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Posted by skywalker95 (4287 posts) 2 months, 1 day ago

Poll: DCEU Aquaman vs MCU Black Panther/Killmonger (65 votes)

Arthur 58%
T'Challa and Erik 42%
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  • Post Aqauman, IW
  • Standard Gear
  • Battle takes place in Sicily
  • Good teamwork between duo
  • Win by Ko, Death or Incap
  • No bfr
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#1 Posted by miekskywalker (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

On land they kill him he has better stats but not high enough

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#2 Posted by GeorgeWBush (11593 posts) - - Show Bio

Either of them can solo

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#3 Posted by Lucano (3409 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither of team 2 can solo...

On land they have a genuine chance at winning, however, with, as per OP it is post-Aquaman Arthur, he should be able to win at least a slight majority, has a superior weapon than what he used during most of the movie, one powerful, ancient, magical weapon. Has better stats in almost every aspect and can basically baseball-bat one of them with the trident far enough to just stay 1v1 for brief moments, wearing them out as time passes. He certainly has the blunt force durability and the strength and stamina to outlast both.

Arthur 6.5/10

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#4 Posted by TonyMartial (8840 posts) - - Show Bio

@lucano said:

Neither of team 2 can solo...

On land they have a genuine chance at winning, however, with, as per OP it is post-Aquaman Arthur, he should be able to win at least a slight majority, has a superior weapon than what he used during most of the movie, one powerful, ancient, magical weapon. Has better stats in almost every aspect and can basically baseball-bat one of them with the trident far enough to just stay 1v1 for brief moments, wearing them out as time passes. He certainly has the blunt force durability and the strength and stamina to outlast both.

Arthur stomps

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#5 Posted by ThunderPrince (6935 posts) - - Show Bio

On land they kill him he has better stats but not high enough

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#6 Posted by Lord_Titan_ (2562 posts) - - Show Bio

Its standard gear, arthur has no counter to either

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#7 Edited by skywalker95 (4287 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#8 Posted by Slade-Prime (1285 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman curbs.

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#9 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15445 posts) - - Show Bio

They don’t have the damage output to beat Arthur. Especially not while he has his trident.

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#11 Edited by mrmonster (14707 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman just drowns both in a tidal wave.

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#12 Posted by TheGrat1 (471 posts) - - Show Bio

Arthur crash landed and laughed it off. They are not beating him with punches.

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#13 Posted by miekskywalker (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGrat1: why would they punch? They have vibranium claws for a reason

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#14 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (4195 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGrat1:

Why would they punch when they have vibranium claws?

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#16 Edited by plotweapon16255 (7509 posts) - - Show Bio

Trident rips them apart.

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#17 Edited by drago666 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrmonster said:

Aquaman just drowns both in a tidal wave.

I don't recall Aquaman displaying hyrdokenesis like Mera. He stopped the tidal wave in justice league and he learned how to do that trick Vulko showed him but he's never summoned a tidal wave from my memory.

EDIT: I also doubt Aquaman would just flood a city full of innocent people in character.

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#18 Posted by TheGrat1 (471 posts) - - Show Bio

@miekskywalker:

Ask Cull Obsidian.

I am not saying that they can not win here, just saying their punches wont be much of an issue for him.

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#19 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (7179 posts) - - Show Bio

The only way Artur would win is if the trident csn pierce their suits

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#20 Posted by deactivated-5c830d4e319e6 (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

In water of near water Aquaman wins. On land Duo wins.

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#21 Posted by Rebake (3897 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGrat1: Ask Cap and Bucky who were attacked mostly with claw attacks. Panther doesn't usually punch with his suit on. As for this fight, I'm undecided. Vibranium effectiveness, numbers, and the trident's piercing power are the deciding factors here IMO.

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#22 Posted by imperialbuttlicker (231 posts) - - Show Bio

Arthur stomps

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#23 Posted by AtmExle (545 posts) - - Show Bio

Cats win with ease.

