DCEU Superman vs Darth Sidious

VS

Instead of Mace, the man of steel comes to confront Palpatine and will take him either dead or alive

The scenario is the same as in ROS except no Jedi. Only Superman

Palpatine and Superman don't have knowledge of each other's abilities.

No outside interference.

Starting Distance is 20 feet

Win by death or KO

@thegreatuniter: I assume you're using canon sidious, not Legends?

Superman grabs Palpatine's lightsaber with his barehand and proceeds to vaporise him with heat vision.

Mismatch

Superman Godstomps.

No legends feat? IDK, Sideous was a boss, depends on how he uses his force, and speed.

Superman shows Palpatine the meaning of "force"

If this is movies then Superman wrecks.

Legends Sidious however...

Canon Sidious gets slaughtered.

Legends Sidious slaughterstomps.

Movie only Sidious? Superman.

Legends Sidious? Superman gets blown up to a million pieces by a wormhole, or possessed and have his body controlled by Sidious.

superman has been inside black hole and surived but k. Anyway Superman slaughters and splatters him all over the place.

@supermanforever said:

superman has been inside black hole and surived

Sidious's wormholes (Force Storms) have blown up entire Rebel fleets, devastated and nearly if not compeltely blown up planets. And black holes/black suns are overrated. In Space:1999, the Earth's moon and a bunch of regular humans go through a black sun with no damage at all.

Anyway Superman slaughters and splatters him all over the place.

How is this so? We have to assume Sidious will LET Superman touch him. The lightsaber could probably cut Superman down, even if it doesn't, Sidious can easily control Clark's mind. He controled the minds of BILLIONS on Byss; if Superman somehow touches Sidious, and kills him, Sidious's spirit just possesses Superman. There is no, and I mean no way Superman can achieve a victory over DE Sidious.

Sidious gets wrecked

lightsaber wont cut superman and he is more than fast enough to dodge it. Secondly i was talking about movies but ok. If he can use lightsaber then superman can use phantom zone projector and bye bye.

@Supermanforever:

Movie Sidious does lose, but I should note that SW characters are seriously underrated when pitted against these super-heroes.

Superman speed blitzes

Just gonna assume legends. Sidious gets a much better body.

Sidous is still much faster anyways... I'm going with him based on the novelization of ROS and his canon feats...

Superman goes down to TP which is what Sidious will use first on an unknown opponent.

@wallywest042: go ahead and show me where sidious used tp in canon

@zr0c00l: Just coz he didn't use it doesn't mean he doesn't have it. All force users do.

The question is all about whether Sidious is canon or legends. Once that is answered, there is no need of discussion.

@wallywest042: so you can't show him doing it once but somehow this is supposed to be his first move...... seems legit. And you saying all force users use tp... that must be jedi mind trick you're talking about. That won't work on superman only the weak minded. Canon sidious has no chance

@zr0c00l: This is MOS supes. Sidious is one of the most powerful force users of all time. Why won't he use it on an opponent he doesn't know anything about?

Superman.

@wallywest042: why would you think he'd do it off the bat though. And you're ignoring that superman is not weak minded and would not be effected by mind tricks. Also by your logic what's stopping superman from blitzing his head off his shoulders faster than sidious can react?

Sidious stomps.

Even in the novelizations of the films which I believe were canon, Sidious was said to move as fast as light. Also he is a way more agile and skilled fighter having mastered all forms of lightsaber combat and I don't think Superman would even land a hit on him personally. Also Sidious' force lighting at full power would be a big factor because Supes has no lightsaber to block it with and isn't Yoda so he doesn't know how to absorb it. This is basically a really strong brick vs the most powerful figure in Star Wars and I'm giving it to the dark lord.

@supermanforever: when did MoS Superman even come near a Block Hole?

@zr0c00l: This is DCEU Supes. Comic book Supes is strong minded, but we don't know that about this version. Also, he wouldn't blitz in character. The only time he blitzed was when Lois was threatened.

Takes over a Twi'lek's mind to the extent that she doesn't even flinch when he tries to kill her

“Come here, girl,” the Emperor said, putting the power of the Force into his command.

Unable to resist, the girl walked out of the tree line until she stood, small and vulnerable, before him.

With preternatural speed the Emperor drew, ignited, and slashed at the girl with his lightsaber, but Vader had sensed his Master’s intent and moved with greater speed, igniting his own blade and intercepting his Master’s blow before it could land.

The girl, under the sway of the Emperor’s power, seemed scarcely to notice the danger. She simply stood there, staring vacantly, her face aglow in the red light of the crossed blades.

-- Lords of the Sith

never said he did in the movie. i said in comics. But just for fun when they destroyed kryptonian world engine it created singularity (which is the inside of a black hole that sucked in them. Tecnically they created wormhole that sucked the other kryptonians with power of black hole and superman resisted its gravity saving lois out of it. But thats just for fun.

oh ok, cuz the thread was for DCEU Superman not the comics one. There was no mention of a comics version of Superman from anyone lol I was just checking to see if i missed something from the movies lol

Also there's no fun allowed on CV so none of that.

i talked about comic when the guy said that dark sidiouc is underrated when they compare them to comics characters but ok. No he didnt get in to black holes in movies, i just refered to when kryptonians were sucked into world engines singularity which is tecnically a small sized black hole. He resisted its gravity while beeing in its forcefield when he tried to carry lois out. But ok we dont count as feat so i said just for fun :D

you're saying the guy who turned himself over to hostile aliens to spare his adopted planet and later sacrificed himself to save the world from DD by picking up and flying with an object that was killing him is weak minded....Seems like youd need incredible determination and power of will to do something so noble.

