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#101 Posted by darkerrrrrrrrrr (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@rockette said:

Thor & Hulk together would be a good fight for Doomsday.

If you add in Scarlet Witch and/or Vision I say that the MCU Avengers have this in the bag.

Doomsday was tossing supes around and superman could beat thor and hulk.

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#102 Posted by Khael (15331 posts) - - Show Bio

@superhero24: It was stated that Asgardian magic is just a super high technology but that's about it.

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#103 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarlet, Hulk and Thor bloodlusted? They stomp Doomsday, this is a mismatch

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#104 Edited by Superhero24 (4766 posts) - - Show Bio

@khael:

well, that is what I tried to explain to the other dude. When you get to all these alien species you have to see how advanced they are. Do they fall under science fiction or Science fantasy? Science fiction species have tech that we cant replicate, because we dont have the proper materials or enough raw energy to do so. We still have an idea of have of how to possibly create the tech but dont have what is needed. Science Fantasy is like the Xeelee, Precursors, Culture, and Q. They have tech we have the most general idea of how it works. It is as Thor explained science and magic in one. They also require stuff that isnt from our dimension or universe. The bifrost shooting people billions of times faster than light with keen accuracy without the effects of moving that fast is science fantasy. Thor's hammer is also science fantasy. The hammer never breaks the ground underneath it even when Hulk was trying to lift it up in the Avengers. The hammer also having time manipulation powers in the comics along with sustained Massively hypersonic flight (MCU) to FTL (Comics) adds to it being magic.

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#105 Posted by Chris-Sama (3624 posts) - - Show Bio

@superhero24: There really isn't a point in fighting this argument they will fight to the death to prove magic doesn't exists amongst the asgardian when some things can't even be explained as technology.

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#106 Posted by DammeFavour (8502 posts) - - Show Bio

@superhero24: maybe because ur misinterpreting stuff? the bifrost doesn't shoot people at ftl speed, even jane understands that its a wormhole generator, the image from the hubble telescope already proves that the bifrost can't have a direct site to earth, the hammer essentially does what iron man's gauntlets do when they try to return to tony, all of this is still under science fiction. increasing the weight of something only takes some dampening stuff or density manipulation, all of which are possible with science

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#107 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarlet bloodlusted could solo tbh

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#108 Posted by Shadow411 (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkerrrrrrrrrr:

Why would supes be able to take on Hulk, but not DD. Hulk has much better durability/strength feats than DD. The only thing Hulk hasn't tanked yet is a nuke, and that's only because we haven't seen him get hit by one, but that same nuke KO'd Superman. And in this fight, there is no kryptonite to stop this guy, so JL would just be screwed.

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#109 Posted by webinyoureye11 (5787 posts) - - Show Bio

@superhero24: There really isn't a point in fighting this argument they will fight to the death to prove magic doesn't exists amongst the asgardian when some things can't even be explained as technology.

I honestly can't decide which is worse, CW fans, or DCEU fans. I mean, the length they will go to discredit/downplay the MCU knows no limits

Thor stated science and magic are the same, he never said that magic doesn't exist, but that's not what you'll hear MCU haters say. Also, no science fiction technology really explains the infinite stones, or Scarlet Witch, or the events of Dr. Strange, so yeah. No point arguing with people who don't want to admit they are bias and wrong

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#110 Edited by DammeFavour (8502 posts) - - Show Bio

@superhero24: maybe because ur misinterpreting stuff? the bifrost doesn't shoot people at ftl, even jane understands that it is essentially a wormhole generator (einstein rosen bridge), shooting at ftl would literally not work because from the hubble image jane showed, the bifrost is almost never going to have a direct path to earth, it also proves that mcu asgardians are from the same dimension as the other mcu guys, thor's hammer flying and returning to thor is literally replicated with iron man's armor returning to him from that small town, thor's is just more sophisticated being from an advanced civilization and all. all these fall under science fiction. this is also supported by the fact that shield was able to reverse engineer the destroyer and their soul forge thingy was immediately recognized by jane to be a science thingy, there was even a deleted scene with a toy with advanced flying tech, not magic

plus its stated in agents of shield that the bifrost opens below the ozone layer

@webinyoureye11: lol......thor essentially stated the difference in perception between 2 eras of humanity, its tech. no one said there was no magic in the mcu, just in asgard. wanda isn't magic, neither was qs

