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#1 Posted by Chris-Sama (3624 posts) - - Show Bio
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  • The sentinels have been sent to exterminate doomsday once and for all they have perfect team work, doomsday is pre nuke
  • Battle takes place in an apocalyptic wasteland.
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#2 Posted by BabyDarkseid (1907 posts) - - Show Bio

doomsday stomps these fodders

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#3 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

Sentinels with ease. They have the ability to adapt. Per some deleted scenes which were later shown in the directors cut and called cannon by the directors, rogue was captured and her dna was added with mystique's to allow the sentinels to adapt. Since rogues powers suck life force, she, and the sentinels, should have no problem taking on doomsday's powers. So now you have 1000 dooms v. 1.

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#4 Posted by Direflash (759 posts) - - Show Bio

@ginman333:

They only adapted to mutant dna what I think of. Nothing really says they can adapt to cryptonian dna and powers. Withouth the adaption they are just fodder to Doomsday.

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#5 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

In the comics she has absorbed powers from non-mutants all the time. In the movies I believe they make reference to her zapping her non-mutant human boyfriend. Again, she sucks life force and any associated powers, regardless of origin, come with (along with memories, etc). Since the Sentinel's ability to take powers are based on Rogue per those deleted scenes, there is no reason to believe they cant take Doomsday's powers.

@ginman333:

They only adapted to mutant dna what I think of. Nothing really says they can adapt to cryptonian dna and powers. Withouth the adaption they are just fodder to Doomsday.

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#6 Posted by MICKEY-MOUSE (36840 posts) - - Show Bio

Do these sentinels have powers? If yes 2 could freeze him...

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#7 Posted by Direflash (759 posts) - - Show Bio

@ginman333:

In the comics yes. This is not the comics. No proof sentinels could adapt any other source of power. If we assume they could, this is a stomp. But, no we dont assume.

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#8 Edited by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

In Xmen Wolverine she talks about people touching her getting hurt and we get the flash back of her first kiss with a normal human. Since normal humans are effected its proof she doesnt just effect mutants. Seems pretty reasonable to conclude her powers in the movies are pretty much the same as those in the comics.

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@ginman333:

In the comics yes. This is not the comics. No proof sentinels could adapt any other source of power. If we assume they could, this is a stomp. But, no we dont assume.

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#9 Posted by Direflash (759 posts) - - Show Bio

@ginman333:

No, there is no conclusion if there is no conclusion. If you think there is a conclusion does not make it so. Facts are facts in any reality, in comics or whar we are living. There is no reasonable conclutions if there are no reasonable facts.

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#10 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

Pretty sure the writers here gave us more than enough information to arrive at this conclusion. Movie writers have a finite time to get their points across and cannot hand hold us viewers through everything. They expect us to use our brains a bit.

@ginman333:

No, there is no conclusion if there is no conclusion. If you think there is a conclusion does not make it so. Facts are facts in any reality, in comics or whar we are living. There is no reasonable conclutions if there are no reasonable facts.

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#11 Posted by Direflash (759 posts) - - Show Bio

@ginman333:

You can think that if you like, but those are no facts. Facts only matter dude.

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#12 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

Funny, there are zero facts to say Im wrong in my conclusion. You too are lacking "facts" but yet you have come to your own conclusion.

@ginman333:

You can think that if you like, but those are no facts. Facts only matter dude.

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#13 Posted by sky_warrior (823 posts) - - Show Bio

they will probably be able to either BFR him or trap him some how but i don’t think they can kill him

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#14 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

Sentinels with ease. They have the ability to adapt. Per some deleted scenes which were later shown in the directors cut and called cannon by the directors, rogue was captured and her dna was added with mystique's to allow the sentinels to adapt. Since rogues powers suck life force, she, and the sentinels, should have no problem taking on doomsday's powers. So now you have 1000 dooms v. 1.

They only were able to copy mutant powers, nothing suggest it could do the same to a Kryptonian clone with un-mapped DNA and powers who can adapt as well.

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#15 Posted by Direflash (759 posts) - - Show Bio

@ginman333:

What a great psychological bullshit. Must be first year college kid.

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#16 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

Proof that they were only able to copy mutant powers? The Sentinels power suck comes from Rogue who could life suck from humans as well (we saw this in the movie with the first kiss flashback), getting their memories, etc. Seems like her powers are no different than the comics, and we have seen over and over there that she can absorb powers from non-mutants. I would argue that saying movie rogue is just like her comic counterpart is far less of an assumption that suggesting she is less like her comic counterpart.

