DCEU Olympus vs MCU Asgard

@kroczilla: That's because Arthur, Diana etc are weaksauce, below Iron Man level. This NLF DC fans entertain is infantile, and has no root whatsoever in what we saw on the screen.

And, if speed was the auto-win you assume it is, than the Flash, not Superman, would be DC's most powerful character. Superman isn't doing much in Asgard by simply bullrushing things; Iron Man can bullrush things as easily as Superman does. Heck, Superman doesn't even know how to fight, and furthermore he might be sensible to magical stuff. In Asgard Superman would die quicker than Wonder Woman.

However, if the Hulk replaced Doomsday in JLA, all of the JLA would be dead, given that the Hulk cannot be taken down bt kryptonite.

MCU

I don't see how Olympus can win this with several featless characters.

Also Asgard fodder are far superior.

Team DCEU. People need to read the teams first.

Thor post IW could solo

5000 Valkyries are OP. Asgard wins

Olympus

MCU team is too stacked, 5,000 Valkyries are far better than Atlanteans and Amazons.

@thoromdil: Top kek, So now because an actor jokes around saying one character would beat another we take it as proven fact?

@thoromdil: Eh, took you 2 months to respond, dont even remember this topic

So let me get this straight. A bunch of DC gods who have no real feats get the benefit of the doubt but Odin who was stated to have defeated Hela and Surtur doesn’t

Not to mention a single Valkyrie can fight and spar with Hulk

There are thousands here

Gonna go with Asgard

@plotweapon16255: Depowered Ares would be a bug to Surtur so there goes that arguement

He was shaking all of Asgaurd and at his peak was the size of a mountain. With a giant fiery mountain sized sword capable of tearing through buildings like butter. And shrug off massive building sized Spears

And Aquamans incredible water pressure durability sounds great until you remember he was saved by Diana after some rubble almost landed on him. You can provide whatever logic you want to that but it’s pretty clear the point was it would have hurt him

And yeah Steppenwolf isn’t stronger than Hulk at all. He hasn’t been shown to contend with anyone strong enough to pull off Thor’s ring feat. The only one who is near Thor’s strength that he fought was Superman. Even if we count Superman’s tectonic feat it doesn’t matter because he absolutely bodied Steppenwolf.

And hey there’s also Thor’s armor that withstood the full force of a star. All the Asgardian have apparel like that and weapons capable of damaging it

I actually am starting to feel bad for the DC team

Odin solos, and Thor could arguably solo.

Thor solos now. I still don't know why people think non Kryptonians from the DCEU can tank his lighting. He should easily one shot everyone here without an issue.

Why isn’t hela here. Loki isn’t even asgardian lol. And why doesn’t Thor get stormbreaker?

If the Atlantians start in water why doesn’t thor just summon the mother of all lighting and electrocute the water, killing 5000 people lmao in literally less than a millisecond.

@symbiosis89: everyone on the Olympian team is a bug to surtur lol.

Can any of the Olympian's even lift Mjolnir? Can anyone of them even use magic? Freeze resistance feats for Olympians?

Separate ur reply I have hard time in finding it.

Lol I love MCU trolls like these three guys. "Thor can solo" SURE, of course he can. Good luck to Thor trying to kill ZEUS with his lightning. You guys are unbelievably funny. Though this trolling is really getting old. DCEU stomps this. Just the fact that Atlantians can live on the bottom of the ocean where watter pressure on their heads is thousands of PSI makes them just as powerful as MCU Thor, if not better. And these guys are supposed to be fodder army here. Actual Gods from DCEU like Zeus can reality warp on country scale with a casual hand gesture, permanently altering weather, creating miles of landmass and setting up huge forcefields:

Can one shot other gods even as powerful as Steppenwolf (who with Sups not on board is a JL buster) or Prime Ares (who cleared entire Olympus might I add):

Can casually one shot unified motherboxes, which is a feat that took every bit of power from both reborn JL Superman and Cyborg to accomplish and it visibly hurt and exhausted them:

Zeus would blow Thor's head off with one spell. And that's just Zeus, how about trying to kill WW with lightning?

she cuts Thor's head off with blitz, I have yet to see a single person explain to me why she can't do that if she can no sell his lightning and she is easily faster then Quicksilver to whom Thor was a statue.

vision was able to lift it because he isn’t a real living being. And the rules of the hammer don’t apply to him. Honestly, how can you think lifting Thor’s hammer is dependent on strength? It’s not about strength when it comes to lifting the hammer. Hulk couldn’t lift it and he flipped over the leviathan with one punch and dented vibranium with a single hit. If lifting thor's hammer is strength based, you're basically saying vision is stronger than hulk, who is stronger than wonder woman. I'm detecting high levels of dc wank.

