DCEU Superman vs Army of Sentinels

the sentinels from days of future's past

supes fights three of them that can adapt to his abilities

could he beat them?

Superman would curbstomp an army of DOFP Sentinels. They can only adapt to mutants, that's what made them effective. Even then, they didn't show remotely the offensive capability to hurt him, or the defensive capability not to be torn to shreds. They're outmatched in every way, and have no plausible way to win.

Movie Sentinels, comic Sentinels, cartoon Sentinels, Superman wins.

Superman rips them to pieces. You could put in a hundred sentinels and the result would be the same. Supes stomps

What were sentinels' feats, again?

Yeah Superman would probably beat any version

He tears through all of them.

They were powerful because they could adapt to Mutants (ie: Turning to fire against Ice-Man). But Supes isn't a mutant. Even if we gave them all their adaptation feats, which wouldn't really make sense, best feats are ripping apart a much weaker version of Colossus and blasting fire. Magneto and Storm tore about 100 of them to pieces, and that version of Magneto plus any version of Storm didn't have 1/30th the damage output of Superman.

Superman wrecks them with heat vision.

They can only copy mutants. So Superman curbstomps.

Remember any feats for tjat colossus? Is he anywhere near deadpool version of colossus?

Heat Vision will tear them then.

@apex_pretador:

Remember any feats for tjat colossus? Is he anywhere near deadpool version of colossus?

No, pretty sure he just had generic stuff against fodder. He was bullet-proof and he could rip metal with effort, but that's pretty much the best he's got.

The DP version badly outclassed him in strength, and definitely had him beat in durability as well (fight with Angel-Dust vs generic bullet-proofness).

So basically luke cage stuff, maybe even less?

Yeah, superman stomps

@apex_pretador:

So basically luke cage stuff, maybe even less?

Exactly

Superman clears them.

There's no reason to think the sentinels couldn't adapt to Alien physiology or that they were limited to only adapt to Mutants. Their ability in the movie was to copy the powers of mutants by using Mystique's camouflaging ability, which never really made sense. In the extended Rogue cut, it was revealed that they were using a version of Rogue's mutant absorption power paired with Mystique's ability. In a world where there are more than just mutants, I don't see why Rogue/Mystique's powers wouldn't work on any metahuman/alien. They were also able to adapt based on proximity/sight not touch.

Superman =/= Mutants.

The sentinels were specifically designed to deal with mutants and IIRC humans who possessed the mutant gene. We can't assume that the sentinels can copy his abilities.

there's so many ways superman can win this

@keyboardthug9:

You also can't assume that the sentinels CAN'T copy his abilities. If they are copying mutant genes then there's no reason they can't copy alien genes! Just because there aren't any metahumans or aliens in the X-men universe doesn't mean their powers won't work on those beings if they did exist in their universe. In fact, there's a good case to be made that because we're combining universes, the Sentinels should be considered capable of adapting to Alien physiology. More importantly, if they can't adapt to Superman's powers what's the point of the question?!

mismatch. superman casually rips these robots.

Snyderman wins

There's a difference between copying someone with the mutant gene and someone whos powers are solar based. supes just takes them into orbit

They were designed to identify and copy the abilities provided by the mutant gene in humans and mutants. This is established in the film. As much as you'd like it to be otherwise, this is the way they were written. There was no evidence in the films to say otherwise. The only thing you're doing is speculating.

If the OP stated that he wanted to adjust the sentinels so that they can copy Superman's abilities; or if you want to create a thread that allows them to do so, then go ahead. As it stands, Superman's genome is not the same as the humans or mutants in the film, he has no mutant gene, and his abilities do not derive from a mutant gene. It would be outside of the sentinels capabilities/parameters to be able to do what you wish they could.

If you want to provide some evidence that nobody in this thread seems to know about then go ahead, otherwise you have no argument.

All of them ? Absolutely not.