@ginman333 said:

Sentinels with ease. They have the ability to adapt. Per some deleted scenes which were later shown in the directors cut and called cannon by the directors, rogue was captured and her dna was added with mystique's to allow the sentinels to adapt. Since rogues powers suck life force, she, and the sentinels, should have no problem taking on doomsday's powers. So now you have 1000 dooms v. 1.

They only were able to copy mutant powers, nothing suggest it could do the same to a Kryptonian clone with un-mapped DNA and powers who can adapt as well.

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#17 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, I totally owned you using your own argument and then you throw that out as your last sad defense. love it!

BTW, beyond being highly successful since college, I graduated with my JD/MBA (not a practicing lawyer though).

Ahhhh, enjoy your life my man. :-)

@ginman333:

What a great psychological bullshit. Must be first year college kid.

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#18 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

Proof that they were only able to copy mutant powers? The Sentinels power suck comes from Rogue who could life suck from humans as well (we saw this in the movie with the first kiss flashback), getting their memories, etc. Seems like her powers are no different than the comics, and we have seen over and over there that she can absorb powers from non-mutants. I would argue that saying movie rogue is just like her comic counterpart is far less of an assumption that suggesting she is less like her comic counterpart.

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@ginman333 said:

Sentinels with ease. They have the ability to adapt. Per some deleted scenes which were later shown in the directors cut and called cannon by the directors, rogue was captured and her dna was added with mystique's to allow the sentinels to adapt. Since rogues powers suck life force, she, and the sentinels, should have no problem taking on doomsday's powers. So now you have 1000 dooms v. 1.

They only were able to copy mutant powers, nothing suggest it could do the same to a Kryptonian clone with un-mapped DNA and powers who can adapt as well.

The don't absorb powers, they use mystique ability to adapt and counter powers specifically targeting individuals with the X gene. Rogue had nothing to do with them.

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#19 Edited by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

See my original post which discusses this. Rogue's DNA was used. Directors have subsequently stated that scene is a cannon part of the story.

@ginman333 said:

Proof that they were only able to copy mutant powers? The Sentinels power suck comes from Rogue who could life suck from humans as well (we saw this in the movie with the first kiss flashback), getting their memories, etc. Seems like her powers are no different than the comics, and we have seen over and over there that she can absorb powers from non-mutants. I would argue that saying movie rogue is just like her comic counterpart is far less of an assumption that suggesting she is less like her comic counterpart.

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@ginman333 said:

Sentinels with ease. They have the ability to adapt. Per some deleted scenes which were later shown in the directors cut and called cannon by the directors, rogue was captured and her dna was added with mystique's to allow the sentinels to adapt. Since rogues powers suck life force, she, and the sentinels, should have no problem taking on doomsday's powers. So now you have 1000 dooms v. 1.

They only were able to copy mutant powers, nothing suggest it could do the same to a Kryptonian clone with un-mapped DNA and powers who can adapt as well.

The don't absorb powers, they use mystique ability to adapt and counter powers specifically targeting individuals with the X gene. Rogue had nothing to do with them.

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#20 Posted by ODIN619360 (2612 posts) - - Show Bio

R.I.P Sentinels.

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#21 Posted by macleen (3593 posts) - - Show Bio

See my original post which discusses this. Rogue's DNA was used. Directors have subsequently stated that scene is a cannon part of the story.

@cable_extreme said:
@ginman333 said:

Proof that they were only able to copy mutant powers? The Sentinels power suck comes from Rogue who could life suck from humans as well (we saw this in the movie with the first kiss flashback), getting their memories, etc. Seems like her powers are no different than the comics, and we have seen over and over there that she can absorb powers from non-mutants. I would argue that saying movie rogue is just like her comic counterpart is far less of an assumption that suggesting she is less like her comic counterpart.

@cable_extreme said:
@ginman333 said:

Sentinels with ease. They have the ability to adapt. Per some deleted scenes which were later shown in the directors cut and called cannon by the directors, rogue was captured and her dna was added with mystique's to allow the sentinels to adapt. Since rogues powers suck life force, she, and the sentinels, should have no problem taking on doomsday's powers. So now you have 1000 dooms v. 1.

They only were able to copy mutant powers, nothing suggest it could do the same to a Kryptonian clone with un-mapped DNA and powers who can adapt as well.

The don't absorb powers, they use mystique ability to adapt and counter powers specifically targeting individuals with the X gene. Rogue had nothing to do with them.

any evidence to back it up. and stop comparing with comic counterparts. sentinels adaptation is not unlimited. they failed to copy that telporting girl's powers, boby's, magneto's just to name a few.

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#22 Edited by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@macleen: Can you provide a clip of it or some sort of verification?

