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1.) He's an energy absorber, captain marvel will power him up just by being near him. Any energy attack is going to charge him

2.) They don't have the speed of skill to evade him.

3.) Almost all of them are one hit kills. I don't know what Thor is doing here he dies immediately. He was at his strongest in endgame and got thrashed. Ironman is useless here and so is Captain marvel.

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@money_brings_happiness: It doesn’t matter how far he bent her leg. What matters is the fact that she put an exhausted and extremely injured Thanos into a chokehold that he immediately flexed out of. He’s stronger than her by quite a bit in their base forms. Her best feat has a lot of parts that call into question how much strength she used.

Without her energy aura she definitely can be overpowered and hurt in this fight. There are a lot of other bricks that don’t have energy attacks that would contribute a lot more because of their size.

I’m glad we agree about her not being needed, she doesn’t have a weapon that would be helpful at all. The same goes for Kurse and Hulk. But at least they can contend because of their size.

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@hermes1220: I assume she can use her auora in this fight which boost her strength and duriability and Thanos has a much larger arm then her foot he only moved it because her foot isn't big enough to stop him from moving. But yeah she isn't necessary.

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#55  Edited By Subline

Team restrain him while Thor cuts his head off.

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@money_brings_happiness: She can but everything she does is energy based. It’s not going to help.

That wouldn’t matter if she was stronger. He was in a bad position and she was not. The way she had him, if she was stronger he should not have broken out of it so easily.

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@money_brings_happiness:

Thread is not about Thanos

Team does

Too slow

Not durable enough

Not strong enough

You made a team who's primary form of attack is energy blast, they will feed DD and make him stronger.

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#58  Edited By chuggachugga170

@icec0ld: 3 people that use energy attacks arent a ''primary'' part of the team, even if u only count thor using lightning and not going for the head

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#59  Edited By icec0ld

@chuggachugga170:

The only thing Thor needs to be going for is a massive speed boost because without it he ain't hitting nothing. Given his fighting style he probably dies first, Thor Russia's headfirst into whoever he's fight he's definitely going to be the so it's very likely that doomsday is even more aggressive than him thus he dies first. As we know is durability is not that great and it does not take much to take him out of a fight danos, as well, hella slashed in once across the stomach and nearly killed him, Ultron smack them up with ease. Everyone else are just minor annoyance not one person on that team is fast enough to land first hit on him let him known hit hard enough to actually hurt him. Then you have people on the team you can't really attack outside of using energy blast which is going to happen even more, on top of the random AOE burst attacks that he spits out.

Hulkbuster, iron Man, hella, vision mama Wanda, Doctor strange. That's a much better team for fighting Doomsday

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Team will win

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Either Thor or Thanos can solo.

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Team wins 10/10

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Thanos gets curbstomped, arguments and writing words won't change the fact that we firmly estabilished DD > Thanos.

his highly skill won't help anything, just mcu fanbase write this stuff.

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Thanos, Kurse, CM, and Hulk should be more than enough to hold him, and then Thor and Hela fillet him.

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Doomsday struggled against Wonder Woman and Superman and people think he'd beat, let alone stomp 6 guys with stats comparable or superior to Superman and three of them with blades that should easily slice through him? Doomsday wank is undying

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@death4bunnies: Thor can literally get one to two shot. Thanos can take a several. But neither is soloing, ever.

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Doomsday struggled against Wonder Woman and Superman and people think he'd beat, let alone stomp 6 guys with stats comparable or superior to Superman and three of them with blades that should easily slice through him? Doomsday wank is undying

Just like DD

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@death4bunnies: Thor can literally get one to two shot. Thanos can take a several. But neither is soloing, ever.

Disagree, Thor can take a few DD hits, like 5-10 and all the energy attacks in the world.

DD is dumb, he punches the sharp parts of swords.

Thanos or Thor solo with a weapon to DD's brain.

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Both solo, this is known.

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DD is not a great combatant, Superman is vastly more dangerous.

Im not even sure DD wanted to fight, he seemed like a misunderstood ugly to me...

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Anyway, everyone who tried to hit DD did, humans with bullets, batman, WW and Superman, connected.....DD blocked like one bushrush from superman...hardly consistent.... hes not some uber dodger.

