DCEU Doomsday cant put MCU Hulk down, in what world he does that? MCU Hulk breakdown

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Literally sends a vibranium Ultron flying across sokovia(a staggering 2 km/20 city blocks) with a casual punch -- no wind up or anything. Doomsday’s haymaker against Diana was 10 city blocks at best.

Hulk's punches => Doomsday‘s punches.

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Hulk casually generates a 700.000 tons earthquake in Age of Ultron, withouth momentum

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Strenght Feat. Hulk > Doomsday.

I am pretty sure Hulk has better strenght feats. Moving Surtur which no-sold a continental and mountain level explosion and destroyed a massive country level/planet. It shows that Hulk by scaling has a gamechanger, he can move a planet buster or KO Bricks, Hulk is not a casual brick for DD.

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Hulk has better durability due to wearing the full IG. he survived a continental explosion by strenght and his amazing energy Durability which means DD heat vision isn’t harming him most of the time, maybe if he is weakened.

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Hulk caught a supersonic Aircraft before, and defeated Abomination who can catch an RPG. Hulk has better combat speed and the superior travel speed here.

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Meanwhile: DD failed to catch Batman, a regular human.

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In a few second overpowered a leviathan which weight 3.000.000 tons and can destroy buildings and Tank Mjolnir hits, Hulk overpowered it in a better way and in a fraction of seconds.

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https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0672015/Here you can see the only official statement about the famous leviathan feat, made by Zak Penn the writer of The Avengers (2012) and The Incredible Hulk (2008) while it is an approximate statement, i trust the writer words way more than some fan-calcs.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JzSWaMAcMbg

Here you can see a very underrated MCU Hulk feat, a mountain buster feat. Posting the calcs.

300 meter length and 40 meter height for the sheared part. 12000 x 0.3 MPa (30 ton/m^2) = 360 000 tons

It's confirmed and referenced and in tie-in comics too, why it's canon: The Blue-Ray disc has many special features: http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/08/the-incredible-hulk-special-features-announced/

It's named "Alternative Opening" so by being referenced, it's still relevant. If a scene is cut because of time or another one, we can clearly see the intention of Louis Leterrier's to portray the Hulk.

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Hulk has a shockwave feat here and creates Mach cones, he also has one in The Incredible Hulk.

Hulk overpowered Thanos for a portion of their fights, because they are in the same level.

Joe Russo words about Thanos and Hulk in strenght :

Joe Russo: “I think ultimately, the way we looked at that fight and the way talked about it with our stunt team when we were executing it was Hulk is obviously very powerful, but he’s a little mindless in his fighting style. It’s aggressive, it’s pummeling. Thanos is the Ghengis Kahn of the universe, he’s a very skilled fighter, equally as strong.So, when you put those two up against each other, the more skilled fighter is going to win ultimately. Which is why Hulk has a moment where he overpowers Thanos, but ultimately Thanos is smart.”

- Collider Interview November 30, 2018

Thanos did beat Hulk by skill, he didn't overpower him in combat. Thanos is confirmed to be => Hulk

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So in conclusion, Hulk is stronger, faster, more durable, has better striking/strenght/bullrush/reaction speed and healing factor. I don’t see why people think Doomsday wins.

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Flagged as this is a rant, not a battle setup.

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inb4.....

i have no idea what i'm in before tbh...

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Agent of bait strikes again

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Hulk easily slaps DD, no one argues otherwise.

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Hulk is only strong against fodder, the only noteworthy opponents he has defeated are Loki & Abomination who Doomsday>>>

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@ready_4_madness: Hulk did overpower Thanos and hold his own Aganist Thor and Ultron... I don’t see the argument for doomsday here

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@citylevel10: its bait everyone this is what he does on every new alt

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@finalkingthanos: this isn’t bait or troll. I would CAV for Hulk, this is Hulk feats. I don’t see any combat speed or strenght feat where Doomsday outclasses the Hulk

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@citylevel10: you have admitted you troll more than once and that you think 10 Hulks couldn't beat Doomsday then you change to new bait lol.

Doomsday scales above Clark on average in everything but pure speed and he gets stronger and amped by any physical attack. It's a completely bad match up for the Hulk.