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#111 Posted by Superhero24 (4766 posts) - - Show Bio

@DammeFavour:

There is also the problem that you can see the whole trip while being shot out the bifrost and hela has a fight with loki and thor while being propelled by the bifrost, so just a wormhole is false. Wormholes are supposed to be instant almost like Teleporting. You are just spitting crap out about Thor's hammer. Fitz and Jemma are two of shields smartest scientist, yet they knew little on Asgards supposed tech even with all the time they have seen it and had tech from asgard in their hands. They made something similar to the Destroyer power not exactly the same. The destroyer has no inner wires or stuff that should be in it to make it work. We have no idea also how they made the gun. They could have just took some of the metal of the destroyer and made the weapon from it. As I said, you can explain the tech in a general sense but not completely understand it like with Jane or Tony's armor. There is also Heimdall being able to see stuff that is invisible to human eyes and Thor's eyes, and seeing a water drop fall from a leaf 1,000 words away. He can also listen to conversations numerous light years away.

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#112 Edited by DammeFavour (8502 posts) - - Show Bio

@superhero24: have u watched any movie ever? they always show the inside of a wormhole, hey its a wormhole, its supposed to shorten time and distance, it takes a lot more than 1 second even while using a wormhole, they are not instant. yea, they reverse engineered the destroyer, that was also in the tie in comic, they opened it up, how do u know the destroyer had no inner workings? ur making alot of false and baseless assumptions. i'll attribute heimdall's stuff to just powers same as every powered individual.

fitz and jemma repaired lorelei's mouth thingy, so they definitely have some idea about asgardian tech and they could also predict where the bifrost would land

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#113 Posted by Supermanforever (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@tj849 said:

Scarlet, Hulk and Thor bloodlusted? They stomp Doomsday, this is a mismatch

quite the oposite, doomsday stomps. Better in absolutely every way,

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#114 Edited by Supermanforever (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadow411 said:

@darkerrrrrrrrrr:

Why would supes be able to take on Hulk, but not DD. Hulk has much better durability/strength feats than DD. The only thing Hulk hasn't tanked yet is a nuke, and that's only because we haven't seen him get hit by one, but that same nuke KO'd Superman. And in this fight, there is no kryptonite to stop this guy, so JL would just be screwed.

Hulk has better durability feats? like tanking a nuke? or getting overhwelmed by some fodder chitauri or getting knocked by hulk buster punch? Hulk is nowhere near doomsday level. Superman was also weakened when he was nuked.

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#115 Posted by Supermanforever (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@tj849 said:

Scarlet bloodlusted could solo tbh

how?

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#116 Edited by Superhero24 (4766 posts) - - Show Bio

@DammeFavour:

Wormholes connect two points in space not shorten the distance and time. You're confusing warp with wormhole. It shouldn't take much time at all. If you're gonna make stuff up, at least at least try to get your facts straight. So from your view Diana's sword is science, because I can say is is strong metal that emits energy. Wanda is already confirmed magic, so lowballing her is a terrible idea. You can also clearly see the inside of the Destroyer is prettyy empty from Sif stabbing it. Same with Thor's hammer after Hela destroyed it.

"Rene Russo [Frigga] and I, always, from the very first film, part of the backstory we created was that Frigga was really the most attentive to Loki when he was a child. And Odin didn’t really know how to connect. He connected much more with Thor. They were sort of cut from the same cloth. And Frigga and Loki had this kind of beautiful, sensitive, more artistic relationship. And it was actually her who taught him all his magic." - Tom Hiddleston

Frigga taught him magic.

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#118 Posted by DammeFavour (8502 posts) - - Show Bio

@superhero24: lol......the magic of diana's sword is that it is very sharp and it stops there, it doesn't emit energy, it would cut through superman the same way it would cut through hercules.

well, wormholes aren't exactly real, if they were they would essentially be a tunnel with 2 open ends right? so ur wrong.

dude its still not magic, i would chuck that up to powers, where was it confirmed wanda was magic again? she's basically a low powered jean grey, limited telepathy, telekinesis are not proof of magical powers, there's a reason they were able to contain her in the raft, with that stuff on her neck

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#119 Edited by Supermanforever (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@tj849 said:
@supermanforever said:
@tj849 said:

Scarlet bloodlusted could solo tbh

how?