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#23 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (7526 posts) - - Show Bio

They don't have the damage output to hurt Doomsday plus he doesn't have the X gene so they can't adapt to him but he can certainly adapt to them

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#24 Edited by Skrskr (3532 posts) - - Show Bio

Sentinels win eventually, they weren’t limited to adapting to just mutant dna.

That claim is completely baseless, their adaptation was taken from mystiques ability to change her genetic makeup at will.

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#25 Posted by deactivated-5b59f8ae5ebaf (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

1,000 sentinels seems enough

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#26 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@skrskr said:

Sentinels win eventually, they weren’t limited to adapting to just mutant dna.

That claim is completely baseless, their adaptation was taken from mystiques ability to change her genetic makeup at will.

They were built specifically to target the X gene, they have no information or data covering Doomsday's DNA make-up.

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#27 Posted by macleen (3593 posts) - - Show Bio

@macleen: Can you provide a clip of it or some sort of verification?

it's literally in the fight sentinels had vs storm and crew. they didn't copy the powers of a lot of mutants

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#28 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@macleen said:
@cable_extreme said:

@macleen: Can you provide a clip of it or some sort of verification?

it's literally in the fight sentinels had vs storm and crew. they didn't copy the powers of a lot of mutants

It just looks like them using mystique's ability to copy people's appearance but changing it to abilities as the story states. It isn't like Rogue's abilities or the mutants would have been left power-less after the touch...

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#29 Posted by Thorthunder98 (6802 posts) - - Show Bio

OMG who adapts to who, non stop adapting

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#30 Posted by macleen (3593 posts) - - Show Bio

@macleen said:
@cable_extreme said:

@macleen: Can you provide a clip of it or some sort of verification?

it's literally in the fight sentinels had vs storm and crew. they didn't copy the powers of a lot of mutants

It just looks like them using mystique's ability to copy people's appearance but changing it to abilities as the story states. It isn't like Rogue's abilities or the mutants would have been left power-less after the touch...

except the changing into abilities was limited. in that fight they killed storm with a sneak attack impalement, overloaded cable, impaled that worm hole girl after outnumbering her. rip colossus into to. I also think they were pre -designed to counter mutants like magneto and Charles seeing as they never directly attacked thesentinels with their abilities yet they also couldn'y copy theirs either

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#31 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

As I said before, movies has a limited time frame and cant hand hold us through everything. There is an expectation we come to reasonable conclusions based on the information they have provided. There is no "proof" either way. Everyone needs to stop with this proof thing. You lack 100% validation, just like I do. However, we do know that Rogue is not limited to mutants (her powers impacted a human, which we saw). So her powers are not focused on the x-gene. Therefore, it seems pretty easy to make the conclusion that her powers are much like her comic counterpart. I have no need to stop using the comic counterpart; the movie character is based on the comic version! lol. Therefore, its less of a departure to assume the powers are pretty much the same than to assume they are different. Again, particularly when the movie proves her powers have nothing to do with purely mutants (the first kiss scene).

@macleen said:

any evidence to back it up. and stop comparing with comic counterparts. sentinels adaptation is not unlimited. they failed to copy that telporting girl's powers, boby's, magneto's just to name a few.

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#32 Posted by Skrskr (3532 posts) - - Show Bio

@cable_extreme: to locate and target people with the x gene, and then use mystiques powers to change their genetic makeup to combat the current mutant they are facing.

The sentinel got really hot to fight ice man.

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#33 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe they felt they didnt need to. Maybe like they are like the borg - they can adapt, just not immediately. All speculation of course, but none of the sentinels seemed to adapt right away, so the later above seems reasonable.

@macleen said:
@cable_extreme said:

@macleen: Can you provide a clip of it or some sort of verification?

it's literally in the fight sentinels had vs storm and crew. they didn't copy the powers of a lot of mutants

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#34 Edited by macleen (3593 posts) - - Show Bio

As I said before, movies has a limited time frame and cant hand hold us through everything. There is an expectation we come to reasonable conclusions based on the information they have provided. There is no "proof" either way. Everyone needs to stop with this proof thing. You lack 100% validation, just like I do. However, we do know that Rogue is not limited to mutants (her powers impacted a human, which we saw). So her powers are not focused on the x-gene. Therefore, it seems pretty easy to make the conclusion that her powers are much like her comic counterpart. I have no need to stop using the comic counterpart; the movie character is based on the comic version! lol. Therefore, its less of a departure to assume the powers are pretty much the same than to assume they are different. Again, particularly when the movie proves her powers have nothing to do with purely mutants (the first kiss scene).