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@citylevel10: as soon as Thanos tried he overpowered Hulk with ease, he struggled against Thor without Mjolnir. He punched a Ultron who just got ganged up on by Thor, Iron Man & Vision. Doomsday dominating Superman & Wonder Woman at the same time is a better feat than anything Hulk has done.

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#14  Edited By Juicers

wouldn't surprise me when Base Cap beats Doomsday the other day

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@citylevel10: Not sure if Hulk would defeat DD but, nice post.

Hulk has been lowballed a lot by the MCU and now people think he is a joke. Hope this brings him up higher in the Battle Threads food chain.

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Literally sends a vibranium Ultron flying across sokovia(a staggering 2 km/20 city blocks) with a casual punch -- no wind up or anything. Doomsday’s haymaker against Diana was 10 city blocks at best.

Sokovia had diameter of 2 kms(iirc) since they were already in the center and jet wasn't that close to edge to even consider that ultron was tossed close to even 1 km.

This is nothing close to what doomsday did with superman before getting juiced up by nuke.

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Hulk's punches => Doomsday‘s punches.

Lol no.

Hulk casually generates a 700.000 tons earthquake in Age of Ultron, withouth momentum

700 tons?

Strenght Feat. Hulk > Doomsday.

Lol.

I am pretty sure Hulk has better strenght feats. Moving Surtur which no-sold a continental and mountain level explosion and destroyed a massive country level/planet. It shows that Hulk by scaling has a gamechanger, he can move a planet buster or KO Bricks, Hulk is not a casual brick for DD.

Moving big Building level surtur is completely irrelevant compared to island size surtur feat.

Hulk has better durability due to wearing the full IG. he survived a continental explosion by strenght and his amazing energy Durability which means DD heat vision isn’t harming him most of the time, maybe if he is weakened.

Heat vision=/= gamma radiation.

Hulk caught a supersonic Aircraft before,

Any kryptonian can do that.

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and defeated Abomination who can catch an RPG.

Ragdolled someone who is a casual bullet timer.

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Hulk has better combat speed and the superior travel speed here.

Lol.

Meanwhile: DD failed to catch Batman, a regular human.

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In a few second overpowered a leviathan which weight 3.000.000 tons and can destroy buildings and Tank Mjolnir hits, Hulk overpowered it in a better way and in a fraction of seconds.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0672015/Here you can see the only official statement about the famous leviathan feat, made by Zak Penn the writer of The Avengers (2012) and The Incredible Hulk (2008) while it is an approximate statement, i trust the writer words way more than some fan-calcs.

This is nothing compared to Doomsday who casual ripped through kryptonian ship's hull which is a casual multi-building buster.

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Here you can see a very underrated MCU Hulk feat, a mountain buster feat. Posting the calcs.300 meter length and 40 meter height for the sheared part. 12000 x 0.3 MPa (30 ton/m^2) = 360 000 tonsIt's confirmed and referenced and in tie-in comics too, why it's canon: The Blue-Ray disc has many special features:http://www.themovieblog.com/2008/08/the-incredible-hulk-special-features-announced/It's named "Alternative Opening" so by being referenced, it's still relevant. If a scene is cut because of time or another one, we can clearly see the intention of Louis Leterrier's to portray the Hulk.

Ice busting=/= mountain busting.

It can happen without hulks aid.

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Hulk has a shockwave feat here and creates Mach cones, he also has one in The Incredible Hulk.

Even a small explosive can replicate that feat.

Hulk overpowered Thanos for a portion of their fights, because they are in the same level.

Hulk caught him off guarded.

Off guarded =/= overpowering.

Joe Russo words about Thanos and Hulk in strenght :

Joe Russo: “I think ultimately, the way we looked at that fight and the way talked about it with our stunt team when we were executing it was Hulk is obviously very powerful, but he’s a little mindless in his fighting style. It’s aggressive, it’s pummeling. Thanos is the Ghengis Kahn of the universe, he’s a very skilled fighter, equally as strong.So, when you put those two up against each other, the more skilled fighter is going to win ultimately. Which is why Hulk has a moment where he overpowers Thanos, but ultimately Thanos is smart.”Thanos did beat Hulk by skill, he didn't overpower him in combat. Thanos is confirmed to be => Hulk

Thanos literally overpowered hulk here.