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did you really bring comic feats? this is movie fight not comic. Try again

Even in comic she cant do that out of no where, she has to be in deep traumatic state to do that and chaos wave as well.

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#120 Posted by Shadow411 (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever:

DD had his entire arm cut off..... Hulk hasn't been far above scratched. The Chitari overran him because for plot they had to make it look like the team was being overran. So PIS don't count.

HB suite was specifically made for Hulk, just like Kryptonite spear was made specifically for kryptonians. And we saw what happened to DD there!! If you want to play low-ball we can. DD has had his arm cut off and been stabbed by an arrow that wouldn't have even broke through hulks Muscle.

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#122 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever: She still can do it when shes bloodlusted in the MCU, if she can KO Vision when shes calm, she can destroy Doomsday when shes bloodlusted just by uttering the words.

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#123 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio
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#124 Posted by DammeFavour (8502 posts) - - Show Bio

@tj849: yea....reality warping cosmic phoenix

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#125 Posted by darkerrrrrrrrrr (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever:

DD had his entire arm cut off..... Hulk hasn't been far above scratched. The Chitari overran him because for plot they had to make it look like the team was being overran. So PIS don't count.

HB suite was specifically made for Hulk, just like Kryptonite spear was made specifically for kryptonians. And we saw what happened to DD there!! If you want to play low-ball we can. DD has had his arm cut off and been stabbed by an arrow that wouldn't have even broke through hulks Muscle.

His arm was cut off from Wonder womans sword context buddy. And chitari overran wasn't pis mcu hulk has been shown to be pretty weak.

And the only reason the spear cut doomsday was because it was out of krpytonite.....

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#126 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio

@DammeFavour: What do you think she was doing then? No one knows, its just more likely that she was doing that to destroy Apoc who does have Superhuman durability, Tough armor and a accelerated healing factor. Its common sense. You think she was just "heating him up" haha (i dont wanna touch this topic on this on this thread btw, message me/callout me the other thread if you wanna go even further).

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#127 Posted by DammeFavour (8502 posts) - - Show Bio

@tj849: lol......i literally provided a gif of him burning up and trying to regenerate

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#128 Posted by Breaking_Brads_Void (1084 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarlet solos

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#129 Posted by bowlt_swagg_320 (2260 posts) - - Show Bio

Doomsday wins. Doesn't stomp

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#130 Posted by Supermanforever (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadow411 said:

@supermanforever:

DD had his entire arm cut off..... Hulk hasn't been far above scratched. The Chitari overran him because for plot they had to make it look like the team was being overran. So PIS don't count.

HB suite was specifically made for Hulk, just like Kryptonite spear was made specifically for kryptonians. And we saw what happened to DD there!! If you want to play low-ball we can. DD has had his arm cut off and been stabbed by an arrow that wouldn't have even broke through hulks Muscle.

His arm was cut off from Wonder womans sword context buddy. And chitari overran wasn't pis mcu hulk has been shown to be pretty weak.

And the only reason the spear cut doomsday was because it was out of krpytonite.....

Wonder womans sword is godkiller sword and can cut trough anything. It will slice hulk with ease aswell.

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#131 Posted by Supermanforever (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever:

DD had his entire arm cut off..... Hulk hasn't been far above scratched. The Chitari overran him because for plot they had to make it look like the team was being overran. So PIS don't count.

HB suite was specifically made for Hulk, just like Kryptonite spear was made specifically for kryptonians. And we saw what happened to DD there!! If you want to play low-ball we can. DD has had his arm cut off and been stabbed by an arrow that wouldn't have even broke through hulks Muscle.

Doomsday was cut by godkiller sword it can cut trough anything including hulk as well. Doomsday has way better durability feats lik tanking nuke? come back when hulk has better feats.

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#132 Posted by Supermanforever (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@tj849 said:

@supermanforever: She still can do it when shes bloodlusted in the MCU, if she can KO Vision when shes calm, she can destroy Doomsday when shes bloodlusted just by uttering the words.

How can she do it? based on what, feats?

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#134 Posted by DaLastUchihaMan (472 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkerrrrrrrrrr said:
@shadow411 said:

@supermanforever:

DD had his entire arm cut off..... Hulk hasn't been far above scratched. The Chitari overran him because for plot they had to make it look like the team was being overran. So PIS don't count.

