DCEU Superman runs an MCU Brick Gauntlet

Couldn't care less - I'm just making fun out of your stuff for all of the others to see.

And besides: Yes, you are. =)

Hela one-shotted almost everything she touched. Hulk one-shotted a Leviathan, Ultron (2 times), and the Abomination. That's three (or four) more than DCEU Supes, who never had a defining strike in his entire cinematic career. In fact, DCEU WW has more striking feats than Superman when it counts.

Heck, even MCU Iron Man had more defining strikes than DCEU Supes. DCEU Superman is, un-armed, a med-range (meaning mediocre) hitter. Whatever he punches stays the same before and after said punch.

@nucleon: Hela one shotted mjolnir. Hulk hasn't one shotted a named character besides Blonsky. Ultron was so damaged he couldn't fight back, he was still conscious the first time Hulk punched him. He choked out Abomination with a chain. Does choking count as one shot?

Superman's striking gets mega wanked a lot on this forum, but he's no chump. He casually punched through re entry level Kryptonian walls, he punched Nam Ek 300m away and derailed train cars, and he dazed WW with a headbutt.

Thanos one shotting a damaged Thor with a headbutt,Thor KO'ing Iron man, and Thanos one shotting Worthy Cap are all more usable feats.

@kryptonianking88: Hela one shotted mjolnir. Hulk hasn't one shotted a named character besides Blonsky. Ultron was so damaged he couldn't fight back, he was still conscious the first time Hulk punched him. He choked out Abomination with a chain. Does choking count as one shot?

It counts as over-powering him.

Superman's striking gets mega wanked a lot on this forum, but he's no chump. He casually punched through re entry level Kryptonian walls, he punched Nam Ek 300m away and derailed train cars, and he dazed WW with a headbutt.

WTF "Kryptonian walls" ? Do Kryptonian metal gets "super" under a yellow sun too? Nam-Ek weights maybe two times Superman, around 500lbs, and besides, if they were on the ground instead than in the air, the knockback would have been quite mundane. Headbutting WW is actually a durability feat for WW... And another hitting no-feat from Supes. He's got many of these.

Thanos one shotting a damaged Thor with a headbutt,Thor KO'ing Iron man, and Thanos one shotting Worthy Cap are all more usable feats.

True, but Supes doesn't even got the mediocre ones in comparison.

@nucleon:

overpowering isn't one shotting

Meant Kyrptonian metal walls, sorry. Kryptonian metal tanked re entry so hard that it broke the top off a mountain. He probably has some better ones, those are just the ones that come to mind.

doubt Superman could replicate any of those except the first one with a good punch / bullrush. Like I said, Clark gets wanked to the point where he one shots Thor and Thanos, but theres no need to downplay Superman's striking to Iron Man level

Stops at Thor.

@juopamunch11: Yeah no lightning

The only thing Thor loses is flight.

And lightning, and his weapon

Right. Didnt see that. Thor stands no chance.

@juopamunch11:

What punch has Clark thrown that tops Hulk denting silicon carbide vibranium (lowballed w/real metals it's 24k tons), Clark's punching without speed are not on Hulk's levels. Even Hulk's supersonic jumping punches can move mountain level Surtur.

It took Worthy Cap, EG Thor, and Mjolnir's TK to overpower Thanos's one arm. Do you consider that more impressive than Superman holding back a featless character, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman with both arms? Hela casually overpowered Thor with one arm. Thor scales to Hulk who dropped a leviathan.

On durability. Superman is below even Thor durability. Thor took a blast that vaporized a small city and only got KO'd. Clark got left near dead after taking a 1-3 Megaton nuke. Thor's star feat is logically above that since it hurt Thor more. Thanos performed 2 snaps, just one scorched Hulk's arm and was implied to kill Thor. Snap>Star>Sokovia>Nuke

Loki iirc grabbed some random dark elf's sword and stabbed him. Thanos needed a special weapon forged with a star just to kill him. Doomsday got his arm sliced off by a sword made by gods.

Mjolnir bounced off Thanos's head, if he was braced and hit Mjolnir with a punch he could replicate it imo

This means that All Extra Powers(Including Flight) are disabled, speed is equalized, and fights are purely H2H. Characters have to rely on their skill, smarts, and raw physicals.

Stops at Thor if he's prime (Ragnarok/Infinity War), Endgame Thor lost all of the fighting skill and agility to win. Definitely stops at Thanos but could stop at Kurse too.

