DCEU Bruce Wayne & CW Oliver VS Marvel Netflix Fighters

Strictly H2H

Team

Prime Matt Murdock

Danny Rand

Wilson Fisk

Punisher (Daredevil S2)

There is no such thing as zen mode. That said, if Danny has chi, Netflix stomps.

@rbt: no chi.that would be unfair

Team 2 likely still edges it. Ollie needs a better partner.

Matt and Danny clean house, Oliver can't carry Bruce.

Baman is a fodder...So netflix team stomp.

This would literally depend on what suit Bruce has.

@mexcomics2078: Which suit does Bruce have?

Bruce is deadweight and dies within seconds to any duo he fights

Bruce is a massive weak link

Team 1 stomps. Bruce isn't as fodder as people think, and even if he was the weak link Ollie can still edge out a win himself with better durability than mostly everyone here.

Team 2. They might not even need Kingpin.

Kingpin's probably the strongest one on Team 2, since Danny doesn't have chi. He, alongside Matt are Team 2's strongest chances of success.

@sargeras: Danny is way better than Fisk, as is prime Matt. I don't see how that's debatable. He's the strongest one physically but he's below anyone here.

@anthp2000: Yeah I was meaning physically. Skill-wise he's pretty much a brute. But his strength & durability would allow him to essentially act as basically a tank for everyone else on team 2.

Oliver's good, arguably the LA peak human king and definitely the best here (most skilled + insane physicals), but even he can't carry deadweight.

@mexcomics2078: Does they have their suits? That's pretty important, especially for Bruce.

What?

Iron Fist alone can beat Batman, and Oliver can't take the other 3 alone. Team 1 wins.

This

Oliver can beat anyone here, Punisher is essentially fodder, and if Bruce has his suit, he might be able to take Fisk. That said, they can put up a decent fight, but they're just not beating that whole team. Give Oliver a better partner, or an extra one, and this could go differently.

Netflix Crew.

I didn't even see Frank here

Bruce can roundhouse a 200+ lb dude a few feet away and put someone's head through a floorboard with his overhand right, as well as fight multiple, higher tier opponents way better than Matt/Frank can (Matt having kicked Danny's ass). Not to mention they'd probably hurt their hands on his gauntlets. Why is he a weak link here?

@sargeras: regular BVS suit

@the_wspanialy: oliver has GA Suit. Matt has DD Red suit. Bruce has Bvs standard suit punisher has his bulletproof vest amd kingpin has his armored suit

What high tier opponents has Bruce faced that even begin to compare to Hand Ninjas?

...Probably Superman + Parademons + Deadshot, among others?

@sargeras: I was assuming he meant fodder-wise. Even then...

1. Superman had little to do with skill and more to do with prep.
2. He needed insane gear usage for Parademons and even then struggled with one.
3. Deadshot isn't impressive in CQC to begin with.

@supremegeneration: Mercenaries in PMCs are usually ex-special-forces operatives. Probably have been through more shit than a bunch of ninjas who get pwned by Jessica Jones despite having swords.

Even assuming they are ex special forces - which is complete conjecture - I still don't find it any more impressive. Is it possible they've "been through more shit" than Hand Ninjas? Maybe. Do I give a flying damn? Not really. They don't have any feats.

Plain and simple, the Hand Ninjas have a baseline feat with which to measure them:

Jessica beating them is a feat for Jessica, not an anti-feat for Hand Ninjas.

Netflix team wins - Bruce is far too much of a weak link. Matt & Danny alone give the duo a great fight (IMO Oliver > Matt > Danny > Bruce), but adding Frank & Fisk, whose physicals make them excellent distractions, is simply too much.

@supremegeneration: You need at least a military background to join a PMC. Any PMC. Money is of no object to Lex and his plans the most important thing to him in BvS, so you can say within reasonable certainty that he got the best. Their baseline of taking out a village full of an African warlord's soldiers, whom were armed with machine guns and tanks, is way better than ninjas taking out a couple hospital guards.

DD season 2 and Iron Fist showed us the only sources we know of where the Hand recruits their ninjas... villages and traditional martial arts dojos, a handful being teenagers. Now, as someone who's gone around numerous martial arts studios, I can firmly say that these individuals will not beat anyone with military experience except through sheer luck. It's not even a matter of skill, it's a matter of mindset and experience with combat stress. But again, teenagers.

And I'm sorry, but if you get punched by someone with zero combat training (that we know of), even though you have twice an arms' length's reach on them with a one shot weapon, and there are more of you, and she's not even coming at you, you just objectively suck.

Don't see why Danny alone can't beat Bruce, is faster, more skilled and certainly hits hard enough to put Bruce down.

Ah, you're one of those. And I don't mean that in a derogatory manner, I apologize if it comes off that way, but it's a certain mindset that people have, like you. I even agree to an extent, I just can't get behind it fully. The idea that because something is one way in real life, it must be that way in fiction. That's just plain wrong.

And I'm sorry, but if you get punched by someone with zero combat training (that we know of), even though you have twice an arms' length's range on them with a one shot weapon, and there are more of you, and she's not even coming at you, you just objectively suck.

It's not like Jess is devoid of skill or speed. IIRC she reacted to a speed-enhanced guy from behind. Hand Ninja are fodder, they exist to be defeated. This is a feat for Jessica. At the end of the day it's fiction, real life logic or experience gets thrown out the window.

@supremegeneration: Np.

Then fictionally, the mercs' baseline of taking out a village full of machine gun armed (and one tank) soldiers is way better than the ninjas taking out a pair of hospital guards.

Batman's speed feats of evading Superman, shotgun blasts, kicking someone quicker than a grenade can be thrown, and getting to Martha quicker than <what's-his-name> all surpass Jessica's speed. Mercs were keeping up with him though.

Duo can potentially take it.

That baseline includes overwhelming numbers, guns, a huge element of surprise, and absolutely no CQC skill whatsoever. As a unit, I'd take the mercs any day, but in terms of pure skill, Hand Ninjas are superior.

Even if Bruce is faster than Jess - and I'm inclined to agree - he's facing an entirely different breed of fighter here. Danny and Matt take down more skilled fodder in CQC and mow them down faster than Bruce was able to fight fodder with absolutely 0 CQC feats aside from fighting Bruce. The mercs keeping up with him isn't even that great, he got tagged repeatedly and his combat speed feats are subpar compared to most named fighters.

@supremegeneration: also you forgot to add that Daredevil beat 5 Full armed hand Ninjas without getting tagged.