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So in conclusion, Hulk is stronger, faster, more durable, has better striking/strenght/bullrush/reaction speed and healing factor. I don’t see why people think Doomsday wins.

Coz u have lot of assumptions & they don't.

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Doomsday > Superman >>>>> anything hulk has ever done

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>Says Hulk has superior striking.
>Can't comprehend that even if that's so, why it's not an actual advantage to Hulk.

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DD is still > Hulk. Plus a deleted scene is no longer canon.

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That quote about the Leviathan weighing 3 million tons was clearly in jest.

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#21 Bayman007  Online

MCU Hulk gets destroyed by Doomsday.

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I mean...it's true. Hulk is above DD.

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More bait with alts pretty soon these losers are going to be arguing with themselves with they're multiple accounts

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#24  Edited By death4bunnies

DD is only impressive when’s scaled to Superman, but to be fair DD only had like 20 min of screen time.

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When scaled to BVS Superman DD wins.

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If you don’t scale to Superman, then a lot of people beat DD on stand alone feats.

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#25  Edited By Heatforce

Nice post but i disagree.

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DD rips him in half

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@citylevel10: You are my hero. Everything you explained in this thread makes sense. A lot of people on CV just can’t bring themselves to view things in another way, or accept that other people view things in different ways. But backhanding Ultron across Sokovia and then scaring away all the robots with a glare is a very good feat. What might be even better is casually punching the gigantic Hulkbuster across the city in the same movie which probably weighs as much as a tank.

Earthquaking the whole block while burrowing through the ground to escape Tony Stark’s containment cell is on a level the DCEU has never shown, only alluded to with a newspaper clipping. Hulk actually couldn’t break the containment cell and found it easier to burrow through the ground, accidentally shaking the whole block in the process. This same force was used against the Stark metal and it didn’t break. This is a ridiculous feat for Starktech too and just goes to show how ridiculous the whole MCU is.

You raised a very good point with the fact that Hulk has feats of KOing bricks which means he is no casual brick for Doomsday, someone who for all the hype, we never actually saw put ANYBODY down, who we never saw tested and what happens when he gets pushed. We’ve seen Hulk pushed and KO the Abomination. We’ve seen him effectively KO Thor and force Thor to unleash dormant power in order to survive. We’ve never seen anyone KO Hulk until Thanos even though we’ve seen Hulk go against other bricks, Surtur, and the Infinity Gauntlet.

Also there’s no reason to disregard the only writer’s statement we have regarding the Leviathan. People just don’t like the feat because it overpowers Hulk compared to the DCEU. That and his mountain busting feat.

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DD still beats Hulk, Thanos, and Thor. Same with Superman and Zod. Nothing has changed, and it never will.

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@the_hajduk: Looks like you're the only one who agrees.

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@the_hajduk: No Cav necessary. It has been proven time and time again that these characters beat Hulk and Thor.

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@the_hajduk: All the stuff he stated has been countered and/or refuted.

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@hulkbusterx9: Despite Hulk actually replicating their wanked newspaper feat on-screen by creating earthquakes. Sure pal. Despite Hulk punching the gigantic Ultron and Hulkbuster the same distance that Superman punches Zod and Doomsday punches Superman. Sure.

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That quote about the Leviathan weighing 3 million tons was clearly in jest.

No dude, a leviathan totally is weighting as much as 20k blue whales, who would be 500k meters long together. How doea that not make sense?

(I agree, he literally said Idk though)

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#36  Edited By HulkBusterx9

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Despite Hulk actually replicating their wanked newspaper feat on-screen by creating earthquakes. Sure pal.

This scaling is non sense. It doesn't take sextillions of tons of force to make a small earthquake that only managed to move around some cars.

Despite Hulk punching the gigantic Ultron and Hulkbuster the same distance that Superman punches Zod and Doomsday punches Superman. Sure.

Superman and Zod cratered the ground and sent large concrete debris flying in every direction by colliding next to it. Superman busted a building sized silo. Superman one shot the mountain sized world engine which no sold re entry and sent out a shock wave that busted part of a mountain. Superman punched the 15 foot tall DD miles into space. It's so blatantly obvious who consistently hits harder that these debates in late 2019 are pointless. Superman is and always will be stronger, faster, and more durable. If you don't like it then you should leave.