@kingyang:

Thor has durability/skill, Superman has strength/striking. I think Clark wins, but it wont be easy to put Thor down

If Thor doesn't outfight Clark for the win, Hulk smashes him.

@juopamunch11: So Hulk has better striking. This is a brick battle so speed is irrelevant here. Hulk by scaling is stronger. Hulk held up thousands of tons of rubble with one arm after taking the snap, this is comparable to Superman moving the ship through ice and him flying with a building. He busted through a mountain top, there wasn't even much rubble. Hulk moved Surturs entire upper body. Surtur nearly fell over and he weighs millions of tons so just moving him is impressive.

Well, for consistency sake we can assume Thanos was pushing in SB slowly out of sadism, he was smiling while doing it. Feats for WW that top crushing Iron Man's armor, at best she's equal or a little below BVS Superman? Aquaman's sub feat was 20-40k tons. Thor's ring feat blows it out of the water. Worthy Cap is equal to Pre-Rag Thor so he get's scaling from Hulk

He may have been a little weakened but he seemed to have mostly recovered his power/strength. Sun just healed his wounds.

Thanos's armor has higher piercing durability but its blunt force isn't better. Scarlet Witch crushed Thanos's armor before Thanos himself. Thanos took everything he did in IW without armor - Iron Man's strikes, Spaceship ramming, Building crush

Never said Stormbreaker was star level, but he was said to be the "toughest there is" that's why they went to an Asgardian forge and had Thor do something that nearly killed him. If they could kill him with random alien swords why not just have Rocket scrounge up something? Also, Thor called for a Thanos-killing weapon, not a Power-stone countering weapon.

Loki may have been able to stab through. He did pierce Asgardian armor/Thor skin + he has his own superhuman strength. Gamora's sword is IIRC only notable for being able to pierce random Asgardians. That scenes not a feat for Gamora or against Thanos since he wanted to see how she would react and to kidnap her. He does though. Drax's knives failed to cut him. Russos stated portals wouldn't cut him and that he near impenetrable. He also barehanded blocked a nanosword from Iron Man (1000 tonner based off ferry feat + building feat) with his strength concentrated in such a small area it should easily top any bullet.

Thanos took 3-4 mjolnir hits that fight (uppercut may've hit his chin) + 2 Shield blows (also a piercing feat) then broke in half. Considering that Mjolnir didn't even decap Iron Man with a headshot when it hit him amped by SB (Thor was aiming for Thanos, Thanos picked up Iron Man to block), I think Thanos is atleast stronger than his helmet. Hulk "somewhat" matched Hulk by having his arms pried off and twisted in seconds. Thor got ragdolled everytime Thanos got his hands on him. Just by comparing their beatdown of Thor it's clear Thanos hits harder. Thanos bloodied him in 5 punches and KO'd him with a kick to the chest for minutes. Kurse punched him 10 times and threw a boulder at him and failed to KO him.

@juopamunch11: Surtur was staring right at Hulk, contradicting the script but a script also stated Thor shook a mountain by dropping mjolnir

Thanos also used one hand and was facing stronger opponents. Thor's ring feat was straining him but he wasn't yelling out in pain. Also why would Thor not use max effort against Thanos impaling him? How are they equal? Thanos removed Hulk's hand and twisted them, visibly shocking the Hulk. Thanos beat down Thor in less hits than Hulk.

Those swords don't have anti feats but Kurse doesn't have piercing feats.

Maybe it could, Thanos had super piercy weapons for Glaive, I admit.

Kurse landed 13 punches total, 6 direct strikes before the ground beating, a boulder and all Thor had 2 large cuts on his forehead

Thanos landed 2 stomps to the chest 2 throws and 3 punches, Thor was bleeding around the mouth, cheek, and forehead, and finished him with a stomp to the chest

Would bending over really weaken his strikes to the point he can't outdo 3 punches from Thanos?

.Assuming Thor's hit was accelerated like a baseball, it was 1.18 stronger than a throw, Thanos is definitely better bunt force than his helmet seeing as Iron Man wasn't even dented. Unless Iron Man > Thanos

Thanos overpowered Thor physically twice vs that one dubious instance of Thor "resisting" Thanos's strength

-Worthy Cap, Thor, + Mjolnir TK - overpowered one of Thanos's arms

-Thanos held Thor in a choke which he couldn't break free of

He is consistently above Thor's league

The only thing they got on SM is skill, otherwise he out-stats them all and clears.

@kevd4wg: clears easily

This order is weird. But strenght and sizes are equalised ?