@macleen said:

any evidence to back it up. and stop comparing with comic counterparts. sentinels adaptation is not unlimited. they failed to copy that telporting girl's powers, boby's, magneto's just to name a few.

we use feats. feats>>>>>> your opinions. in the movies sentinels had limited copying powers otherwise they would have been able to teleport, cyrokinesis, weather manip. metal manip and telepathy after they kill charles but that didn't happen proving their limitations

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#35 Posted by macleen (3593 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe they felt they didnt need to. Maybe like they are like the borg - they can adapt, just not immediately. All speculation of course, but none of the sentinels seemed to adapt right away, so the later above seems reasonable.

@macleen said:
@cable_extreme said:

@macleen: Can you provide a clip of it or some sort of verification?

it's literally in the fight sentinels had vs storm and crew. they didn't copy the powers of a lot of mutants

they had no problem copying sunspot and colossus abilities in order to kill them

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#36 Posted by BabyDarkseid (1907 posts) - - Show Bio

i dont understand how people are still debating for sentinels they cant even tag doomsday let alone hurt him they died from an explosion

doomsday blitzstomp them in a attosecond

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#37 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@macleen said:
@ginman333 said:

Maybe they felt they didnt need to. Maybe like they are like the borg - they can adapt, just not immediately. All speculation of course, but none of the sentinels seemed to adapt right away, so the later above seems reasonable.

@macleen said:
@cable_extreme said:

@macleen: Can you provide a clip of it or some sort of verification?

it's literally in the fight sentinels had vs storm and crew. they didn't copy the powers of a lot of mutants

they had no problem copying sunspot and colossus abilities in order to kill them

If they had rogue's abilities, they would zap the powers away from mutants for a short time afterward which they didn't.

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#38 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

How many feats does TOAA have? Yet we all blindly say hes the most powerful marvel character.

Feats arent everything. Absolutely they help.

FYI, they did take on bobby's cryo powers. As I stated above, they seemed to need a bit of time to adapt, which might explain why they werent immediately copying everyones powers.

@macleen said:
@ginman333 said:

As I said before, movies has a limited time frame and cant hand hold us through everything. There is an expectation we come to reasonable conclusions based on the information they have provided. There is no "proof" either way. Everyone needs to stop with this proof thing. You lack 100% validation, just like I do. However, we do know that Rogue is not limited to mutants (her powers impacted a human, which we saw). So her powers are not focused on the x-gene. Therefore, it seems pretty easy to make the conclusion that her powers are much like her comic counterpart. I have no need to stop using the comic counterpart; the movie character is based on the comic version! lol. Therefore, its less of a departure to assume the powers are pretty much the same than to assume they are different. Again, particularly when the movie proves her powers have nothing to do with purely mutants (the first kiss scene).

@macleen said:

any evidence to back it up. and stop comparing with comic counterparts. sentinels adaptation is not unlimited. they failed to copy that telporting girl's powers, boby's, magneto's just to name a few.

we use feats. feats>>>>>> your opinions. in the movies sentinels had limited copying powers otherwise they would have been able to teleport, cyrokinesis, weather manip. metal manip and telepathy after they kill charles but that didn't happen proving their limitations

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#39 Posted by macleen (3593 posts) - - Show Bio

How many feats does TOAA have? Yet we all blindly say hes the most powerful marvel character.

Feats arent everything. Absolutely they help.

FYI, they did take on bobby's cryo powers. As I stated above, they seemed to need a bit of time to adapt, which might explain why they werent immediately copying everyones powers.

@macleen said:
@ginman333 said:

As I said before, movies has a limited time frame and cant hand hold us through everything. There is an expectation we come to reasonable conclusions based on the information they have provided. There is no "proof" either way. Everyone needs to stop with this proof thing. You lack 100% validation, just like I do. However, we do know that Rogue is not limited to mutants (her powers impacted a human, which we saw). So her powers are not focused on the x-gene. Therefore, it seems pretty easy to make the conclusion that her powers are much like her comic counterpart. I have no need to stop using the comic counterpart; the movie character is based on the comic version! lol. Therefore, its less of a departure to assume the powers are pretty much the same than to assume they are different. Again, particularly when the movie proves her powers have nothing to do with purely mutants (the first kiss scene).