@thoromdil said:

@matthew660 said:

@plotweapon16255 said:

@rajjar said:

Can any of the Olympian's even lift Mjolnir?

Even vision lifted it!

Can anyone of them even use magic?

Zeus, Ares, etc.

Freeze resistance feats for Olympians?

He would be dead long before that happens.

vision was able to lift it because he isn’t a real living being. And the rules of the hammer don’t apply to him. Honestly, how can you think lifting Thor’s hammer is dependent on strength? It’s not about strength when it comes to lifting the hammer. Hulk couldn’t lift it and he practically lifted the leviathan with one arm. If it were, you're basically saying vision is stronger than hulk, who is stronger than wonder woman. I'm detecting high levels of dc wank.

Vision lifting Mjolnir was CLEARLY an indication that Avengers can trust him, because he was WORTHY to lift him. It had nothing to do with his strength or with him being alive or not. Also non-alive objecs can't lift Mjolnir either, they tried:

And there is no reason to believe Wonder Woman isn't worthy to lift the hammer. She is just as honorable and self-sacrificing for humanity and others as Thor, if not more. I'd say she is much more worthy then Thor, who is a legit asshole at times.

then why couldn't cap lift it? Is he not as worthy as vision? And how is thor an asshole? He had his home destroyed just to save his people.

@plotweapon16255: I think I fixed it, sorry still learning to use some of the sites features.

@matthew660: I did say Thor is honorable and self sacrifising and all. I just said he ALSO has his asshole moments which is true. Dont you remember he left Loki for dead with the taser zapping him turned on for hours? Yeah even if your brother is evil you just dont do that. Torturing is wrong, especially your brother that you claim to love.

Anyway Cap probably could lift it but he didnt want to cause Thor any trouble. Thor did promise that whoever lifts it becomes king of Asgard after all. When he tries to lift it you can see the hammer moving, so Cap either could lift it and was only pretending to be struggling or was almost able to lift it, so was almost as worthy as Thor or Vision. Either way, WW with her power of love and sacrifising everything for humanity and other BS could probably lift the hammer. There is no reason why she couldnt. Not that she needs Mjolnir to stomp Thor's ass with her much superior speed and bracelets that no-sell lightnings.

There aren't any on panel feats for Olympian magic. TK is not magic. Neither is TP/illusion-casting unless it is validated by statements.

And if I am wrong, then the Asgardian magic feats apply onto all DCEU durability, since DD got cut, and Ares got one-shotted by his own lightning.

And Olympian's have no freezing resistance either.

Odin defines what is worthy. And Odin and Mjolnir were dead at that point no matter what. The whole idea of WW was based on moral arguments about preserving/culling humanity (since Ares's statements contradict the legends).

Cap couldn't lift it since he realized that Bucky killed Tony's parents in the Zola's scene and never told Stark until they both met Zemo, and AOU takes place between those two films. As for moral character, he was pretty good, and that is why he budged it.

@thoromdil said:

@oreoghoul said:

@thunderprince said:

Odin solos, and Thor could arguably solo.

@amcu said:

Thor solos now. I still don't know why people think non Kryptonians from the DCEU can tank his lighting. He should easily one shot everyone here without an issue.

Lol I love MCU trolls like these three guys. "Thor can solo" SURE, of course he can. Good luck to Thor trying to kill ZEUS with his lightning. You guys are unbelievably funny. Though this trolling is really getting old. DCEU stomps this. Just the fact that Atlantians can live on the bottom of the ocean where watter pressure on their heads is thousands of PSI makes them just as powerful as MCU Thor, if not better. And these guys are supposed to be fodder army here. Actual Gods from DCEU like Zeus can reality warp on country scale with a casual hand gesture, permanently altering weather, creating miles of landmass and setting up huge forcefields:

Can one shot other gods even as powerful as Steppenwolf (who with Sups not on board is a JL buster) or Prime Ares (who cleared entire Olympus might I add):

Can casually one shot unified motherboxes, which is a feat that took every bit of power from both reborn JL Superman and Cyborg to accomplish and it visibly hurt and exhausted them:

Zeus would blow Thor's head off with one spell. And that's just Zeus, how about trying to kill WW with lightning?

she cuts Thor's head off with blitz, I have yet to see a single person explain to me why she can't do that if she can no sell his lightning and she is easily faster then Quicksilver to whom Thor was a statue.

You still have yet to prove how any of the olympions can react to Thor's lightning nor have you provided any proof that any of them can tank it. WW's best combat speed feat is moving in slow motion compared to a mach 2.6 bullet. Thor's best combat feat is moving in slow motion in comparison to a mach 5 QS who made casual bullet level characters like Iron Man and Captain America look like statues.