@juopamunch11: They may have stalemated but then that would be PIS. Thanos has overcome Hulk who's stronger than non lightning Thor and Thor needed his own strength + Mjolnir tk to overpower one of Thanos's arms. No way is Thanos equal to Thor with bad leverage

Hulk weighs 1500 lb and was moving at low mach speeds and Surtur was calced at 8 million tons - lowballed scaling up from a human - he likely weighs more due to being made of firey rock.

Thor still used max effort against Thanos though, literally no reason for him not to.

Cap landed 3 hammer strikes on Thanos's head, Iron Man took one batted headshot without being dented. Thanos's piercing < Thanos's armor. His blunt force is even or better, Thanos took direct punches to the head from the Hulk + everything else in IW. He shatters Iron Man's armor with his punches, which means his fists can take the damage He tanked his own power stone punch against Captain Marvel. He took hits from Captain Marvel. Tanked her bullrush at the farm.

Kurse didn't even deflect a throw did he? He hit it when it was returning to Thor.

Rewatched the fight, Thanos lands a kick to the chest, punches stormbreaker out of Thor's hand, throws him, punches him twice in the face, throws him onto a rock, kicks him in the chest, then punches him in the face then the ax struggle happens. 3 Good punches from Thanos made bloodied Thor and made him weary as hell. Also why is it an assumption Thor was ko'd? Was he just sitting back with his ax while Cap had Thanos on his ass?

Kurse got 2 face shots and a headbutt then punched him into a mountain and threw a boulder at him. Thor then had 2 cuts on the forehead and seemed mostly conscious, compare that to Thor being dazed hard by Thanos's attacks. Kurse then got a ground pound and failed to bloody him further. Kurse landed 2 good punches to the head 7 bad ones and a boulder and that only equaled what Thanos did in 3 (Those stomps did not hit his head). Thanos also one shotted a damaged Worthy Cap (he had several minutes to recover while fighting fodder) The damage Thanos did to him was a leg stab, a body slam, a punch to the arms and a shield strike which even normal cap survived.

Hela has 0 strength feats outside of crushing mjolnir (may or may not be hax) and overpowering Thor. The other guys definitely out do Thanos though

This answer is so stupid.

So Rebirth Superman entered new rebirth universe and fought doomsday and their clash causing massive collateral damage and destruction. Rebirth superman was featless at the time and failed to hurt doomsday.

So rebirth superman cant harm mcu "heavy hitters" by your logic? considering the feats only from that issue?

Your arguments are terrible just as always.

Just because two characters dont harm each other does not mean they are weak.

Another example. New 52 superman in his fight against Hél hit Hél hard enough to shake the entire planet yet failed to hurt Hél. What are you saying mcu thanos hits harder because he could hurt mcu cap? Srsly this has to be one of the worst points ive seen in a while.

Clears shirtless.

He most certainly cannot solo all of them combined under these conditions lol

@supermanforever: This answer is so stupid.

So Rebirth Superman entered new rebirth universe and fought doomsday and their clash causing massive collateral damage and destruction. Rebirth superman was featless at the time and failed to hurt doomsday.

So rebirth superman cant harm mcu "heavy hitters" by your logic? considering the feats only from that issue?

WTF N52 Supes ??? OP says "DCEU Superman". I couldn't care less about what happens in N52.

Your arguments are terrible just as always.

Just because two characters dont harm each other does not mean they are weak.

Yes, if these characters are of the same specie.

Another example. New 52 superman in his fight against Hél hit Hél hard enough to shake the entire planet yet failed to hurt Hél. What are you saying mcu thanos hits harder because he could hurt mcu cap? Srsly this has to be one of the worst points ive seen in a while.

I say DCEU Supes has no striking power because he never did hurt anyone.

@juopamunch11:
You keep saying "barely" but ignore feats that prove otherwise. Thanos beat the shit out of Thor in far less hits than Hulk. Hulk racked up several hits in the arena and didn't get blood. And the only evidence of Thanos struggling in that scene is him breathing loudly - he grunts all the time in combat - he screamed when he got hit by starlord and grunted while lifting the Hulk. It's far more likely Thanos was just enjoying avenging his IW self after he watched himself get brutally murdered.

Thanos also hits much harder than Hulk scaling off the Hulkbuster. HB was shown as = to Hulk in striking yet couldn't put him down before he calmed. Thanos took him down in around 10 punches.

It wouldn't matter if Surtur weighed as much as a human, but it does because he weighs atleast 8 million tons. His sword was heavy enough to shake all of Asgard. Could you imagine Captain America moving him? How about a kamikaze attack from a fighter jet? Surtur's durability feat is standing after getting by Mach 1 Building sized Spikes and supporting his own weight.