@macleen said:

any evidence to back it up. and stop comparing with comic counterparts. sentinels adaptation is not unlimited. they failed to copy that telporting girl's powers, boby's, magneto's just to name a few.

we use feats. feats>>>>>> your opinions. in the movies sentinels had limited copying powers otherwise they would have been able to teleport, cyrokinesis, weather manip. metal manip and telepathy after they kill charles but that didn't happen proving their limitations

and I told you their ability to copy powers is limited for example blink even after a long battle, mags, charles and bishop who they outright killed. everyone knows TOAA is the writer what feats do you need past that. besides HOTU gives you an idea of what TOAA's powers are capable of. we use feats so that poeple don't use their own biased opinions and speculation like what you're trying to do right now

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#40 Posted by macleen (3593 posts) - - Show Bio

@macleen said:
@ginman333 said:

Maybe they felt they didnt need to. Maybe like they are like the borg - they can adapt, just not immediately. All speculation of course, but none of the sentinels seemed to adapt right away, so the later above seems reasonable.

@macleen said:
@cable_extreme said:

@macleen: Can you provide a clip of it or some sort of verification?

it's literally in the fight sentinels had vs storm and crew. they didn't copy the powers of a lot of mutants

they had no problem copying sunspot and colossus abilities in order to kill them

If they had rogue's abilities, they would zap the powers away from mutants for a short time afterward which they didn't.

tell that to ginman

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#41 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

@macleen said:
@cable_extreme said:
@macleen said:
@ginman333 said:

Maybe they felt they didnt need to. Maybe like they are like the borg - they can adapt, just not immediately. All speculation of course, but none of the sentinels seemed to adapt right away, so the later above seems reasonable.

@macleen said:
@cable_extreme said:

@macleen: Can you provide a clip of it or some sort of verification?

it's literally in the fight sentinels had vs storm and crew. they didn't copy the powers of a lot of mutants

they had no problem copying sunspot and colossus abilities in order to kill them

If they had rogue's abilities, they would zap the powers away from mutants for a short time afterward which they didn't.

tell that to ginman

I was, I quoted the conversion, not you specifically.

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#42 Posted by Superhero24 (4766 posts) - - Show Bio

the battle of adaptation.

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#43 Posted by APEX_pretador (20894 posts) - - Show Bio

Sentinals adapt to adaptation

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#44 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

"everyone knows TOAA is the writer what feats do you need past that. besides HOTU gives you an idea of what TOAA's powers are capable of." Seems like you are giving your own opinions. Feats >>>>>> your opinions....or so Im told.

"we use feats so that poeple don't use their own biased opinions and speculation like what you're trying to do right now." We all express our opinions constantly on this forum. I think the opinion I am expressing seems pretty reasonable. Im not making any outrageous claims. Im backing them up with pretty reasonable explanations.

Shame we cant all have a sensible dialogue on these topics.

Anywho, I think I have addressed everything pretty clearly and if you have a different take, thats fine. Sounds like we are on different sides of this fence.

@macleen said:

and I told you their ability to copy powers is limited for example blink even after a long battle, mags, charles and bishop who they outright killed. everyone knows TOAA is the writer what feats do you need past that. besides HOTU gives you an idea of what TOAA's powers are capable of. we use feats so that poeple don't use their own biased opinions and speculation like what you're trying to do right now

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#45 Posted by ginman333 (3061 posts) - - Show Bio

I have a different take. Rather than just chatting about it reasonably, you two need to act like complete jackoffs. Spoiler alert: you lack "proof" in your argument as well. We are all making some assumptions here.

I think Im going to call it a night on this debate, gents. Seems like we are getting nowhere and its spiraling fast.

@macleen said:

I was, I quoted the conversion, not you specifically.

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#46 Posted by Cable_Extreme (16791 posts) - - Show Bio

I have a different take. Rather than just chatting about it reasonably, you two need to act like complete jackoffs. Spoiler alert: you lack "proof" in your argument as well. We are all making some assumptions here.

I think Im going to call it a night on this debate, gents. Seems like we are getting nowhere and its spiraling fast.

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@macleen said:

I was, I quoted the conversion, not you specifically.

I do have proof, the movie specifically states they used Mystique's DNA, you said the directors stated they took Rogue's powers as well and all I asked was for you to provide a source of any sort verifying this. You said it is obvious and I pointed out that if they did use her powers, the Sentinels would momentarily drain the mutants they touch of their powers as they touched them, they didn't.

I haven't been mean in any manner to you, chill out.

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#47 Posted by jasonhitto (1341 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol...doomsday rekt these fodder with one punch

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#48 Edited by jl2579 (11 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre nuke Doomsday still took a nuke to the face and then went through reentry and smashed into the Earth at that speed. Wasn't even hurt in any lasting way. Just got way stronger. He's doesn't have the x gene. These robots can't even adapt to him. They have no shot at even hurting him, ever.

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#49 Posted by The_Red_Devil (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

Sentinels eventually

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#50 Posted by sportjames23 (1104 posts) - - Show Bio

Doomsday has a field day with these jobbers.