The guy who if he was weak minded would have taken lexs offer which is basically like an offer to join the dark side and done the selfish move and killed batman to save martha. (its the very same deal in essence that anakin took to save padme)

The guy who could easily take over the planet and be a god on earth but chooses to be a selfless servant of the people and become their savior instead. You think that guy is weak minded..... ok.

You're forgetting i said superman would blitz his head off as a response to you having sidious pull a totally out of character action (tp) as sidious hasn't used it in any of the films or animated canon shows thus far. simply put, what i meant was if youre gonna have sidious act out of character whats stopping superman from being out of character???

But clark blitzing isnt really out of character. he blitzed Zod outside of the farm. (you think you can threaten my mother!)

He blitzed faora multiple times. once when she was jumping at a plane the other when she was gonna kill guardian (a good death is its own reward) and after she tossed him into the vault.

He blitzed DD to and from space.

He blitzed batman through a building while trying to talk to him..........

itd be easier to name people he hasnt blitzed in a fight at this point. (only nam-ek)

I stand corrected. I concede he has used it once.

unfortunately that wont help him here as random twi'lek girl is most likely weak minded which dceu supes is not. (im aware you didnt make the claim that hed be susceptible just clarifying)

@zr0c00l: To be fair Ezra was able to take over the mind of an imperial trooper.

Palpatine should be much better than Ezra not to mention that he could casually perceive Vader's thoughts

Or maybe self-delusion was part of the training a Master instilled in an apprentice.

“Your thoughts are troubled, my friend,” the Emperor said, his voice loud in the quiet. The Emperor often referred to him as a friend, and perhaps they were friends, in some sense, though Vader saw purpose in the use of the term. He thought his Master used a term he might use with a peer to emphasize that Master and apprentice were not, in fact, peers.

“No, my Master. Not troubled.”

The Emperor chuckled, the sound coming out a cackle. “?‘Troubled’ perhaps misstates the matter. Your thoughts are on violence.”

He turned in his throne to glance back at Vader, and his eyes burned out of the shadowed recesses of his hood.

“You ponder the nature of strength, do you not?”

Vader never lied to his Master. And he understood that his Master asked questions only with great forethought, so that the answer revealed more than the words. “I do.”

The Emperor turned away, showing his back to Vader, itself a calculated gesture. “Share your thoughts, my apprentice.”

Vader did not hesitate. “I was thinking of the lessons you once taught me about the relationship of a Sith Master to his apprentice.”

“And?” his Master asked.

Vader dropped to a knee and bowed his head. “And I perceive strength all around me, my Master.”

“Good,” the Emperor said. “Very good.”

The moment having passed, Vader rose and stood station behind his Master.

-- Lords Of The Sith

While the combined efforts of Ahsoka and Kanan could not

I think Palpatine probably could TP Superman if he wanted to but I don't know if he would.

The things you said establish him as a character with a strong morality and sense of responsibility. Its not TP resistance.

Why is it unlikely for Sidious to use TP when he knows nothing of his opponent?

Superman blitzed whenever his loved ones were threatened, or against people who could handle the blitz. Its unlikely that he would blitz someone whose durability is unknown to him.

If Supes blitzes, Sidious definitely dies. But I think Sidious using TP is more probable than Supes blitzing. So, I give him the win.

legends sidious stomps embarrassingly easy.

Emperor Disney loses though.

@americanspeeddemon: im not disputing the jedi mind tricks existence. im saying as stated by obi wan that it only works on the weak minded to which imperial troopers seem to fit the bill. as obi ezra and rey (probably more) have all mind tricked them with rey being not trained at all.

reading vaders thoughts is not the same as controlling it. i agree he could most likely read clarks thoughts as well. but if he could control a powerful mind like vaders he wouldnt have had to seduce him over a decade to go to the dark side.

and while ahsoka and kanaan may be gifted beyond their level of training, the fact remains they stopped their training just before being knighted. they shouldnt be able to over power jedi master anakin in anything.

That guy knew about the mind trick, so resisted it. Superman doesn't. What the heck do you mean by "will to be a hero"?

Fair enough.

The warlord threatened Lois and Batman was armoured.

Why are you saying all this stuff? We are talking about TP, not a physical fight. Of course Supes can kill him with a finger flick.

Supes has only fought people equal to him physically, or in Batman's case, durable enough to take a punch. Did he blitz Lex Luthor? No. He'll probably fly up to Sidious and say "I can take you in without breaking you!"

This Superman is so insecure and full of self doubt, his nobility, selflessness etc. can easily be overcome. It can be said that this Supes is weak minded. So YOUR fan theory of superman being strong minded isn't enough to protect him from TP. Thor sacrificed himself to save people, but still got affected by Wanda. Desire to do good has nothing to do with resisting mind control. That alien said "I'm a Toydarian. Mind tricks don't work on me. Only money." It can easily mean that his specie has mental immunity.

@zr0c00l: There's a difference between a jedi mind trick and sith mind domination. A mind trick is a simple suggestion that you convince someone else to go along with mind domination is a constant power which requires much more effort overall. Here's an excerpt showing mind domination by someone much weaker than Sidious

We see here that Mind domination is more akin to mind control where as a mind trick makes one more susceptible to suggestion similarly to hypnosis.

Additionally Ahsoka is in fact master level and Kanan knight level. They should be a powerful duo as far as TP is concerned beating out jedi masters together yet Vader is able to deflect their mind probe and he can't even sense when Sidious is reading his mind and can't hide his thoughts at all.