Considering they devastated Earth, Dominated global Superpowers, and Took down all the Mutants in such a short period of time they Probably Number in the Hundreds of Thousands to Millions. No way is DCEU Superman even beating that Many Street levels convincingly and each Sentinel is atleast a low Mid tier (Flight, Energy beams,ShapeShifting,Low level Regen)

To say he could beat that many is to Admit you lack proper thinking ability.

If its just the few Hundred that we see in the Movie though, Superman can do it.

They only attack people with the x gene or will eventually pass it on Superman is an alien and they will not adapt to him he could also just fly the sentinels into space throw them into the sun stronger, faster, more durable, can fly, alien, superman stomps

Lmao what? They devastated fodder mutants because of their ability to adapt. If they can't adapt to supes how could they possibly beat him? The sentinels don't have the damage output to beat him he wins this very easily.

supes

Supes flys through them like butter

Little harsh! I don't actually want Sentinels to have the ability to copy superman's powers, I just don't see a logical reason to assume that they can't copy his powers. I also think the point of the thread is to debate whether or not they can! Otherwise, it's superman vs three robots, the sentinels were clearly capable of being destroyed by less powerful beings than Superman. Their only chance is to copy his abilities.

The best argument for their ability to copy Superman's abilities lies in the explanation of how they copy abilities to begin with. Officially, they are using Mystique's ability to imitate what they see. Mystique can copy mutants and regular humans based on sight, there's no reason to think she can't copy aliens. Unofficially, in the Rogue cut, Rogue's absorbing powers are being paired with Mystique's so they are absorbing/copying powers, based on sight. Rogue's power allows her to steal human life force or in the case of mutants, their powers. There's no reason to assume that Rogue can't steal Superman's lifeforce/powers and so it follows that the Sentinels can replicate/absorb superman's powers based on sight. I'm not sure how many powers they can replicate at the same time. It's possible that they can only replicate one power at a time, so each Sentinel might only possess a single Superman ability: heat vision, invulnerability, strength, flight. If Sentinels are just copying the genetic profile of the mutants they encounter, there's no reason to think they can't copy Superman's powers, which are all genetically endowed and solar powered.

They Curbstomped Multiple Mutants even without adapting to their powers. You Really think the Budget would allow for that many scenes with all the mutants that appeared ? LOL. Rewatch the movie.

They dont need to, As i said they are already Low-Mid tiers without any Gained powers. Superman Dies Horribly every single time against more than 600 of them id say. Also since Superman Has zero cutting resistance feats except for being Gutted by DoomsDay, A Case can actually be made that He'd Get cut in half the first time hes tagged by one in H2H.

DCEU wank is getting out of hand.

Supes ftw

@cramandman: Cut the quote chains. Stop tagging me.

They adapt and win, they aren't only limited to adapting to mutants...that's like saying mystique can only transform into mutants (since they are based on mystiques powers).

He takes a bunch out until they adapt and beat him down.

This is getting redundant...

The entire basis behind the sentinels' abilities to copy powers and target someone are:

• Whoever they target has to be human or mutant.
• Whoever they target has to possess the mutant gene.

Superman not having this gene is the problem with your argument. The sentinels were never designed, shown, or otherwise speculated to be capable of copying the abilities of an alien species.

This IS getting redundant because you're not refuting my claims as to how the Sentinels abilities work! There's no reason to think that Mystique/Rogue's abilities won't work on an alien species. You're speculating that they wont.

You're right that Sentinels are not programmed in the movie to target Aliens, only mutants and humans. However, in order for them to target Superman for this fight at all, since he doesn't possess human or mutant genes, they have to be programmed to target aliens. There's no good reason for them not to be able to adapt to his powers, other than you don't want them to!

If the entire Earth's population were replaced with sentinels, Superman could still win.

It's getting redundant because you're speculating... I've given the reasons why and I find myself just repeating myself at this point.

Now you're changing the parameters/conditions of the topic thread. The OP states, "the sentinels from days of future's past."

