@rajjar: Really quickly, what feats does Thor’s lightning cloak have, other than Wakanda.
Uh, why is Wakanda irrelevant again?
It fodderizes Asgardians, who, despite being zombies, counted among Asgard's creme of the crop, in it's war-making prime. Thor disintegrated them, necrotized flesh and armor. And Asgardian flesh and armor?
Hence, it should be enough to prevent Faora, who has $hit energy durability to begin with, from being able to fight to the best of her capacity and guard against Thor's lightning-charged punches, when said electricity rolls off Thor and goes onto her.
@rajjar: Really quickly, what feats does Thor’s lightning cloak have, other than Wakanda.
Uh, why is Wakanda irrelevant again?
It fodderizes Asgardians, who, despite being zombies, counted among Asgard's creme of the crop, in it's war-making prime. Thor disintegrated them, necrotized flesh and armor. And Asgardian flesh and armor?
Hence, it should be enough to prevent Faora, who has $hit energy durability to begin with, from being able to fight to the best of her capacity and guard against Thor's lightning-charged punches, when said electricity rolls off Thor and goes onto her.
Wakanda would be irrelevant probably due to that lightning Cloak being enhanced by Stormbreaker. This being a H2H fight would mean his lightning cloak wouldn't be that potent.
I don't think disintegrating the undead soldiers is that good a feat since everybody who hit them made them crumble into pieces-- flesh and armor included, those are physical hits, so I'd think plasma can do a bit more since it also brings heat into the equation.
@rajjar: Really quickly, what feats does Thor’s lightning cloak have, other than Wakanda.
Uh, why is Wakanda irrelevant again?
It fodderizes Asgardians, who, despite being zombies, counted among Asgard's creme of the crop, in it's war-making prime. Thor disintegrated them, necrotized flesh and armor. And Asgardian flesh and armor?
Hence, it should be enough to prevent Faora, who has $hit energy durability to begin with, from being able to fight to the best of her capacity and guard against Thor's lightning-charged punches, when said electricity rolls off Thor and goes onto her.
Wakanda would be irrelevant probably due to that lightning Cloak being enhanced by Stormbreaker. This being a H2H fight would mean his lightning cloak wouldn't be that potent.
If so, I don't know how Stormbreaker can enhance the potency of Thor's cloak without the cloak actually touching it first.
Independently, I dunno if Stormbreaker produced the lightning in said feat.
Because at the very end, the cloak was coming from Thor's body, while SB had the same blue flame, and a tiny crackle on the ax side. So I doubt that SB did much beyond the physical impacts it was producing.
But then again, we didn't see what was happening inside those ships, so there is a fair chance my interpretation is wrong.
I don't think disintegrating the undead soldiers is that good a feat since everybody who hit them made them crumble into pieces-- flesh and armor included, those are physical hits, so I'd think plasma can do a bit more since it also brings heat into the equation.
Fair. But I suppose with what I'm trying to use it for, the burden of proof is far less than what's required for "Cloak one-shots MOS Kryptonians gg", though I think it helps him out in finding avenues of offense that his limbs couldn't access without it.
If so, I don't know how Stormbreaker can enhance the potency of Thor's cloak without the cloak actually touching it first.
Independently, I dunno if Stormbreaker produced the lightning in said feat.
I hate to use statements for arguments, but I haven't got much choice here. Odin confirmed that Mjolnir was channeling Thor's powers, not giving him them;
That hammer was to help you control your power, to focus it.
Following this line of reasoning, Stormbreaker would help focus Thor's powers and would do a better job due to it being a stronger weapon than Mjolnir and Thor unlocking his full potential prior to wielding it.
Fair. But I suppose with what I'm trying to use it for, the burden of proof is far less than what's required for "Cloak one-shots MOS Kryptonians gg", though I think it helps him out in finding avenues of offense that his limbs couldn't access without it.
I hate to use statements for arguments, but I haven't got much choice here. Odin confirmed that Mjolnir was channeling Thor's powers, not giving him them;
Well yeah.
Following this line of reasoning, Stormbreaker would help focus Thor's powers and would do a better job due to it being a stronger weapon than Mjolnir and Thor unlocking his full potential prior to wielding it.
True, but at this point in time, Thor can operate his powers independently post-Ragnarok. I don't like being nit-picky, but wouldn't the lightning have to touch/generated from SB for said channeling to occur?
@rajjar: I wasn’t attacking you or being accusatory, I was genuinely curious as I couldn’t recall it doing anything spectacular. That being said, the ship busting feat is from Thor’s bullrush, not his lightning cloak alone.