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Agreed with most things, though I think the screenwriter just didn’t know how much 3 million tons actually is, and the actual intent didn’t correspond with the number.

Hulk also has scaling from Thor’s ring feat, which is in the millions of tons, and he tanked a throw from Surtur, who is also a multi-million tonner (being able to chuck that sword around).

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#38  Edited By HERMES1220

@death4bunnies: I still don’t understand your gripe with scaling. Most feats besides independent strength and speed feats usually involve scaling characters against each other. Feats only mindsets don’t make sense. Trying to decrease the importance of scaling goes against authorial intent. Since they made most characters to be compared to each other. Most characters don’t have feats without scaling when you really think about it. Scaling=feats>statements usually.

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#39  Edited By death4bunnies

@hermes1220:

No issue with scaling, tho it does seem unfairly applied.

In this case where DD and Superman are both kryptonians and matched eachother I think scaling is especially fair.

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Like DD's Heatvision directly matched Supermans heat vision.

So I think thats a uber fair scaling comparison.

They also matched strength, and have a shared durability feat....fair.

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Let me ask you this, how do you think Spiderman scales to Cull?

Or further yet, how does Spiderman scale to hulkbuster.

Further yet, how does Spiderman scale to Hulk.

Spiderman directly matched Cull in strength, and when it was called a outlier after IW, they had him do it again in EG.

^^^^ I think this kinda scaling is a bit broken.

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Or Cap to Ultron, or scaling to Thor.

I dont think we can look at Thors best hit, and say thats what Hulk took.

Or say that Thor took 15 glacier busting punches from Hulk.

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I have zero problem with scaling, but I do think standalone feats are better.

Like Superman flew through a mountain, im 100% confident that he could again.

DD probably can fly through a mountain, im like 99% sure he can based of Superman scaling.

But the actually doing the feat seems better then facing someone who can do the feat.

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IDK seems there is a bit of context, but I agree DD scales pretty well to Pre-JL Superman.

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@death4bunnies: Wasn't Thor getting wrecked by vibranium Ultron, while Cap was holding his own against pre-vibranium Ultron?

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@death4bunnies: Wasn't Thor getting wrecked by vibranium Ultron, while Cap was holding his own against pre-vibranium Ultron?

Yes, I do believe they were different versions of Ultron, but the Ultron that Cap fought still probably should of been out of his league.

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Cap throwing him through a pillar, and tackling him into a traincar.

Now look at Ironman try to bullrush tackle the same Ultron using his boosters.

^^^This is where scaling fails^^^

Here is another tackle from Ironman....Tackles Ironmonger through building and trailer.

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Cap's tackle >>> Ironmans tackle based on Ultron.

Ironmans tackle >>> Ironmonger, then a roof, then a wall, then a truck trailer.

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Scaling gets funny, but as ive said DD actually scales pretty well to Superman.

He doesnt really have anti feats.

They are both Kryptonains.

And they directly matched eatchother in contests of strength, speed, and heatvison.

They also share the nuke feat which is the best energy durability feat either have.

For these reason I think DD and Supes are scaleable, but I dont think scaling is always reliable.

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@death4bunnies:

I understand your gripes with DD scaling above Superman when it isn't exactly clear. However, there is a statement from the VFX explaining that post-nuke DD is literally Zod pushed beyond his previous physical limits. I don't have it atm, but I'll try to find it. And since we know that Zod was practically Superman's equal, it's safe to suggest that DD is definitely > Superman in sheer physicals.

Let me ask you this, how do you think Spiderman scales to Cull?

Or further yet, how does Spiderman scale to hulkbuster.

Further yet, how does Spiderman scale to Hulk.

Spiderman directly matched Cull in strength, and when it was called a outlier after IW, they had him do it again in EG.

^^^^ I think this kinda scaling is a bit broken.

The problem here isn't the scaling, it's the consistency thereof. When you have a character who's portrayed as a mid-tier and struggles with ~100 tons in his solo film, it's safe to assume that him scaling to Hulk isn't exactly consistent. Or you argue that his solo film feats are low showings, but regardless, the problem isn't the use of scaling.