It didn't look that fast just based off Kurse walking. Kurse's punches didn't even bloody his face it was the boulder apparently, as 7 follow up punches didn't bust up his face further. Thanos bloodied him in 3, safe to say Thor would be in far worse conditions if Thanos replicated Kurse's beatdown

Thanos hit him in the chest several times but punched him thrice in the face. Chest shots wouldn't matter unless Thor started coughing up blood.

After Kurse's beatdown Thor had 2 cuts on the forehead yet looked as conscious or even more than after Thanos's. Thanos headshotted Cap right after he was helping Thor overpowering him, he keeps his powers for a time after losing the hammer. He strong enough to hold his ground w/shield against Thanos after mjolnir was punched out of his hands.

Thanos landed 12ish punches on Hulk and half of them had any build up. Thanos mostly blocked and countered with small jabs. Hulk has shown himself to be Thor's physical superior atleast before the lightning twice. Thanos was holding back on Titan - a choke slam failed to kill Peter, a kick only ko'd drax and Mantis survived a throw. Though I don't think he can one shot Iron Man as he did "tank" a Mjolnir hit. He ko'd EG Thor with a headbutt in that scene. You're right though, this feat is a high end for Thanos as he hasn't one shotted opponents with similar durability.

Even if Thor weighed one ton, it wouldn't be impressive to ragdoll him considering both of these characters are several thousand tonners. Thor threw some fodder alien over 200m away with a very position

She didn't even touch him, that scene doesn't show her physical strength

@nucleon:

WTF N52 Supes ??? OP says "DCEU Superman". I couldn't care less about what happens in N52.

Thats not the point thats your crap logic which makes no sense.

Yes, if these characters are of the same specie.

Being of the same specied makes no argument for the reasoning. This is just an excuse.

If you have two character of the same specied that are durable enough to tank solar system level punches and they can strike with multiplanetary level punches.

So by your ignorant logic their punches are weak and mean nothing because they cant harm each other? This logic is so bad its amazing to even someone making an argument like this. Absolutely ridiculous.

I say DCEU Supes has no striking power because he never did hurt anyone.

Thats not argument to say it wont hurt thanos. So by your delusional logic two character of the same specied that have multiplanetary level punching and solar system level durability cant hurt each other but are punching each other so hard that they destroy multiple planets from the after effect of their punches, but still they cant harm each other because they have solar system level durability.

Does this mean they cant hurt mcu thanos? One of the worst arguments one could make. Shame.

@supermanforever: First, I hope you don't mind if I stay because of arguments - I don't have to substitute ad hominem so far. =)

Okay. Now, about species that can't harm one another; You've got to go into the vegetal to find such a rarity. Loki hurting Thor with an Asgardian blade? That's the norm. Supes and Zod hitting on one another (exclusively w. upward strikes) for hours without sporting a bruise? Now that's ridiculous. If they wanted to showcase durability here, they did so at the expense of their striking power, which. when it counts, is confirmed as mundane. They un-dressed Paul to dress Peter.

In comparison, the MCU heavy hitters can overwhelm one another, and did, many times. It never happened in DCEU Superman's case; The DCEU JL's heavy hitter isn't Superman; it's Wonder Woman equipped with a near-muggle sword.

@nucleon: so you are going to ignore the flawed logic i explained and continue with the same bullcrap you always do? good. I dont have much else to say same old nucleon

Wow look at how mundane.

Look at Thor and Hela's fight and look at Superman and Zod's. There is no comparison when it comes to who is more impressive. One spans a city and one spans part of a throne room.

@kevd4wg:

The Destroyer would be a problem. There's no engine or mechanical parts, so it's power source and energy beam could be magical.

@crunch5481: Wow, mach cones and knockback, not even a bruise *Yawn*.

@crunch5481: While Superman and Zod are definitely stronger, that isn't the best argument. Using that logic, Hulk and Hulkbuster are stronger than Thor and Hela, since their fight spanned a longer distance than Thor VS Hela.

I did not mean for that to be the only or main argument. I only meant to say that one fight was clearly more impressive. And yes the Hulk and Hulkbuster fight was way more impressive then Thor and Hela's. Not saying they're stronger though.

Thor's striking without lightning isn't too impressive, and their strengths are arguably equal.

Hurr durr too fast, statues, tectonic plates

DCEU Superman is the biggest star CV ever had.

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