random encounter, who wins?
DCEU Kryptonians vs Team
Team 1 casually stomps.
Team.
@lorenzodesila: Yes.
@lorenzodesila: Oh right I forgot the Marvel team gets blitzed and killed before a thought and can’t ever tag/perceive them.
@noone1996: Not really, but Zod is faster and absolutely stronger than any of the team. Thanos was taking off the armor easily with punches and Cull was beating Tony as well so Zod could one-shot. Cap gets absolutely blitzed and one-shoted and WW is the only one who could do something but I'm sure that Zod can deal with her.
@noone1996: Not really, but Zod is faster and absolutely stronger than any of the team. Thanos was taking off the armor easily with punches and Cull was beating Tony as well so Zod could one-shot. Cap gets absolutely blitzed and one-shoted and WW is the only one who could do something but I'm sure that Zod can deal with her.
@noone1996: Not really, but Zod is faster and absolutely stronger than any of the team. Thanos was taking apart the armor easily with punches and Cull was beating Tony as well so Zod could one-shot. Cap gets absolutely blitzed and one-shoted and WW is the only one who could do something but I'm sure that Zod can deal with her.
WW and Cap are the only ones who can put them down here. Iron Man doesn’t have the consistent output to hurt them consistently. Team two 6-7/10. Team one puts up a good fight.
@lorenzodesila: He’s not one-shotting a character that Thanos and an asteroid couldn’t one-shot. Zod is not stronger than Thanos who scales to being able to overpower Hulk and basically two Thor’s at once. Cap has Thor’s stats so he’s not getting one-shotted either. Especially with his shield. Zod technically has no speed feats to suggest that he wouldn’t get outsped by Diana, let alone getting sliced apart like Doomsday did.
@noone1996: cap does not have Thor stats lol and even if he did a bullrush would take him out the game. Krpytonians borderline stomps
@allhellkingdox: Whoever holds the hammer gets Thor’s power and a single bull rush isn’t one-shotting Thor lmao. Give me a break.
@noone1996: gets thor powers not stats never was that stated Thor durability and strength is not an attributed by his hammer make sense. Cap durability was clearly lower than Thor's Thanos didn't land a direct hit on him yet he was k.od thor got basher up alot. Yes a bullrush would do cap in we've seen kurse boulder toss leave thor dazed and bloodied zod's bullrush punch sent clakr through 2 building city blocks apart and faora threw clark like 5 city blocks through concrete, steel, then dented a nuke proof bank vault even with Thor's pissy blunt force durability he loses casually.
Team 2 wrecks.
Speed advantage , Strength advantage , Flight advantage and more durability coupled with ranged attacks like laser.
What can team 1 exactly do ?
It’s funny because Iron Man has the best blunt force durability in this thread. DCEU wank never ends.
Team 1 casually stomps.
Team.
I LOLed
@lorenzodesila: He’s not one-shotting a character that Thanos and an asteroid couldn’t one-shot. Zod is not stronger than Thanos who scales to being able to overpower Hulk and basically two Thor’s at once. Cap has Thor’s stats so he’s not getting one-shotted either. Especially with his shield. Zod technically has no speed feats to suggest that he wouldn’t get outsped by Diana, let alone getting sliced apart like Doomsday did.
Bro he was off-screen for minutes because of the meteor. In any 1v1, that would count as a OHKO lol.
It’s funny because Iron Man has the best blunt force durability in this thread. DCEU wank never ends.
Team 1 casually stomps.
Dumb downed version:
Tony dies first after getting speed blitzed and beaten to death. Cap gets a couple good hits in, but ultimately gets overwhelmed and killed. Wonder Woman takes on the remaining two or three and gets taken out with moderate difficulty. Team 2 has the complete speed, striking damage, and durability advantage. Team 1 has no counter to that.
Kryptonians team for the win.
@crunch5481: Maybe he was stuck underneath thousands of tons of solid rock? Point is, he TANKED that and then went on to take a beating from Thanos and then several power gem blasts before his nanites ran out during self-repair.
@lorenzodesila: MoS is widely accepted as not as powerful as he has become in later films so simple kindergarten level ABC logic doesn't work so well.
Tanking punches from him <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< piece of moon.
gets thor powers not stats never was that stated Thor durability and strength is not an attributed by his hammer make sense.
He gets his powers, but his strength and durability are somehow not part of his powers...? Oh...Kay? Then how was Cap even hurting Thanos with Mjolnir if he only had street level strength? He was literally BREAKING Thanos' armor. Not even Hulk could do that... "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor". So that was only referring to lightning emission? That makes tons of sense. Must be why in Thor's first film he only got his weather manipulation powers back after he became worthy again...