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Both Thanos and Thors weapons can be recalled(maybe not Thanos's).

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DD catches something sharp to the brain 10/10

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Team still wins this, they can out skill and outsmart him

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@death4bunnies: He really can’t. DD hits with more force than the boulder that blasted Thor and significantly dazed him. His BFD is very overreacted.

He’s smart enough to consistently dodge Superman and dodge Diana as well. Thor rushes in like he always does and gets blown out. Thanos is much smaller than DD and lacks the speed to keep up.

Neither would ever solo him. You’d have to conclude that by themselves they’re a more effective version than Diana and Superman. Who have stats to keep up with DD. Which you can’t.

DD is a Kryptonian and is much more dangerous. He hits harder and has better hax.

I’m not even gonna comment on what came after that.

He dodged WW and blocked her bullrush twice. Dodged Clark twice and blocked his bullrush. Dodging is in character and these characters are much slower than the duo that fought him. He’d have no issue dodging this team.

DD smashes this team more times than not.

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#71  Edited By death4bunnies

@hermes1220:

All you have to conclude is that Diana would of beat DD by her self.....which is something I firmly believe.

His hits knocked her back some, and she came back....he never resisted her sword, and she would of figure out to "go for the head"...

Same same,

Can he knock Thor back...sure.

Can he knock Thanos back.... sure.

But Thor and Thanos have great blunt durability, and Thors axe is TK controlled.

DD isn't going to smash them into the ground, hes going to rag doll them away...then they are going to get up and throw their weapon...because they like to do that.

We both know the feats, Hulk smashing repeatedly into Thors face, Thanos getting rocked by Mjolnir.....dont get me wrong DD hits them...ouch....they are hurt....but not near oneshot.

Both are skilled warriors, and DD ends this battle with uru embedded in his head.

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Doomsday gets wrecked hard.

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#73  Edited By HERMES1220

@death4bunnies: And your conclusion would have to ignore what we saw onscreen in favor of head canon. Onscreen we saw that Diana and Clark couldn’t beat him together. Clearly the only way they win here is because of your head canon. And your argument is also based on Thanos and Thor being as effective as Diana. Which they are not.

She couldn’t reach the head clearly. DD is 20ft tall or more. Grounded heroes will never get to his head. Thanos loses to DD 10/10.

Thor got severely dazed by boulder throw that DD hits harder than. DD has THE best striking of the high tiers minus Thor with mjolnir. Your lowball is honestly ridiculous. DD hits harder than Thanos.

Thor is nigh useless in this fight.

Thanos has never thrown his weapon like a javelin at an actual opponent. That’s not in character. Thor barely throws SB as well.

All that means is that Hulk’s punches<Boulder throw. DD hits harder than Worthy Cap as well. Only Thor’s high end feats are better.

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Lose as usual. Some of them might give him trouble, but he would win in the end.

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Doom....

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DD doesn't have a chance at all the fliers juggle him in the air while Hela cuts him up from a distance and Thor slices him in half. Thanos on the ground would cut of a few limbs by himself and Carols bullrushes are superiors to Supermans and would send him flying. DD would beat all except maybe Hela individually for a majority but all of them could take a few rounds by themselves. This thread really shouldn't be two pages.

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Doomsday can probably solo anybody here. And I'd usually back him because the stat difference is so massive, and DD's ability to suck almost all damage is beyond broken. He probably can even solo almost every duo here.

But against an entire team, it's simply too much.

Doomsday dies.

Almost every character here actually has a way of dealing with Doomsday. If it wasn't for that, if these were just blunt bricks, I'd still say he will eventually win. But just look at what so many of these characters can do:

Thanos: Has a blade that can cut through vibranium. Easily as powerful as Diana's sword, if not more. He will be easily able to damage Doomsday, cut of his limbs and more, if given a chance. And in a massive team fight like this, he will be given a chance.

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Thor: Same as Thanos. His Stormbreaker will only feed up DD with energy if he uses it's blunt side or lightning, but if he uses the actual blade, he can cut DD up real bad. If he goes for the head, he might even one shot DD actually.

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Hela: She is an almost perfect counter to DD. She has a better healing factor than he does, is almost impossible to put down with energy/blunt force, which is the only thing DD can really do, and she can conjure magical weapons of any shapes and sizes to damage Doomsday with, just like Thor and Thanos can. She can spam her blades so much, she can potentially shred Doomsday in seconds.

