- No Weapons, No God Mode
- Purely a Fist Fight
- Battle takes place on titan
- Win by Death
She has shown the ability to use a Sword, Lasso, Shield, H2H & Arrows. Held her own against Steppenwolf longer than any Justice League member not named Superman. Defeated Ares who pushed Zeus to his limits.
This scene alone puts her ahead of Aquaman if we’re just talking about skill.
@ready_4_madness: mastering weapons doesn't count in a h2h skill fight, Aquaman did equally well against Steppenwolf and defeating Ares who doesn't have any skill in not a skill feat
Wonder Woman beat German fodder, Aquaman beat atlantian fodder, I'd say that's about even but if I had to pick I'd pick atlantian fodder
Aquaman also displayed great skill against Ocean master
Well, I'd think she loses that super speed with the sword, no? Her bullet timing feats were always when her arms were free without a shield and sword in her hand. Otherwise, her CQC abilities with sword and shield aren't as good as her H2H speed feats.
@leonardsnart: you asked me to list skill feats, is mastering a weapon not a skill feat?
It’s the amount of soldiers she took out at the same time, armed me surrounding her, shooting at her. She’s deflecting bullets and beating up trained soldiers at the same time. She done this with two sets of weapons. I think that’s a greater feat than fighting three Atlantean soldiers and getting knocked out by one too.
What Wonder Woman done was much harder to accomplish. While Aquaman lost to a random Atlantean Soldier, Wonder Woman held her own against Doomsday and beat Ares. She’s clearly better.
@ready_4_madness: I thought it was implied that I wanted relevant skill feats to h2h since this is what this thread is about...
Trained soldiers? Those were fodder and showed no skill, the atlantian solider that koed him obviously seemed more powerful than the other ones since he had just finished stomping the other soliders
Holding her own against unskilled opponents has nothing to do with skill, you said the skill gap is clear as day but now you're counting feats against unskilled opponents...
Both have skill feats and Diana defeating a couple more mall cop German soliders doesn't make her skill gap "clear as day" especially since they did equally well against Steppenwolf
@leonardsnart: so you think they sent untrained soldiers to war? Good to know.
You go inside a warehouse surrounded by armed men and see how long you last. No matter how you sugar coat it, what she done is a great feat period. Better than Arthur’s imo.
And she did perform better against Steppenwolf, she literally stopped fighting him to protect Aquaman. She’s more skilled for sure.
@ready_4_madness: what skill feats do German soliders have? That's like me implying the atlantian fodder soliders are also skilled cause they wouldn't send unskilled soliders out
Diana beat a couple of more fodder that doesn't make her skill gap clear as day since Aquaman displayed the ability to defeat more powerful fodder
To protect him from those falling blocks? Steppen smacked Diana away then turned his attention to Aquaman and smacked him away and he took Steppens axe using his arm as cover which resulted in him hitting a wall sending blocks falling over him, something wonder woman used a shield to block literally a second before that, so the only reason he needed help from those falling blocks is because he did something Diana didn't show the durability to do and didn't have a shield, I don't see how that's doing better than him since Steppen had even turned his attention to cyborg
@leonardsnart: I’m implying that the amount of enemies Wonder Woman far exceeds what Aquaman had to deal with. It wasn’t a couple more, it was way more. Aquaman ended up getting knocked out whereas Wonder Woman won her fight.
You’re right about the Steppenwolf part though.
@ready_4_madness: Aquaman stomped the atlantian soliders, then this one who you can see is meant to be more superior comes and beats him and somehow it's a feat against him? That's clearly a feat for that one solider since we had just seen Aquaman stomp the other ones, I don't know how you can't see this, and Diana got tagged by those mall cop German soldiers, so her performance against them isn't as clean cut since all she needed was to one shot them
And Atlantians>>>>German soliders by the way and that's not even counting the superior one that beat Arthur
@ready_4_madness: Diana dealt 0 damage to Ares, was smacked away easily, outmuscled and was binded by metal with his tk, Diana was losing that fight but I still don't get why that's applicable here, that atlantian actually has superior skill feats than Ares since he was able to outskill Aquaman, Ares has no skill feats to speak of for him to be relevant here
@rajjar: you saying her gear slows her down is an assumption, since she was able to bullet time with her shield against German soldiers
I did not remember this at first. I re-watched the scene - blocking bullets with a shield is not as fast as the JL feat. She even did it at regular speed, which is like BP/Cap level, not the superspeed we saw in JL. She also got tagged in her boots right after. I do see your point, though. My main argument is that her reaction speed suffers big time with that, due to the Steppenwolf fight, because she is able to move her arms much faster whenever they are free from holding something, like the sword and shield. Otherwise, she should have blitzed and decapped Steppenwolf, which is like half the DCEU Diana fans winning strat on this site.
Diana wrecks on land. She's at least comparably skilled, faster and her stats are better.
She's more durable by a large margin. Having taken explosions that were very powerful and sent her flying hundreds of meters.
She endured being thrown hard enough to mess up a tank and also took a punch from Ares that sent her flying hundreds of feet into a tank.
She took hits from Doomsday.
Her shield may have protected her here but its still very impressive and beyond anything Arthur has done.
Her damage output is better as well. She managed to do this to Steppenwolf.
I don't see Arthur replicating that.
WW would win, but Arthur is getting severely underrated here. His fight with Black Manta in Sicily was destroying the entire town, and he was getting hit with Atlantian tech (plasma beams and their steel), which is his “kryptonite”. Yet, he still was able to come out on top with just a few wounds healed by seaweed lol. I believe that it’s not his durability that is lacking, but rather his damage output. His h2h striking feats do not give him enough offensive potential to put down WW. Basically, Arthur isn’t dishing out hits like Ares or Doomsday; but, WW IS dishing out hits greater than Black Manta. Therefore, she should be the clear cut winner here.
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