DCEU Birds of Prey VS MCU Hawkeye and Widow

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Standard knowledge and perfect teamwork for both sides, fight take place in BOP theme park (finale battle).

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ROUND 1 - unarmed combat.

Harley (coked up), huntress, Canary (NO canary cry), Montoya and Cassandra take on Clint and Nat.

Start 10 feet apart.

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ROUND 2 - standard gears (minus any explosives).

BOP team get their mullet, bat, crossbow, pistol etc. Harley have her gun from Suicide Squad, and Canary may use canary cry ONCE.

MCU duo get their standard gear - pistol, widow bites, baton, bow and arrows etc.

Start 30 feet apart.

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See also: BOP vs Suicide Squad

Round 1- BOP win, Harley’s stats will overwhelm either in a 1v1 (she can’t solo, but with the rest of the team it’s enough to carry) (agility and strength)

Round 2- Canary Solos

Black Widow and Hawkeye both rounds.

@emmafrostxmen: I can see the agility argument but what was Harley/BOP's best strength feat(s)?

R1: Nat & Clint. If it was only one of them versus the BoP, an argument could be made for the BoP to win. But against both, the BoP aren't winning.

R2: BoP win, with Dinah and her Cry as the MVP

@limitless82: one shotting people quite a few times. At one point she kicked a phone so hard it one shot the police lady (forgot her name lol)

@emmafrostxmen: don't forget Clint and natasha has also one-shot MCU fodders, including aliens and ultron-bots.

Widow and Clint for R1.

For round 2, with even basic knowledge of Canary's powers, the likelihood of Clint neutralising Dinah from range is quite high.

Not seeing Harley's striking edge.

@rogueshadow: that’s not really impressive tbh

Harley one shot someone by kicking a phone into their head

Canary performed a similar striking feat to the one you posted. She kicked a car door so hard the window went through someone’s head, I find that to be more impressive

@emmafrostxmen: Clint managed a clean ragdoll through the air and through a window from just a left hook to the head and it wasn't even into the opponent's centre of mass. Kicks generate significantly more force than a punch and this is still more impressive to me from what I can recall. I'd have to see the feats you mentioned again to be sure, but I'd say that Clint should really be generating significantly more force in this feat than those two would require.

@rogueshadow: Hawkeye struggled to hold up Widow in his most recent appearance

BoP aren't winning this

@emmafrostxmen: Striking is a product of mass, speed and technique more than strength. And even in terms of strength, Clint struggling to hold Widow with one arm while in a compromised position and trying to hold onto the rope about his waist with his other hand to keep himself equilibrated while it threatened to come loose shouldn't really be held against him. Just holding onto her wasn't the chore, there were a variety of factors at play.

@rogueshadow: Canary’s base kicks rag dolled people twice her size several feet back, and her foot sweep caused a large man to be forcefully flipped through the air

I don't remember her ragdolling anybody like Clint did in the gif I provided, with a clean sweep through the air and through a window from a simple punch. Her kicks just seemed to make people sort of stagger back rather than being a true ragdoll. And again, kicks >> punches and by a rather enormous margin. Dinah's kicks likely generate several times as much force than her punches and vice-versa for Clint.

@rogueshadow: Dinah rag dolled people in the final group fight of the movie

Kicks being >> punches isn’t relevant. Hawkeye chooses to almost never kick in action sequences, while Dinah almost only kicks

@emmafrostxmen- Looking at it none of these really seem comparable. More like people just staggering backwards or falling down. I'm not sure what's supposed to be going on with the leg sweeps to be honest.

We were originally discussing Harley but yeah, I don't think any of the BoP can punch or kick as hard as Clint can punch, they don't seem comparable to his punch which legitimately ragdolled the guy through a window, she's really just knocking people staggering back and then they fall over from what I can see.

To me, actually ragdolling somebody with a kick looks more like this:

Her guys aren't getting any height or distance, they're mostly just sort of falling back.

@rogueshadow: Canary basically replicated the exact feat you posted lol

Clint rarely ever kicks in combat, therefore you saying he kicks harder isn’t really relevant at all.

Where? In the clip?

And I'm saying he punches harder than she kicks regardless. That he could almost definitely kick even harder than his punches is mostly just an add on.

@rogueshadow: yes and her own fight.

I really can't see the comparison between these feats:

And this one:

Clint's strike is sending the guy hurtling clean off his feet and through a window, actually being ragdolled through the air. He would have to generate far more force than Canary, who is essentially just sending them stumbling back and falling down. It's incredibly mundane by comparison. And I don't really see how it's comparable to what Danny did either.

He's travelling further, faster and it's a clean ragdoll.

If you disagree I'm not really sure what to say, I'm just not seeing it. Agree to disagree.

@emmafrostxmen: @rogueshadow: it was fun to watch your exchanges, not to take side here, just to remind that regardless of who is stronger, Canary is not alone here. She got the back up of her BOP teammates while Clint got his bestie Natasha, surely that affects the outcome one way or another? 😊

MCU wins this handily. Regardless io numbers, you guys are forgetting the extremely massive skills difference. Also, Nat an Clint are well experienced in taking down physically superior foes like aliens and Robots. Not that this team are physically superior tho.

But the idea that BoP stand a chance is inane

Round 1: avengers got this

Round 2: Birds of prey, only because of canary cry

Black Widow and Hawkeye.

MCU Team curbs both rounds.

Harley was a legitimate badass in the prison breakout scene. I don’t know how people can say Black Canary had the best fight .

She can likely compete with Clint and Natasha .

Black Canary gets stomped in h2h by both though .

So if Harley square off (or stall) with one of the duo, do you think the rest of the BOP are skilled enough to take out the other one?

I mean , it is hard to say , but I think that they could take Hawkeye out . But , Cassandra Cain and Renee Montoya definitely die .

I believe that Natasha could take out Harley , but she will definitely take damage .

Nat would most definitely solo unarmed, Clint would likely solo with gear. No way are Widow and Hawkeye losing together in either round.

MCU both round

@death4bunnies your thought on this?

Either Clint or Nat solo tbh

@limitless82:

BOP both rounds.

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Harley can 1v1 Widow, she just has better skill feats, and massively better stats, the rest of the BOP can take Hawkeye, with huntress carrying. (id put harley 10 v 1ing prisoners barehanded vs any barehanded Clint or Nat feat.)

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Weapons definitely goes to BOP, the guns are enough really, BOP has some good shooters with Harley being able to do flips and land headshot.

Clint has better accuracy, but they are both near 100% from this distance, and guns>>Arrows.

Nat doesn't have super great accuracy, she can hang with any BOP thats not Harley in that regard, but they outnumber her pretty heavy.

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This likely changes after BW solo, but right now Harley has the better skill feats.

Finally watched the movie a few hours ago. Finally we got to see more hand to hand from Harley. Even so, Natasha can pretty much teambust the team. She's clearly a much more refined fighter.

The only shot the Birds have in R2 is the Canary Cry, but Dinah required some build-up and positioning, which she won't have against ranged combatants of this caliber. Harley and Huntress are solid weapon specialists, but Widow and Hawkeye are better.

You could handcuff/blindfold either Natasha or Clint and they'd still solo lol

Either MCU solos.

Bruh, this will be even worse once the Black Widow movie and Hawkeye series drop...