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Kurse: He would actually be useless here, if it wasn't for BH grenade. With it, he can actually one shot Doomsday.

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The only useless characters here are:

- Captain Marvel (Can only feed DD up with energy and blunt force attacks)

- Iron man (DD will just tear him apart eventually... And he has no magical weapons to damage DD with)

- Hulk (Again, blunt force attacks will just feed up DD)

But even they can at least serve as a distraction.

To sup up,we have 4 characters who can damage Doomsday no problem, even possibly one shot him if given the chance, and 3 solid bricks for distractions. So yeah, even taking stat difference into consideration, Doomsday is getting cut to pieces or atomized with a BHG here. Even if he is able to take someone with him, he can't possibly survive this fight.

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I don't see any of them putting him down without a piercing weapon...

And none of these would pierce him.

But Doomsday gets beaten around a lot before winning.

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I don't see any of them putting him down without a piercing weapon...

And none of these would pierce him.

But Doomsday gets beaten around a lot before winning.

really? Stormbreaker and Thanos's sword that can cut vibranium is not good enough weapon for you?

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Mcu stomps doomsday is overrated as hell.

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If it wasn’t for the military Superman would have ended him

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@hermes1220:

You love bringing up the boulder from Thor 2 but feats don't work that way. Heroes can grow stronger and Thor has grown more powerful since then.

Clark has also grown more powerful since MOS where he was KO'ed by an oil rig explosion unless you still believe current Supes can still be KO'ed by that.

Thor isn't getting KO'ed by DD in one hit.

OT: Team wins as three of them have weapons that can cut through DD and numbers for distractions to land a fatal hit.

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#83  Edited By HERMES1220

@johndeyvido said:

@hermes1220:

You love bringing up the boulder from Thor 2 but feats don't work that way. Heroes can grow stronger and Thor has grown more powerful since then.

I do, it’s the benchmark we can work from to gauge his BFD. Do you have a counter-feat for it? It’s the only quantifiable blunt force feat he has. A couple hits from Thanos=boulder feat iirc. Kurse and Hulk punches<<boulder throw.

But I guess since it disagrees with your truth then it must be wrong, lol.

Clark has also grown more powerful since MOS where he was KO'ed by an oil rig explosion unless you still believe current Supes can still be KO'ed by that.

The difference that I’m assuming you‘re forgetting or flat out ignoring is that Clark was confirmed to grow in power over the course of the movie. Can you say the same for Thor?

His best feats are contradicted by other characters feats and his normal levels. He’s not that good. That’s okay, there are some really good characters here.

Thor isn't getting KO'ed by DD in one hit.

By feats he is. Denying quantifiable facts with empty statements is sad. Bring something meaningful to the table or don’t say anything at all. I’m not going to debate with someone who can only counter my posts with head canon.

OT: Team wins as three of them have weapons that can cut through DD and numbers for distractions to land a fatal hit.

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@hermes1220:

If you can watch all the mcu movies and say with confidence that Thor in his first film = Thor in endgame(in power level) then there is no need for a debate.

Let's agree to disagree... Peace

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@hermes1220:

Im starting to think you dont watch the movies.

What happened right before the boulder being thrown?

Kurse punched Thor hard AF into a mountain......actually im glad you made me rewatch because I missed something.

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If you look close when Thor hits the mountain you can see his body bounce and hit a second time.... lol

That punch was hella good.

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Also come now, Thor has a bunch more feats....but heres one from the same scene and same movie your trying to use, that better than the boulder ^^^

There are tons more....but that one is from literally a second before your lowball feat, you dont think he was maybe dazed from the full assault??

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@hermes1220:

Im starting to think you dont watch the movies.

Okay, cool.

What happened right before the boulder being thrown?

He got beat down. Kurse doesn’t hit very hard. Thor fractured a small amount of rock with that. It’s nice but I can think of 10+ characters just from the MCU that can do that. It doesn’t change the fact that Kurse’s punched<<<boulder throw. That’s plain to see.

Kurse punched Thor hard AF into a mountain......actually im glad you made me rewatch because I missed something.

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If you look close when Thor hits the mountain you can see his body bounce and hit a second time.... lol

That punch was hella good.