Cap durability was clearly lower than Thor's Thanos didn't land a direct hit on him yet he was k.od thor got basher up alot.
He actually did land direct hits on him, but he may have only been fodderized because he was not wielding the hammer every time he was hit.
Yes a bullrush would do cap in we've seen kurse boulder toss leave thor dazed and bloodied zod's bullrush punch sent clakr through 2 building city blocks apart and faora threw clark like 5 city blocks through concrete, steel, then dented a nuke proof bank vault even with Thor's pissy blunt force durability he loses casually.
Lmao all of this debunked nonsense.... Next you'll be telling us that Superman can move tectonic plates... There's no "nuke proof bank vault". That nonsense is not even worth debunking. A bank vault cannot withstand a direct nuclear blast. Also, thousands of tons of solid rock being thrown by someone that can lift thousands of tons (Kurse) is not an anti-feat, and sending someone flying through concrete and steel is not impressive. Hulk literally had an entire skyscraper, inevitably made of plenty of concrete and steel, dropped on top of him AFTER he was pushed through every floor by someone of comparable strength as missiles blew up around them.
MoS is widely accepted as not as powerful as he has become in later films so simple kindergarten level ABC logic doesn't work so well.
Except MOS Superman has the striking to causally bust through kryptonian metal which has better durability feats than a leviathan does. Zod no sold those.
Tanking punches from him <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< piece of moon.
Classic no one DCEU lowballing, Iron Man's surface area compared to the meteor is so tiny that he wouldn't even be tanking 1/1000 of the total force.
@crunch5481: Maybe he was stuck underneath thousands of tons of solid rock? Point is, he TANKED that and then went on to take a beating from Thanos and then several power gem blasts before his nanites ran out during self-repair.
What do you mean he tanked it? He got taken out for a while I don't understand how he tanked anything there. Also looking at that impact it isn't that impressive. It was big, but the planet had low gravity and the meteor took a while to come to a stop and he is only man-sized in all that.
It’s funny because Iron Man has the best blunt force durability in this thread. DCEU wank never ends.
My reaction exactly.
@crunch5481: Like I said, him being out of the picture does not mean he was KO'd or damaged. Even when you downplay the impact with low gravity and it not "looking good", it still makes their best durability feats look like a cakewalk. Thousands of tons (extremely conservative estimate) of a building sized rock being thrown at someone, even at 5 mph in moon levels of gravity, would still be extremely impactful.
@crunch5481: Like I said, him being out of the picture does not mean he was KO'd or damaged. Even when you downplay the impact with low gravity and it not "looking good", it still makes their best durability feats look like a cakewalk. Thousands of tons (extremely conservative estimate) of a building sized rock being thrown at someone, even at 5 mph in moon levels of gravity, would still be extremely impactful.
Him being out of the picture and unable to battle means he was taken out lol.
Except it depends entirely on the physics of the impact. When it first hits him it barely transfers any force onto him. The damaging part was when it hit the ground and he was between it and the ground. But that collision took a long time relative to the time most collisions take place and so the impulse in that situation would be much less since that time interval was larger. Also it was spread out and not all focused on Iron Man.
Team 1. I still think WW can hang with any of them (and easily beat Faora/Namek) because of the BvS fight. Doomsday>>>all of them.
If Zod is adapted this is different, but the pic shows armored Zod. He can beat Iron Man and Cap individually (not effortlessly but decisively) but would lose to Diana imo.
Diana could solo arguably, she is faster than everyone but Zod (who is equal at best) and has a oneshot weapon.
Team 1 in a hard fight. Diana MVPs and takes out Zod and helps the others after she's done. Both Tony and Steve have a good shot against Faora/Nam Ek
@crunch5481: It could mean that he was trapped underneath the rock which doesn't necessarily mean his durability was bypassed or that he was KO'd or one-shotted. How is that hard to understand? Even if evidence came to light about Iron Man getting knocked out by that impact, surviving it alone is impressive enough. Especially considering what his armor helps him through later.
How do you know how much force is transferred onto him? You are literally making stuff up as you go. Where is the evidence that the impact would be considerably less? What's your personal quantification of that feat? Small house busting level? Less? Smh.
The Kryptonians win. Wonder Woman and Faora will undoubtedly go at it, and though there's some debate here, I think Cap will go after Zod while Tony and Namek fight. Zod and Wonder Woman both take down their opponents near instantly. Zod would destroy Wonder Woman in a 1v1, which it will be since Tony will be busy getting himself beat up by Namek.
