DCEU Batman vs Phase 1 MCU Captain America

@rbt: Why not?

The official guidebook confirmed it doesn't amp his physical stats.

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I trust Zack Snyder's words and his intent more than some online users.

@sufferedtoker: Then it's a humungous outlier.

Batman stomps.

Bruce wrecks

Jesus christ, the DCEU Batman wank is as prevalent as ever.

Cap beats him, anyone claiming that Bruce is physically stronger or more durable than MCU Cap is taking crack or some shit.

@erkanbeater: Nothing of the sort

Batman still has feats to win this

He escaped supermans line of sight and super senses using the knowledge from disappearing from the league fo assassins

He has the net gun

He’s has several explosives

And remote controlled vehicles bat mobile and Batwing

Either the batwing or batmobile is enough reason to say Batman wins since the suit he wears calls them

Even assuming that’s not included and it is the OP says standard gear and the calling device is standard, even assuming he doesn’t have it he can easily escape caps line of sight use the smoke grenades, the net gun and explosives to put cap down

You give Batman too much credit if you think he will fight fairly in any encounter

The battle was over the moment the OP didn’t take away the device that calls his vehicles

Coffin: *Your argument*

you must be retarded as Snyder if you think pillar feats is legit considering other Bruce feats...

Its really not. Most of the people arguing that pillar feat is legit are trolling. Most.

Well that's a relief. Mostly.

Cap is still fast above batman

@rbt: Alright, but atleast we agree that Armored Batman curbs? Since the pillar is 100% "legit" while having the armor?

Most likely, yeah. But the shield could create some problem. In cqc, Bruce would win.

@rbt: I think he wins against Bucky comfortably and he beats Cap with the shield with high difficulty. Cap has no way to put him down scaling off Parademons.

I wouldn't say that. The shield can still do some big damage.

@rbt: Yeah but once the shield is gone Cap gets stomped.

If Bruce has his mech suit and if Cap somehow loses his shield, then yes, Bruce wins.

Not to say he can't win here. He has decent gear. Its just that he doesn't stand much of a chance in cqc.

@rbt: I mean we are obviously not counting the pillar here right? Because I'd agree in that case (with pillar he wins even without the suit). I think Bucky would be a better match up.

Yeah. No reason to count an outlier.

Because I'd agree in that case (with pillar he wins even without the suit). I think Bucky would be a better match up.

Buck is slightly watered down version of Cap, so I'd say yes.

Batman's Stealth is too good, and there's no need to limit Steve to Phase 1 Feats:

@rbt:

Yeah. No reason to count an outlier.

You count this as a durability feat tho:

@subline: I do.

Rah

Close fight but I'm more inclined towards Cap. Way stronger and his shield can render Bats equipment useless.

@amendment50:

same but it actually applies with Cap

His whole thing it's about being skilled and what not

@rbt: Yeah, sounds about right.

@manofthunderbolts65:

Way stronger and his shield can render Bats equipment useless.

His shield doesn't do that well against explosived(TWS highway fight), or its just wildly inconsistent in its behaviour. And the fact that Bruce carries multiple sticky explosives, likely magnetic, could become dangerous very quick.

Agree with rest.

Batman separates Steve from the shield then beats him senseless. He probably doesn't even need gear.

Killer Croc was in the direct area of effect for the blast that killed Incumbus and vaporized everyone underneath. The only reason he didn't detonate the bomb himself was to deal with Enchantress's soldiers dogpiling him. There's no calling this an outlier either because he ripped off Firefly's armor in a BvS tie in which is durable enough to take buildings exploding on it. There's also the pillar feat, which still stands.

@the_gaurdian: I've heard of that feat a lot but could never find the comic, where's it from?

Batman is building level now. This gift just keeps on giving.

@subline: The book I have is titled "The Secret files of the Suicide Squad" but I think this one here may be the actual title.

The Cap.

Bats just pulls out guns or uses the Batmobile to run over cap. Cap has no chance against serial killer Batman.

Cap still stomps

Phase 1 Cap was matching Endgame Cap. Considering that I'd say he wins.

If we just count Phase 1 showings, though, Batman probably takes this in a close fight due to better speed, strategy and physical feats.

MCU Cap FTW

Cap stomps the man in the silly bat suit

Cap in a good fight

@kaithighju: @pandalumina: @amajjjjjjjjjjjj:

Do you have feats from P1 Cap better than these?

Attack Potency:

Durability:

Parademons are superhuman.

Batman takes a point blank explosion like nothing

Speed

@power_hunter:

AP - oneshotted Asgardian soldiers, hurt Loki

Durability - tanked a Chitauri blast, a couple of these were enough to damage Iron Man

Speed - tagged Loki who reacted to a meteor

@kryptonianking88:

I didn't know we were using outliers too.

Then Batman is light speed:

And he stomps.

@power_hunter: which ones are outliers?

AP: Captain America hurting Loki. I guess you're using Loki's only durability feat(no-selling the Bifrost explosion), therefore Captain America's striking would be in the High Multi-City Block-Low Kiloton range.

Speed: I don't know how fast do you scale Loki for reacting to those meteors. If you're using an average speed of 20-50 km/s then it falls in the High Hypersonic+ range. If what you're saying is that Captain America's combat speeds exceeds the Mach 60 range because he was able to hit Loki, then it's an outlier too.

Batman beats the stuffing out of this Cap in H2H. Steve's physicals don't actually exceed what Batman does in the feats above until Civil War and the last 2 Avengers movies

Steve should be able to win.

cap. he may not be as skilled as bats at that point but he still has better stats.

@power_hunter: honestly batman's ridiculous feats have become so common they might just be consistent now lmao

Cap in a god stomp

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