The fact that Thor was hurt from that is sad. It’s like << Arthur’s blunt force feats, tbh. Basing Thor‘s blunt force off this would make him below Aquaman in BFD.

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Also come now, Thor has a bunch more feats....but heres one from the same scene and same movie your trying to use, that better than the boulder ^^^

It’s not better. Thor doesn’t really have the best blunt force feats. And this very quantifiable feat for the boulder throw sets a benchmark for his durability. He obviously could take a little more. But he was close to KO there. I could find a figure for that punch you just showed.

There are tons more....but that one is from literally a second before your lowball feat, you dont think he was maybe dazed from the full assault??

Do you have any other feats I should look at for Thor? He doesn’t have a huge pool of them. And tbh, the fact people compare his BFD to the likes of Hulk is crazy. They aren’t close.

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#88  Edited By HERMES1220
@johndeyvido said:

@hermes1220:

If you can watch all the mcu movies and say with confidence that Thor in his first film = Thor in endgame(in power level) then there is no need for a debate.

Let's agree to disagree... Peace

Feats don’t disagree with this idea. And logically it isn’t wrong either. Thor gained one real thing throughout his appearances. His ability to innately manipulate lightning. His biology hasn’t changed at all. And he’s consistently hurt by the same things. I asked for at least something. Clearly you can’t provide it so, yes, we are done.

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@death4bunnies:

He watched it but just wants to lowball as usual.

Yeah, okay. Name an instance of me lowballing a character. You’re clearly mad because you got beat and you can’t handle it.

And btw, attacking my credibility still isn’t a counter and doesn’t change the fact that you’re wrong.

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#89  Edited By death4bunnies

@hermes1220:

I guess my point is it wasnt just one punch or one boulder but a sustained beat down....so I dont think you can say Bolder = Thanos.

He took 10+ punches from Hulk and got by up what do you mean they aren't close.

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Thor shows damage, but he is rarely out of the fight...

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Been KO'd by Sokovia, A broken star, and his ship exploding with powerstone.

Ko's him^^^^^ Doesnt Ko him vvvvv

Withstood Hulks ground and pound, Thanos hits and kicks, Kurse, Hela, Idk it just seems like a lot, hulks striking is particularly impressive.

You are choosing to look at one stand alone quantifiable, when we know what the characters that have hit Thor are capable of....

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#90  Edited By HERMES1220

@death4bunnies said:

@hermes1220:

I guess my point is it wasnt just one punch or one boulder but a sustained beat down....so I dont think you can say Bolder = Thanos.

You‘re right. The feat you showed me was like 100 tons. That puts the total damage Thor took throughout the whole fight to a little over 20000 tons.

He took 10+ punches from Hulk and got by up what do you mean they aren't close.

All that means is Hulk’s normal punches are<<boulder throw. It’s simple. We can clearly see those aren’t his strongest attacks. And Ragnarok as a movie was different because of the comedic tone. The visuals were a lot different. And he had a helmet for most of the beat down. When it came off was when he started seeing his father.

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Thor shows damage, but he is rarely out of the fight...

I seem to recall more then three instances where Thor was down for count in a fight. But I’m the one who doesn’t watch movies... okay.

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Been KO'd by Sokovia, A broken star, and his ship exploding with powerstone.

Ko's him^^^^^ Doesnt Ko him vvvvv

Withstood Hulks ground and pound, Thanos hits and kicks, Kurse, Hela, Idk it just seems like a lot, hulks striking is particularly impressive.

You are choosing to look at one stand alone quantifiable, when we know what the characters that have hit Thor are capable of....

What are they capable of? They would scale around his quantifiable feats. You can just say we shouldn’t do that and that’s that. That makes no sense. Your argument hinges on head canon. I’m choosing a standalone feat that has been quantified and you’re choosing head canon. Which is worse?

Hulk’s normal punches aren’t that strong for one.

Thanos took him out with three punches, two throws and a kick to the face.

Hela has no striking feats.

And Kurse doesn’t hit hard.

Where is your proof of what you’re saying?

For some reason you prefer debates where it’s head canon vs head canon. I don’t, you shouldn’t ignore what we see just because YOU think it should be differently.

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@hermes1220:

Show me down for the count??? He gets dazed a lot but KO'd not a lot.