I mean, seriously, Iron Man loses to anyone here, there's a legitimate debate on whether Cap even matters to anyone but Namek, and Wonder Woman can't beat Zod. The only possible way the Earthlings win is if Cap goes after Namek and Tony fights Zod, which will actually give Diana an opening for making a 2v1, though even then it is a debate on whether Iron Man and Wonder Woman together could take down the General. Cap could probably take down Namek, though that is also a debate. Regardless, even if Namek beats Cap, Diana would one shot him. Then it's fighting over who would win between Zod and the team minus maybe Cap.
And yes, I do have this high an opinion of Zod.
Zod and Wonder Woman both take down their opponents near instantly.
Cap is atleast as durable as pre-Ragnarok Thor, who took a ground pound from the Hulk without a scratch and a blast that vaporized Sokovia. What striking feat allows him to near instantly beat Cap?
Zod would destroy Wonder Woman in a 1v1,
Diana, with her gear, was holding her own against Doomsday who could easily react to Clark's bullrushes, she also hurt Clark with a headbutt
which it will be since Tony will be busy getting himself beat up by Namek.
Nam Ek doesn't have the energy feats to not get lasered or beaten by Tony's energy blasts. Tony's energy blasts can one shot spaceships and his lasers easily pierce reentry lvl metal which is above the skyscrapers Zod cuts through. He also lacks piercing feats so he gets sliced by the sword.
I mean, seriously, Iron Man loses to anyone here,
L A S E R S. Plus neither Faora or Nam Ek have striking comparable to even the Hulk. And Iron Man took strikes from a bloodlusted Thanos and a batted Mjolnir.
there's a legitimate debate on whether Cap even matters to anyone but Namek,
No one here is gonna tank lightning that hurt Thanos or get past his durability easily.
and Wonder Woman can't beat Zod.
She's durable enough to take a couple blows, has a one shot weapon, and faster combat speed
though even then it is a debate on whether Iron Man and Wonder Woman together could take down the General.
Tony + Diana vs Zod is a stomp for the heroes. Iron Man soaks up his blows and distracts him with energy blasts or just outmuscles him (Tony briefly wrestled with Thanos and help up a large tower). Diana stabs him in the heart while he's battling Tony.
Cap could probably take down Namek,
Nam Ek's best hope would be to blitz Cap away from Mjolnir, otherwise he gets one shotted by lightning
Cap is atleast as durable as pre-Ragnarok Thor, who took a ground pound from the Hulk without a scratch and a blast that vaporized Sokovia. What striking feat allows him to near instantly beat Cap?
With what indication? I don't remember him doing anything that even suggests this.
Diana, with her gear, was holding her own against Doomsday who could easily react to Clark's bullrushes, she also hurt Clark with a headbutt
Doomsday is a mindless brute, I could have held my own for a bit against someone his size with that mindset. Zod is much, much faster than Diana could ever hope to react to, considering his multiple feats of traveling to space, back down to Earth, blitzing Superman, etc.
Nam Ek doesn't have the energy feats to not get lasered or beaten by Tony's energy blasts. Tony's energy blasts can one shot spaceships and his lasers easily pierce reentry lvl metal which is above the skyscrapers Zod cuts through. He also lacks piercing feats so he gets sliced by the sword.
Iron Man doesn't go for long range fighting unless he knows what he's up against. Even against Hulk, he fought up close. The chances of him staying back and fighting from a range are low, and up close, Tony's getting ragdolled. Namek threw a multi-hundred ton train almost a thousand feet. Nothing Iron Man did compares to that.
L A S E R S. Plus neither Faora or Nam Ek have striking comparable to even the Hulk. And Iron Man took strikes from a bloodlusted Thanos and a batted Mjolnir.
Lasers aren't doing anything to people who take Superman's heat vision that are as hot as the surface of the Sun. And it doesn't matter that they aren't as strong as Hulk or Thanos, neither is Iron Man.
No one here is gonna tank lightning that hurt Thanos or get past his durability easily.
Hurting Thanos doesn't really matter to me. Just about everything he was hit with hurt him, he just soaked it like a tank and wasn't damaged at all. Star Lord hurt the dude.
She's durable enough to take a couple blows, has a one shot weapon, and faster combat speed
This is just wrong. Without her shield, she was downed in two hits by Superman. Zod will put her down quick.