HB suite was specifically made for Hulk, just like Kryptonite spear was made specifically for kryptonians. And we saw what happened to DD there!! If you want to play low-ball we can. DD has had his arm cut off and been stabbed by an arrow that wouldn't have even broke through hulks Muscle.

His arm was cut off from Wonder womans sword context buddy. And chitari overran wasn't pis mcu hulk has been shown to be pretty weak.

And the only reason the spear cut doomsday was because it was out of krpytonite.....

Wonder womans sword is godkiller sword and can cut trough anything. It will slice hulk with ease aswell.

I thought she was the godkiller not the sword?

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#135 Edited by Supermanforever (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@dalastuchihaman said:
@supermanforever said:
@darkerrrrrrrrrr said:
@shadow411 said:

@supermanforever:

DD had his entire arm cut off..... Hulk hasn't been far above scratched. The Chitari overran him because for plot they had to make it look like the team was being overran. So PIS don't count.

HB suite was specifically made for Hulk, just like Kryptonite spear was made specifically for kryptonians. And we saw what happened to DD there!! If you want to play low-ball we can. DD has had his arm cut off and been stabbed by an arrow that wouldn't have even broke through hulks Muscle.

His arm was cut off from Wonder womans sword context buddy. And chitari overran wasn't pis mcu hulk has been shown to be pretty weak.

And the only reason the spear cut doomsday was because it was out of krpytonite.....

Wonder womans sword is godkiller sword and can cut trough anything. It will slice hulk with ease aswell.

I thought she was the godkiller not the sword?

The sword she has in Wonder woman was destroyed by Ares, she replaced with Sword of athena after WW time. Its magically empowered and indestructable just like her other gear. lasso etc. most of them call it godkiller as well. But the fact is in bvs it was sword of athena not og godkiller. Og gofkiller was destroyed by Ares

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#136 Posted by Rockette (6031 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadow411 said:

@supermanforever:

DD had his entire arm cut off..... Hulk hasn't been far above scratched. The Chitari overran him because for plot they had to make it look like the team was being overran. So PIS don't count.

HB suite was specifically made for Hulk, just like Kryptonite spear was made specifically for kryptonians. And we saw what happened to DD there!! If you want to play low-ball we can. DD has had his arm cut off and been stabbed by an arrow that wouldn't have even broke through hulks Muscle.

Doomsday was cut by godkiller sword it can cut trough anything including hulk as well. Doomsday has way better durability feats lik tanking nuke? come back when hulk has better feats.

Am I the ONLY ONE who actually watched Wonder Woman?

The sword was JUST A SWORD!

DIANA was the freaking GOD KILLER!!

Ares said so himself... ffs...

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#137 Posted by Supermanforever (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@rockette said:
@supermanforever said:
@shadow411 said:

@supermanforever:

DD had his entire arm cut off..... Hulk hasn't been far above scratched. The Chitari overran him because for plot they had to make it look like the team was being overran. So PIS don't count.

HB suite was specifically made for Hulk, just like Kryptonite spear was made specifically for kryptonians. And we saw what happened to DD there!! If you want to play low-ball we can. DD has had his arm cut off and been stabbed by an arrow that wouldn't have even broke through hulks Muscle.

Doomsday was cut by godkiller sword it can cut trough anything including hulk as well. Doomsday has way better durability feats lik tanking nuke? come back when hulk has better feats.

Am I the ONLY ONE who actually watched Wonder Woman?

The sword was JUST A SWORD!

DIANA was the freaking GOD KILLER!!

Ares said so himself... ffs...

That god killer in wonder woman was not simple but was just a sword. In BVS it was actually Athenas sword made out of indestructable metal like other wonder woman gear. The sword that was in WW movie is not the same that was in BVS. learn your facts before rushing into caps.

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#138 Edited by Rockette (6031 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever said:
@rockette said:
@supermanforever said:
@shadow411 said:

@supermanforever:

DD had his entire arm cut off..... Hulk hasn't been far above scratched. The Chitari overran him because for plot they had to make it look like the team was being overran. So PIS don't count.

HB suite was specifically made for Hulk, just like Kryptonite spear was made specifically for kryptonians. And we saw what happened to DD there!! If you want to play low-ball we can. DD has had his arm cut off and been stabbed by an arrow that wouldn't have even broke through hulks Muscle.

Doomsday was cut by godkiller sword it can cut trough anything including hulk as well. Doomsday has way better durability feats lik tanking nuke? come back when hulk has better feats.