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Im not sure what head cannon you speak of.

Hulks punches are pretty strong. Kruses punches are 100 tons by your own calc, Hela doest have great quantifiable feats, and Thanos never KO'd Thor to my knowledge, dazed him a bit iirc....like I said.

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Why can we see that when Hulk punches Thor its for some reason not as strong?? Some people think he shook the entire arena.

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Hulk was hitting Thor hella hard with every hit....and again dazed pretty good, but not out.

And again Hulk has plenty of showings above Kurse(like punching through the road and making cars jump) but for some reason you think Hulk was hitting Thor 'soft', so we shouldnt look at Hulks striking feats.

Like in the ground and pound Hulk started using a 2 hand smash,,,it seemed pretty serious to me.

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Im glad we agree on the Kurse thing being a sustained beatdown and not just a bolder; that was main main issue.

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@hermes1220:

Show me down for the count??? He gets dazed a lot but KO'd not a lot.

Thanos ko'd him, Kurse and Hulk tko'd him.

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Im not sure what head cannon you speak of.

Reread my posts and yours. It's too much work rehashing it... again.

Hulks punches are pretty strong. Kruses punches are 100 tons by your own calc, Hela doest have great quantifiable feats, and Thanos never KO'd Thor to my knowledge, dazed him a bit iirc....like I said.

I'll address the Hulk part later. It's not my own calc. But almost anyone can figure how to quantify that. It's not that difficult. Besides, you want people to accept your calcs and respect your calc. So even if I did calc this myself (which I didn't), it doesn't make a difference unless you can break it.

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Why can we see that when Hulk punches Thor its for some reason not as strong?? Some people think he shook the entire arena.

He did before he entered, but that's irrelevant for this debate because he clearly didn't shake the arena when he was punching Thor. The feat you posted below also isn't spectacular, it's super ductile steel and scraps behind it. This doesn't change anything about Hulk's normal punches because it falls into line with my argument, thanks.

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Hulk was hitting Thor hella hard with every hit....and again dazed pretty good, but not out.

As soon as the helmet came off he had him seeing his dad. And iirc it was in three punches. He was tko'd.

And again Hulk has plenty of showings above Kurse(like punching through the road and making cars jump) but for some reason you think Hulk was hitting Thor 'soft', so we shouldnt look at Hulks striking feats.

I didn't say "soft", don't put words in my mouth. I said it was weaker than the boulder throw, which it is.

Like in the ground and pound Hulk started using a 2 hand smash,,,it seemed pretty serious to me.

Yes, Hulk was serious. A serious Hulk by your own words can't output more damage than the boulder throw. We finally agree.

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Im glad we agree on the Kurse thing being a sustained beatdown and not just a bolder; that was main main issue.

Likewise.

Tbh, my argument still stands and is stronger than ever.

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@hermes1220:

Agree to disagree....I think dazed and still ready to fight is not a Tko....dude was battle ready after Hulk, and Kurses beatdown....dazed for sure....

I’ll have to check on the Thanos thing.

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But just so you know I wasn’t discounting the calc....I was just using to to say I don’t think a beatdown of sustained 100 ton punches is so bad.

Like I was accepting the 100 ton calc for Kurses punch.

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@death4bunnies: TKO is when the fighter can’t put a guard back up and continue to defend themselves. Thor was just eating punches and couldn’t do anything about it. That’s a TKO.

I can get with ending the debate.

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@hermes1220: Thor was just eating punches and couldn’t do anything about it. That’s a TKO.

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Wrong.

LOL, he launched Hulk up in the air. What are you talking about?

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#96  Edited By HERMES1220

@chazzer: He always heals after he gains his powers or awakens. How did you allow yourself to post this?

It’s happened from his first appearance to his last.

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@hermes1220: Tbh, my argument still stands and is stronger than ever.

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LOL 😂😂😂😂

What the hell?! No, wrong, in so many ways.

Hilarious.

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#99  Edited By HERMES1220

@chazzer: What’s hilarious is the lack of a counter argument in your post. Laughing and saying ‘lol’ aren’t arguments. I’m still right, and that’s something I can laugh at until I’m proven wrong.

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@hermes1220: Supes was ko'd by a train.

Train>>Doomsday punch