@shizzmahh: I'll simplify my approach. In order for the Sentinels to fight Superman at all, they have to at least be programmed to engage Superman in a fight, otherwise they will ignore him as he is not human or mutant. If the Sentinels can't adapt to his powers, Superman easily wins. If the Sentinels can adapt to his powers, the Sentinels will win. Good enough?!

@cramandman: LOL. Yes, in order for the sentinels to even be able to fight Superman, the OP would have to change the parameters of their abilities. In this scenario without assumption or speculation there isn't enough evidence backing Msytique/Rogue's abilities, or Sentinel capabilities for the Sentinels to take him. If we assume that the Sentinels can adapt and take his abilities; then yes, I think they can win. But it would take more than three of them.

I agree that the OP could use some adjustment. How many Sentinels that CAN adapt to Superman's powers do you think it will take to bring him down? Bare in mind, Superman could barely hold his own against Nam-ek and Faora at the same time and they didn't even have their full powers. I think three is more than sufficient to beat Superman. Even a single sentinel with his powers should give him more of a fight than Zod, not only because they adapt to powers more quickly, but if Superman snaps a Sentinel's invulnerable neck it won't kill the Sentinel. He doesn't have a way to put one down and keep them down! There's also an argument to be made that with Superman's powers, a Sentinel's cutting weaponry will be lethal to superman, like Doomsday's Kryptonian bone hand.

@cramandman: Well, IIRC the Sentinels didn't adapt instantly. At one point Bishop blasts off the outer layer of armor on one of the sentinels (just re-watched a clip), and you could see it's metal chassis underneath. The initial fight goes on for a minute or so before the first Sentinel adapts. So, I'm thinking Superman could down two or three of them rather quickly with heat vision or just raw strength (pulling their heads off, using x-ray vision to identify vital components, etc.). Once they adapt and started using their cutting weaponry as you mentioned, he'd be in for some problems. Assuming they don't take something like his speed, but retain his strength and a certain degree of invulnerability, a group of 5-7 would probably be enough.

Yep, the wank has peaked.

Supes

The strongest feat they have is ripping collossus in half which superman could do with ease. And every dc post you reply on you claim its wank lmao its facts.

Good point about the time it takes to adapt. Supes could definitely take out a few before then. It just depends how aggressive he is with the Sentinels. For some reason, Supes likes to listen to his enemies monologue before attacking.

The arguments that the sentinels can only adapt to mutants may not be correct. In DOFP, a deleted scene that the writers have said is canon, shows Rogue being kidnapped and her powers used to augment the sentinels. Accordingly, since Rogue's powers to siphon is based on life force absorption, and we know her powers work on humans and mutants, its pretty likely that the same would work on aliens. Basically, the sentinels use Rogue's abilities to garner the powers and mystique's powers to adapt themselves.

So, I think any argument here would have to assume the three sentinels could take on superman's powers.

In base form, the sentinels were capable of withstanding extreme temps and shots from colossus and bishop and thats prior to getting any other powers. Unfortunately, those x-men were incredibly featless. So then the question is whether they could adapt before superman could put them down. Given some of the other scenes from DOFP, Im thinking Superman COULD put them down, but in character, random encounter, he isnt going to his limits and the Sentinels would take him. If the rules had him bloodlusted/out of character and/or with prior knowledge, then Im saying yes, he takes them before they can adapt - but its a maybe. Even if one of them is able to adapt in time, Ill probably give it to robot kryponian v. DCEU Soops.

Superman has now Become the New Batman on CV.

I argued the same thing for the same reasons. Some people are sticklers for the OP, even when the OP doesn't specify that the Sentinels can't adapt Superman's powers. I completely agree with you. I also think those arguing against the power absorption are missing the point of the thread.

@cramandman: Just went back and read your posts. I now look like Im your alt personality here. lol. Well, for what its worth, Kudos for not only the knowledge but also for looking pretty reasonable in your approach!

Thank you very much! Is it just me or is it a little solipsistic to thank your alt personality?! In any case, I found your rendition of our argument well thought out, concise, and well-stated.