Am I the ONLY ONE who actually watched Wonder Woman?

The sword was JUST A SWORD!

DIANA was the freaking GOD KILLER!!

Ares said so himself... ffs...

That god killer in wonder woman was not simple but was just a sword. In BVS it was actually Athenas sword made out of indestructable metal like other wonder woman gear. The sword that was in WW movie is not the same that was in BVS. learn your facts before rushing into caps.

Where does it say that in BvS?

And where is there proof that even IF that is true, that Athena's Sword is a "god killer"?

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#139 Edited by Supermanforever (9039 posts) - - Show Bio

@rockette said:
@supermanforever said:
@rockette said:
@supermanforever said:
@shadow411 said:

@supermanforever:

DD had his entire arm cut off..... Hulk hasn't been far above scratched. The Chitari overran him because for plot they had to make it look like the team was being overran. So PIS don't count.

HB suite was specifically made for Hulk, just like Kryptonite spear was made specifically for kryptonians. And we saw what happened to DD there!! If you want to play low-ball we can. DD has had his arm cut off and been stabbed by an arrow that wouldn't have even broke through hulks Muscle.

Doomsday was cut by godkiller sword it can cut trough anything including hulk as well. Doomsday has way better durability feats lik tanking nuke? come back when hulk has better feats.

Am I the ONLY ONE who actually watched Wonder Woman?

The sword was JUST A SWORD!

DIANA was the freaking GOD KILLER!!

Ares said so himself... ffs...

That god killer in wonder woman was not simple but was just a sword. In BVS it was actually Athenas sword made out of indestructable metal like other wonder woman gear. The sword that was in WW movie is not the same that was in BVS. learn your facts before rushing into caps.

Where does it say that in BvS?

And where is there proof that even IF that is true, that Athena's Sword is a "god killer"?

just look up with easiest way search godkiller sword in ww and athena sword in bvs. Even by looks they are total different .

Bvs sword (athena)

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About if sword is enhanced. it doesnt tale genius mind that if a beeing that tanked nuclear bomb in the face from point blank range that is over 80 milion degree of temeperature which would vaporise practiacally anything at subatomic level. If the sword can cut something that durable means it very special.

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#140 Posted by Chaos239 (5081 posts) - - Show Bio

Why is this still going on?

SW lacks feats to suggest she can put Doomsday down since chances are anything she does he can tank and survive while anything he does will Kill her.

Doomsday still and chances are until Late Phase 4 stomps the Avengers.

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#141 Posted by Zuriel-el (3428 posts) - - Show Bio

doomsday

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#142 Posted by SumaGorathFans (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Scarlet Witch can pin him down. The Avengers do the rest.

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#143 Posted by Shadow411 (942 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanforever:

Hulk hasn't been hurt by anything yet. I've mentioned before, the only feat DD has on him is nuke, but Hulk wouldn't have his arm cut off by Diana's sword. Her sword isn't "godkiller", she is!!

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#144 Posted by zackg (1179 posts) - - Show Bio

@superhero24: Any advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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#145 Posted by MAZAHS117 (12946 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve, Nat, Barton, Pietro and Fury all die...horribly

Wanda, Stark, Thor, Hulk and Vision all fall one-by-one

No one here can put Doomsy down, and with no BFR option and no Kryptonite to help in the OP, DD bodies everyone eventually

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#146 Posted by Superhero24 (4766 posts) - - Show Bio

@zackg:

Arthur C. Clarke's third law. That is a good one, but many would call that an oversimplification. But, it does hold weight. Magic is just stuff that can achieve the impossible via supernatural ways which supernatural means breaking the laws of nature. I am just pointing out to say Diana's sword is magic and then Thor's hammer is science is hypocritical and playing ignorant but then again those guys claim Supes could have taken that Nuke from BvS easily and believe him to be able to travel almost 1,000 times faster than sound. They tend to pick and choose feats for Supes.

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#147 Posted by Armandog23 (64 posts) - - Show Bio

Doomsday takes this the only real threats are Vision and Hulk and I'm pretty sure Doomsday can take both of them

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#148 Posted by deactivated-5a35e2edd9c28 (1031 posts) - - Show Bio

@shadow411: You said hulkbuster was made specifically for hulk. Doesn't change the fact that dd would curb stomp hulkbuster. Also, DCEU superman would curb stomp MCU hulk

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