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#24 Posted by Mrnoital (7972 posts) - - Show Bio

the trident is a much superior weapon to their claws, but its impossible to say if it can get through their vibranium, but it's possible (just touching the bottom end easily tore through atlantean metal)

it's really the deciding factor

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#25 Posted by war of light_2814 (2694 posts) - - Show Bio

Arthur stomps.

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#26 Posted by miekskywalker (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: let’s say the trident can pierce vibranium he might skewer one of them. But by then the other would kill him

He shouldn’t have trouble with one but with 2 he dies

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#27 Posted by Mrnoital (7972 posts) - - Show Bio

@miekskywalker: how does one just get an automatic kill when Arthur has a much better h2h weapon and better stats

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#28 Edited by miekskywalker (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: by slicing his throat, cull had much better stats than bp doesn’t stop bp from being able to fight him

We don’t know for sure if the trident can pierce vibranium but vibranium would easily pierce him

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#29 Posted by Mrnoital (7972 posts) - - Show Bio

@miekskywalker: Culls stats were pretty questionable, he was stomping Ironman like nothing, but his weapon seemed pretty much incapable of hurting spiderman who stopped it pretty much as easy as he stopped Winter Soldiers arm

what exactly are his claws best feats? that one time he popped a tire? he never really uses them in battle and now he's just gonna get an instant kill against a weapon with much better reach?

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#30 Posted by Richubs (3799 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless Arthur has his trident the Panthers can win

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#31 Posted by miekskywalker (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: caps shield got scratched for nothing?

He wasn’t cutting outriders down?

Also Spider-Man is strong, him stopping culls swing is a feat for himself not anti feat for cull.

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#32 Posted by imperialbuttlicker (231 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs said:

Unless Arthur has his trident the Panthers can win

LOL it's his standard gear

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#33 Posted by Mrnoital (7972 posts) - - Show Bio

@miekskywalker: it did cosmetic damage to caps shield, it basically just scratched the paint

I actually don't recall his quarter inch nails taking down any outriders, pretty sure he was mostly punching

and going by previous fights, Spidermans about as strong as Captain America, they stright up had a tug of war and it was close

are we just assuming Cap and spidey are around Hulk strength now, cause that seems to be where people place Cull, even if he doesn't have the feats for it

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#34 Posted by Richubs (3799 posts) - - Show Bio
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#35 Posted by miekskywalker (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: spiderman is stronger than cap

He was casuallly holding winter soldiers arm who is caps equal in strength

Also bp had his claws out in the army and his general used her spear which is vibranium and his whole army. He doesn’t need the feat himself of vibranium cutting outriders.

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#36 Posted by Mrnoital (7972 posts) - - Show Bio

@miekskywalker: if you don't understand how a spear can kill something half inch nails can't, then I'm done here

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#37 Posted by GeorgeWBush (11593 posts) - - Show Bio

They're fast enough to dodge his spear lmao

He got his ass kicked by someone vastly less skilled than Panther

He gets annihilated by the Wakandans

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#38 Posted by MetalJimmor (6175 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman wins pretty solidly. Vastly superior stats, a weapon with a longer reach, at least good enough skill, and he's wearing armor on top of his already piercing resistant skin. I also don't see why his trident, which destroyed the trident that destroyed the trident that pierced Steppenwolf's armor, wouldn't pierce their armor as well, which means he can go for one hit kills while they are maybe giving him small cuts.

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#39 Posted by miekskywalker (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: claws not nails. And bp killed outriders just like everyone else

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#41 Posted by miekskywalker (2069 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: cap also had vibranium spiked shields

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#42 Posted by Mrnoital (7972 posts) - - Show Bio

@miekskywalker: I always find it funny when people call those spikes or blades, they were shields not spikes

he used powerful blunt strikes

feel free to post a video or gif of Panther actually using his nails to kill anyone

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#43 Posted by Rebake (3897 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: the previous Black Panther one-shotted his bro...Bucky was also almost killed by the claws if not for Wanda's interference. The claws also scratched Cap's shield which can tank grenades, disintegration blasts, Mjolnir strikes, and repulsor blasts. While the trident is likely able to pierce things deeper, it's Aquaman's skin itself that may be vulnerable to claws. Just like despite the durability of the suits, the trident may be able to pierce due to it's material and Aquaman's strength. But the trident has been broken in a way vibranium hasn't, so I think this match is close and really depends on how the weapons and users interact.