If you want to compare Odin and Zeus than Odin still stomps. Odin casually conquered the nine realms, stomped Hela who in turn casually defeated all the Asgard's armies and casually crushed Mjolnir, a weapon that no-sold a city destroying explosion. He also defeated prime Surtur who is a casual planet buster. He casually depowered Thor changing his very molecular structure, enchanted Mjolnir, moved from the Asgardian throne room to the edge of the rainbow bridge in less than a second. Atlantians are far weaker than Thor who moved moon sized rings made of alien metal.

Please name durability feats for any of the Olympions or Atlantians that prove they can survive a direct hit from Thor's lightning.

Zeus is nigh-featless. Thor's Ragnarok lightning is equal to several Mjolnir strikes of Thor 1, and you can see for yourself what Mjolnir did to Jotunheim. And raising an island isn't country scale, nor reality warping - it is a TK feat. And given what Ares did, it was probably slow as $hit , because Olympian TK (WW), although possessing a ton of raw power, lacks finesse (which is key for making TK effective in battle) and even Ebony Maw makes it look like toddler level TK skills.

MBs are tech that respond differently to energy and physical attacks. Unless you would argue that the lightning is a pulling feat rather than an explosive one. Thor could replicate the exact same feat, so it doesn't make any difference, especially since Thor has versatility due to Ragnarok, and has actual weather manipulation feats on panel. And if Zeus tries to one-shot he will have to sacrifice himself, and it didn't even work on Prime Ares who was more featless than WW Ares besides lightning durability (Prime Ares would have needed a two-shot, and Zeus didn't have it in him) and only killed even more featless Olympians in a sword fight with Olympian swords (Hephaestus/Apollo even had a flaming sword!), unless you want to argue that falling off of Olympus can kill Olympians, in which case - MCU Hulk > Olympians with his last IW feat via Bifrost, due to distance from Earth, "last of his power" feat of Heimdall via actual magic, and Odin's statements in the tie-in between Thor 1 and Avengers 1.

Point of the matter is, Thor's lightning is much more powerful since it has much more feats. Ares's lightning best feat is a small crater, and WW was able to no sell it even when it was charged. It also seems like that even if the Olympian's could summon even a tickling of lightning, they would have to summon it from the sky, which means they are sitting ducks for Mjolnir, which is backed up on panel by Ares.

Kk

Zeus only has one feat and odin technically only has two on panel feats as well as two off panel feats. Thor was a big jobber in thor 1 and thor the boring world, so i dont get why people are voting asgard here without reading the versions, obviously current versions it would be closer, but its still in olympuses favour

@thunderprince: What version of thor are we using?

It says thor 1 and 2 for Odin not Thor. And unless it's specified it's always current.

Ass-place takes it.

Can u read this?

The MCU version.

@comicgirl21 I think that OP should be slightly edited after Aquaman.

OT, Olympus wins. Between skills of Amazons and tech of Atlantians, Asgardians don't stand a chance.

Zeus > Odin

Diana > Thor

Ares/Arthur/Billy/Artemis >>> Loki/Frigga/Heimdall/Valkyrie

@thoromdil said:

@amcu said:

To much speculation on the Olympian side to know for sure. MCU technically has it by feats.

Every character on the DCEU list has at least some feats. I think DCEU feats are actually much better too. Zeus for example created several races, including the immortal, superhuman race of amazons. He also created an entire island and forcefield surrounding it for amazons, when he was dying. That's far more hax and reality warping than we've seen from any MCU god, especially Asgardians who just claim to be long living aliens who know a bit of magic, rather then actual gods.

So by all means Zeus > Odin when it comes to reality warping and other god like powers. Zeus is actually better in dc then Odin as well. Though Odin should have much more feats as he 100 times more screentime, his feats are almost non existent, while Zeus actually has good feats, among others, he beat Steppenwolf, and casually one shot Unified Motherboxes, which is a feat that visibly exhausted both Superman and Cyborg at the same time.

Zeus beat Odin (better dc, better magic feats)

Ares beats Loki (much better magic and stats)

Wonder Woman beats Thor (much better speed and similar stats)

Artemis beats Frigga (she can one shot an Apocalyptian battleship, while Frigga barely showed any magic at all)

Shazam loses to Heimdall (not enough feats so far... but this one win for MCU won't change the outcome)

Aquaman beats Valkyrie (especially with his new sub feat)

the armies can lose or win depending on many factors, but with so many heavy hitters in DCEU living through their 1v1's they will help overwhelm the all out battle in DCEU's favor as well.

I vote Olympus.

Same