Tony + Diana vs Zod is a stomp for the heroes. Iron Man soaks up his blows and distracts him with energy blasts or just outmuscles him (Tony briefly wrestled with Thanos and help up a large tower). Diana stabs him in the heart while he's battling Tony.
Tony would get absolutely demolished by Zod's blows. Zod was known for creating shockwaves that destroy hundreds of feet of metal. Context involved, this still puts every. single. hit. Zod sends at a ridiculous level. And if both Tony and Zod are airborne, Diana wll be useless.
Cap is atleast as durable as pre-Ragnarok Thor, who took a ground pound from the Hulk without a scratch and a blast that vaporized Sokovia. What striking feat allows him to near instantly beat Cap?
With what indication? I don't remember him doing anything that even suggests this.
Surviving a bloodlusted Thanos bodyslamming him and punching him directly in the face. Don't bring up IW because Thanos was holding back there.
Diana, with her gear, was holding her own against Doomsday who could easily react to Clark's bullrushes, she also hurt Clark with a headbutt
Doomsday is a mindless brute, I could have held my own for a bit against someone his size with that mindset. Zod is much, much faster than Diana could ever hope to react to, considering his multiple feats of traveling to space, back down to Earth, blitzing Superman, etc.
That's travel speed. Superman doesn't even use that type of speed against Flash.
Nam Ek doesn't have the energy feats to not get lasered or beaten by Tony's energy blasts. Tony's energy blasts can one shot spaceships and his lasers easily pierce reentry lvl metal which is above the skyscrapers Zod cuts through. He also lacks piercing feats so he gets sliced by the sword.
Iron Man doesn't go for long range fighting unless he knows what he's up against. Even against Hulk, he fought up close. The chances of him staying back and fighting from a range are low, and up close, Tony's getting ragdolled. Namek threw a multi-hundred ton train almost a thousand feet. Nothing Iron Man did compares to that.
Tony goes cqc after testing his ranged weapons. Thanos no sold everything - missiles, mini missiles, repulsors - so he went up close. He even uses his repulsors + flight against Cull. A single freight car weighs 30 tons. Hulk in 2008 threw a 10 ton boulder further. Tony did manage to briefly tussle with Thanos so he should be strong enough to contend with Kryptonians
L A S E R S. Plus neither Faora or Nam Ek have striking comparable to even the Hulk. And Iron Man took strikes from a bloodlusted Thanos and a batted Mjolnir.
Lasers aren't doing anything to people who take Superman's heat vision that are as hot as the surface of the Sun. And it doesn't matter that they aren't as strong as Hulk or Thanos, neither is Iron Man.
Superman's best feat of HV scales off Zod who cut through a skyscraper. Iron Man cut a more durable material.
Thanos, scaling off how they both beat down Thor, strikes around 2-3 times harder than Hulk. Yet he still failed to one shot the MK 85
No one here is gonna tank lightning that hurt Thanos or get past his durability easily.
Hurting Thanos doesn't really matter to me. Just about everything he was hit with hurt him, he just soaked it like a tank and wasn't damaged at all. Star Lord hurt the dude.
Thanos has great energy durability though, making him scream out in pain is something. He tanks 2 snaps from the gauntlet and no sells several missiles/repulsors from Iron Man.
Star Lord's thing not an anti feat. It's alien tech, unquantifiable. Same tech restrained Iron Man for a full minute.
She's durable enough to take a couple blows, has a one shot weapon, and faster combat speed
This is just wrong. Without her shield, she was downed in two hits by Superman. Zod will put her down quick.
With her shield, yeah. Her blunt force db is pretty shit without it.
Tony + Diana vs Zod is a stomp for the heroes. Iron Man soaks up his blows and distracts him with energy blasts or just outmuscles him (Tony briefly wrestled with Thanos and help up a large tower). Diana stabs him in the heart while he's battling Tony.
Tony would get absolutely demolished by Zod's blows. Zod was known for creating shockwaves that destroy hundreds of feet of metal. Context involved, this still puts every. single. hit. Zod sends at a ridiculous level. And if both Tony and Zod are airborne, Diana wll be useless.
That clash required both Superman and Zod to create a shockwave, not that that matters much. Shockwaves hardly mean anything in the MCU. It's better to scale striking power by how durable the opponent is rather than environmental damage. Thanos hits at like peak human speeds and still bloodies Thor in 3 punches, so his bloodlusted punches can hurt someone with Sokovia-level durability. Not to say that he could destroy Sokovia in 3 hits. That same Thanos kneed and elbowed Tony and failed to KO him
Also, Diana can jump pretty high and far. Zod's gonna have to watch out for that.
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