All in all, your problems with scaling seem to stem from consistency, not the actual logic of scaling. When scaling is clear and not contextual, why shouldn't we use it?

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Muh shockwaves fan base strikes again.

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Doomsday is def smacking the dog shit out of Hulk

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Hulk smash.

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@boc said:

@death4bunnies:

I understand your gripes with DD scaling above Superman when it isn't exactly clear. However, there is a statement from the VFX explaining that post-nuke DD is literally Zod pushed beyond his previous physical limits. I don't have it atm, but I'll try to find it. And since we know that Zod was practically Superman's equal, it's safe to suggest that DD is definitely > Superman in sheer physicals.

Let me ask you this, how do you think Spiderman scales to Cull?

Or further yet, how does Spiderman scale to hulkbuster.

Further yet, how does Spiderman scale to Hulk.

Spiderman directly matched Cull in strength, and when it was called a outlier after IW, they had him do it again in EG.

^^^^ I think this kinda scaling is a bit broken.

The problem here isn't the scaling, it's the consistency thereof. When you have a character who's portrayed as a mid-tier and struggles with ~100 tons in his solo film, it's safe to assume that him scaling to Hulk isn't exactly consistent. Or you argue that his solo film feats are low showings, but regardless, the problem isn't the use of scaling.

All in all, your problems with scaling seem to stem from consistency, not the actual logic of scaling. When scaling is clear and not contextual, why shouldn't we use it?

Ive said that the Kryptonains scale well to eachother, and I have no gripes about them being scaled thusly....I think ive said that in every post in this thread....but the someone asked about my overall issue with scaling..

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I said that spiderman shouldnt be scaled that way.

A DCEU example would be Diana.

She is often scaled to kryptonians.

She also struggled with weights lesser then this scaling would suggest.

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How can we scale Diana to mountain top busting kryptonians, but not Spiderman to Cull.

Both seem like outliers in comparison to these characters stand alone feats.

Both directly matched strength and durability to their opponents.

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Your right tho, my problems with scaling are usually based on context.

I accept good scaling as good scaling, some scaling I think is a little more iffy.

Not that it cant be used, but I think there are some proper counter points.

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#47  Edited By BOC  Online

@death4bunnies:

Ive said that the Kryptonains scale well to eachother, and I have no gripes about them being scaled thusly....I think ive said that in every post in this thread....but the someone asked about my overall issue with scaling..

My b, must've skimmed over that.

I said that spiderman shouldnt be scaled that way.

A DCEU example would be Diana.

She is often scaled to kryptonians.

She also struggled with weights lesser then this scaling would suggest.

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How can we scale Diana to mountain top busting kryptonians, but not Spiderman to Cull.

Both seem like outliers in comparison to these characters stand alone feats.

Both directly matched strength and durability to their opponents.

Your right tho, my problems with scaling are usually based on context.

I accept good scaling as good scaling, some scaling I think is a little more iffy.

Not that it cant be used, but I think there are some proper counter points.

Yeah, these are just problems with consistency, not scaling. Which is why it should be taken on a case by case basis, and I agree, it isn't always used properly.

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#48 BladeOfFury  Online

@death4bunnies: If Diana's anti-feats (stuff like struggling to lift tanks) outnumber the instances she's shown to be comparable to Kryptonians, then she can't be scaled, but I don't think that's the case. On the other hand, there are only two examples of Spidey matching Cull, and he definitely has many more anti feats than that.

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@death4bunnies: If Diana's anti-feats (stuff like struggling to lift tanks) outnumber the instances she's shown to be comparable to Kryptonians, then she can't be scaled, but I don't think that's the case. On the other hand, there are only two examples of Spidey matching Cull, and he definitely has many more anti feats than that.

IDK man, now its a number of anti feats vs number of scaled feats?

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I cant think of a single stand alone feat from Diana that is near Kryptonian levels.

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I just think context should be considered when scaling, that all.

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#50 BladeOfFury  Online

@death4bunnies: Yes, frequency is one factor. Thanos struggled to lift Hulk, so why does everyone consider him to be so much stronger? Because that anti feat is outnumbered by all the good feats.