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#44 Posted by Helloman (28587 posts) - - Show Bio

The team wins.

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#45 Posted by IPvMan (407 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman stomps.

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#46 Edited by Mrnoital (7972 posts) - - Show Bio

@rebake: pretty sure that happened off screen cause it actually doesn't make sense, with how long the claws are they wouldn't even go further than the ribs

and nice list of things the shield took, but all his claws did was scratch the paint and not do any real damage

and that was the old trident, the new trident is made from something else that was apparently the source of unlimited energy that caused Atlantis to sink and give all Atlanteans the ability to breathe underwater and is much much better than his last trident that was broken

going for the throat worked on bucky, but he could only do that after overpowering him and beating him in h2h, which he won't have a chance against someone physically stronger and at least as talented with a weapon that has much better reach

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#47 Posted by Rebake (3897 posts) - - Show Bio

@mrnoital: no, look closer, the claws affected the texture of the shield. Perhaps the new trident is stronger, but I can't confirm that. I do think it has better control and manipulation, but that can be separate from durability.

The issue is that this is 2 vibranium clad fighters. Bucky would be dead in seconds taking on both at once. Aquaman will have the trouble of knocking one back and possibly getting slashed by another. Atlanteans metal is strong, but doesn't to my knowledge have the same advantages as vibranium, like vibration absorption and near immunity to blunt force. He's not likely tanking vibranium claw attacks since Black Manta with less strength than BP was able to stab him with what we'll consider equal to vibranium in damage output for argument's sake. Based on what I've seen, this fight should take time. Both sides have a way to wear down the other. I'd definitely bet on Aquaman if it was 1v1, but many times an additional fighter that can actually do serious damage can turn the fight around. If Aquaman had more piercing durability (not that he's weak in that category), he wouldn't have trouble. But special metal does cause him trouble. The duo is not safe either and can be worn down, but they probably aren't getting one-shotted via trident as even vibranium weapons can't reliably break the armor. It's an endurance fight IMO. However, I may go with Aquaman if there's a feat with the gold trident that is so much better than I remember (with calcs) or a future trident feat proves it can easily get past vibranium armor. Aquaman probably hasn't unlocked its full power yet.

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#48 Posted by Mrnoital (7972 posts) - - Show Bio

@rebake: what makes you think Manta had less strength than Panther?

Manta was in an Atlantean Power suit, someone else wearing something similar to it ran through a bunch of walls as if they were made of paper

and the tridents are pretty hard to try to calc, I wouldn't trust a calc if someone made one, Orms trident tore through the entire side of a nuclear sub with ease, and Aquamans new trident absolutely shattered it

it might even have magical properties considering it's called poisidons steel and we know the greek gods were real in their universe, we don't know the tridents true potential

we do know it was apparently the source of unlimited energy that caused Atlantis to sink and mutated all atlanteans to be able to breathe underwater

also we don't know BPs suits limitations, in theory those suits make them pretty much invincible, but on screen, a powerful enough hit that sends them flying means they have trouble trying to get back in a fight right away

really this fight can go any way the writer would want given the suits limitations seem to based purely on plot

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#49 Posted by APEX_pretador (19724 posts) - - Show Bio

If the trident can pierce the suit, he murders. Otherwise he gets overwhelmed after a long fight

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#50 Posted by GeorgeWBush (11593 posts) - - Show Bio

It’s not a long fight a substantially slower, less skilled, and clunkier suit gave him more trouble. Either Wakandan solos

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