to a large number of bolts from a few meters distnace, which makes his feat hundreds of times better than what Diana did, that is why statuing her is not above that feat of his

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to show that doing something from distance like Diana did is in no way comperable to what Vader did from few meters

Superman wasn't "a lot slower" than Flash. Flash was visibly struggling to avoid Superman's attacks the entire time.

Oh wow, a one-sentence statement from literature about time stopping...Must mean Vader can regularly do that too... /s

In Canon sure, but there Flash is just mach 100+ as well and that is what we use here

Well, these are book characters you see, that is how books work, books consist of sentences you see. That is how we learn what is going on. As for Vader, he does have feats like that to show constancy

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@eredin12 said:

@geekryan:

Statueing someone who has casually reacted to automatic gunfire and timed lightning >>> someone who has reacted to lightning.

No idea why Iron Man is being brought into this lol.

Well no, you see even MCU Hela reacted to lightning, the difference is Vader reacted to a large number of bolts from a few meters distnace, which makes his feat hundreds of times better than what Diana did, that is why statuing her is not above that feat of his

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to show that doing something from distance like Diana did is in no way comperable to what Vader did from few meters

Superman wasn't "a lot slower" than Flash. Flash was visibly struggling to avoid Superman's attacks the entire time.

Oh wow, a one-sentence statement from literature about time stopping...Must mean Vader can regularly do that too... /s

In Canon sure, but there Flash is just mach 100+ as well and that is what we use here

Well, these are book characters you see, that is how books work, books consist of sentences you see. That is how we learn what is going on. As for Vader, he does have feats like that to show constancy

1) How is Hela looking at the sky as lighting comes down her reacting to it.....?

Also, she saw his hand start to spark, heard the sound of thunder, THEN looked up. Nice try though.

No clue why Hela is being brought into this either.

2) Feel free to present all of these amazing and consistent lightning-timing feats for Vader then.

3) OP said this is Snydercut version of Superman in post 20

4) You're using a one-sentence statement that is vague in order to claim that a lesser Jedi sees time as frozen, and trying to scale that to Vader....

5) You also tried comparing heat vision to blaster fire...The same blaster fire that regularly gets dodged in Star Wars.

6) See post above by Rajjar

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#31  Edited By Eredin12

@geekryan:

1) How is Hela looking at the sky as lighting comes down her reacting to it.....?

Also, she saw his hand start to spark, heard the sound of thunder, THEN looked up. Nice try though.

Because she reacted to it after it was fired, as you see here it was already fired and crossed a lot of distnace even her face and balcony were bright because of it and she still reacted to it and moved distnace before being hit

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Sure she did that but she still reacted to it after it was fired as well

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2) Feel free to present all of these amazing and consistent lightning-timing feats for Vader then.

3) OP said this is Snydercut version of Superman in post 20

I already showed one for Vader, he also has the feat of statuing blasters that i showed above, which is similar level, Obi-Wan reacted to one from Dooku as well

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to me, it seemed that he said canon at first, maybe he changed it or i remember it wrong, but my point still remains

4) You're using a one-sentence statement that is vague in order to claim that a lesser Jedi sees time as frozen, and trying to scale that to Vader....

See this

Time stopped for Kanan than started again, slowly.

- Star Wars: A New Dawn

" Time stopped for Kanan", there is nothing vague there, the narrator tells us that time stopped for him, it is novel and novels are made of statements but yea it does show that much wekaer force users than Vader can see time as frozen

5) You also tried comparing heat vision to blaster fire...The same blaster fire that regularly gets dodged in Star Wars.

I compared ways Vader can deal with that is him stopping it in the air with the force of bending it since he does have TK power feats to do it, but i did not compare the power of HV and blasters, as for their speed, how about we use what official WoG in SW canon, that being Matt Martin said about them?

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I am not saying that they are that fast lol, but if someone dodges them that is just a good feat for them

6) See post above by Rajjar

Extremly weakend and mentally unstable Vader who was having series of flashbacks about Padme and his past life constantly, being hurt by force lightning of most powerful sith of all time? What is that supposed to show?

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Lmao at Vader being lightning speed.

Anyways, he still wins due to TK, superior skill and versatility.

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Vader guts him

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Canon Vader wins. EU Vader dies.

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Add Sidious and Superman still stomps. Saying they can't do anything to him is still vastly overrating their abilities.

^^^ lmao

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Vader rape

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Vader wins quite comfortably.

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When debate converts into another MCU vs DCEU Superman topic. Great

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#40  Edited By heiqn

canon Vader still solos DCEU comfortably

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c'mon guys, what is this...

  • Cavill-Supes blitzes with speed
  • no comparable feats for lightsaber potency against Cavill-Supes, even if there were, he's likely not even going to be able to get one swing in...
  • TK is useless against someone who is not only not going to be phased by anything you throw at him, but can move himself through 3D space with a lot more power than even Darth Vader could muster.
  • Cavill-Supes blitzes with heat vision
  • etc, etc....
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@anderioan: all of this is wrong, canon vader is a lightning timer, Superman isn't tagging him.

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#44  Edited By Eredin12

@anderioan:

Vader deflects point-blank blaster fire from more than a dozen droids at once,this would require Vader to be dozens of times faster than blasters themselves, to the point he can pretty much statue them :

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and blasters are so fast that they can statue supersonic ships, moving hundreds of times faster, making them massively hypersonic :

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While for comparison best feat Clark has is nigh statuing someone who is supersonic( Diana)much slower than a blaster, Lightsaber is far hotter than HV as well, it is as hot as core of a star:

Throughout the generations, lightsaber technology was refined from those first high-maintenance 'captive bolt' lightsabers to the lightweight modern lightsabers, which utilizes a stablized, massless plasma beam that burns as hot and bright as the core of a star.

- SW: Force & Destiny Core Rulebook

And Vaders TK>>>Supermans strength by feats

ISD can destroy country

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#45  Edited By Strike3

Superman. All Vader can do is delay getting crushed for a short time.

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@strike3 said:

Superman. All Vader can do is delay getting crushed for a short time.

Vader, someone who was unharmed by the explosion of Sith superweapon, which was so strong that it atomized shilded skyscraper-sized Gozanti-class cruiser, which can tank shots from Star Destroyers

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is not getting crushed by someone whose best lifting feat is lifting 4000-ton building, something far below what Padwan Kylo did when he casually destroyed 100+ meters large statues of pure stone, that was Kylo far from his prime and even in his prime he is insect to Vader

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Vader curbs...this version of Clark is too weak to beat him.

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Superman solo the vers

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#50  Edited By thedarkprince

Canon Vader beats DCEU Superman. His comic feats are too good.