@rajjar: Not really. It's said he uses Mjolnir to focus his powers overall, not that he uses the weapon to use them at all. (I mean he actually did, but Odin's lesson was that he didn't need to)
Seeing the tendrils of lightning at best just disintegrate soldiers that were already being turned to bread crumbs from hits turn to going through a ship while wielding an axe is indication to me that the axe has something to do with it.
@rajjar: I wasn’t attacking you or being accusatory, I was genuinely curious as I couldn’t recall it doing anything spectacular. That being said, the ship busting feat is from Thor’s bullrush, not his lightning cloak alone.
Fair, sorry to come off like that.
Sure, it was Thor's bullrush, but a majority of the explosions did follow the direction the lightning arcs were going. Look at the 5th one -
I think they are mainly responsible for the outer part, with the inner parts of the ship being destroyed via bullrush as you said, since I dunno if the explosions would have been so fast without the cloak, since the lightning bolts did occur a split second before the explosions.
@rajjar: Not really. It's said he uses Mjolnir to focus his powers overall, not that he uses the weapon to use them at all. (I mean he actually did, but Odin's lesson was that he didn't need to)
Seeing the tendrils of lightning at best just disintegrate soldiers that were already being turned to bread crumbs from hits turn to going through a ship while wielding an axe is indication to me that the axe has something to do with it.
Ok, but do you think this would still hold true for lightning summoned from the sky that didn't touch the ax?
@rajjar: Not really. It's said he uses Mjolnir to focus his powers overall, not that he uses the weapon to use them at all. (I mean he actually did, but Odin's lesson was that he didn't need to)
Seeing the tendrils of lightning at best just disintegrate soldiers that were already being turned to bread crumbs from hits turn to going through a ship while wielding an axe is indication to me that the axe has something to do with it.
Ok, but do you think this would still hold true for lightning summoned from the sky that didn't touch the ax?
Not sure, seeing as he never called lightning from the sky with Stormbreaker as far as I remember. The strongest lightning he called down was supposedly on Hela, but I think his lightning on Sokovia was probably stronger.
@rajjar: Not really. It's said he uses Mjolnir to focus his powers overall, not that he uses the weapon to use them at all. (I mean he actually did, but Odin's lesson was that he didn't need to)
Seeing the tendrils of lightning at best just disintegrate soldiers that were already being turned to bread crumbs from hits turn to going through a ship while wielding an axe is indication to me that the axe has something to do with it.
Ok, but do you think this would still hold true for lightning summoned from the sky that didn't touch the ax?
Not sure, seeing as he never called lightning from the sky with Stormbreaker as far as I remember. The strongest lightning he called down was supposedly on Hela, but I think his lightning on Sokovia was probably stronger.
Well, it fits under the idea of channeling yielding much more damage than lightning alone. And/or Asgard being hella durable.
What are you folks smoking. Thor showed plenty of skills I'm ragnor. Also he's stronger far more durable. Even weaker Clark beat her fairly easily. And Prime Thor vs Clark now is a toss up..Thor wins but Faora makes him work for it..she has burst if speed not combat speed he can't deal with
@destinyman75: That Clark wouldn't beat Faora in H2H (no flight) either, tbh. She was clearly thrashing him in speed, and her hits also hurt him (even knocked him out for a bit with Nam-Ek's help). He cheap shotted her mask, that's how he won, not sure how you consider that "beat her fairly easily".
@lan_fan: with Nam eks help. And even so she has the mask weakness and, all she really has is bull rush which don't overcome the Thunder God let alone Hela....Be a good fight to see though
@batman242: lol no way. Thor vs Clark is a toss up. Faora is a decent fight with her bull rushes but that's not enough. His lightning and or Clark can offset that rather quickly. Wouldn't mind seeing it though
@destinyman75: She didn't have Nam-Ek when she was embarrassing Superman in speed. I'm pretty sure she's pretty much in the same league as Clark, but with better speed, and no flight, heat vision, freeze breath, etc... Which is not a factor in hand to hand. Even with her mask weakness, she wouldn't just let Thor punch it, even then it barely got destroyed by Superman's bullrush, which packs much more force than Thor's punches.
She has a massive combat speed advantage, and I don't see why her strikes wouldn't hurt Thor and put him down at some point.
People should really watch Man of Steel again. How did you guys get the conclusion that Nam-Ek and Faora are physically far weaker than Superman? I don't see it at all.
@lan_fan: People usually like to ignore that the only reason the fight with them ended in a draw was because Clark used his flight to gain an advantage and Faora had her attention elsewhere. If Clark had no flight, he'd have probably never tagged Faora until he realized how fast he was himself.
@daywalker88: Damn dude, what's your problem? I'm pretty sure we're just having a civil discussion here. If anyone is hurt, it's probably you, and I don't even know why.
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