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#1 Posted by skywalker95 (4473 posts) - - Show Bio
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- No Weapons, No God Mode

- Purely a Fist Fight

- Battle takes place on titan

- Win by Death

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#2 Posted by APEX_pretador (20341 posts) - - Show Bio

WW is faster and has better durability. She wins

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#3 Posted by Mr_Shazam0920 (4528 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably WW

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#4 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15916 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman comfortably, the skill gap is clear as day.

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#5 Posted by nfactor1995 (12879 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman struck me as overall more physically powerful and definitely faster. Probably/possibly more skilled as well, but I think Aquaman gets vastly underrated skill-wise tbh.

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#6 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: could you list Diana's skill feats? I assure you I can give you a comparable skill feat Arthur has for all of them

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#7 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman is vastly underrated here, I can counter anybody who thinks Diana wins here, this is a 50/50 fight

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#8 Posted by Rajjar (1772 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman is vastly underrated here, I can counter anybody who thinks Diana wins here, this is a 50/50 fight

I think Diana takes a 60/40 because of her bullet timing feats.

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#9 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: Aquaman seemed to be able to keep up very well with her and Steppenwolf

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#10 Posted by CyberpunkCop (3406 posts) - - Show Bio

WW stomps

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#11 Posted by jayc1324 (26422 posts) - - Show Bio

WW stomps. Only clear advantage Arthur has is piercing durability which doesn't matter.

Skill, strength, blunt durability, speed, striking power, all that goes to Wonder Woman.

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#12 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15916 posts) - - Show Bio

@leonardsnart:

She has shown the ability to use a Sword, Lasso, Shield, H2H & Arrows. Held her own against Steppenwolf longer than any Justice League member not named Superman. Defeated Ares who pushed Zeus to his limits.

This scene alone puts her ahead of Aquaman if we’re just talking about skill.

https://youtu.be/Yrdih26Dv_g

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#13 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: mastering weapons doesn't count in a h2h skill fight, Aquaman did equally well against Steppenwolf and defeating Ares who doesn't have any skill in not a skill feat

Wonder Woman beat German fodder, Aquaman beat atlantian fodder, I'd say that's about even but if I had to pick I'd pick atlantian fodder

Aquaman also displayed great skill against Ocean master

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#14 Posted by Rajjar (1772 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: Aquaman seemed to be able to keep up very well with her and Steppenwolf

Well, I'd think she loses that super speed with the sword, no? Her bullet timing feats were always when her arms were free without a shield and sword in her hand. Otherwise, her CQC abilities with sword and shield aren't as good as her H2H speed feats.

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#15 Posted by Mister_Surreal (10347 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman is pretty much featless when it comes to H2H combat but her durability and skill makes it so that she has the edge. Wonder Woman 55/100.

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#16 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15916 posts) - - Show Bio

@leonardsnart: you asked me to list skill feats, is mastering a weapon not a skill feat?

It’s the amount of soldiers she took out at the same time, armed me surrounding her, shooting at her. She’s deflecting bullets and beating up trained soldiers at the same time. She done this with two sets of weapons. I think that’s a greater feat than fighting three Atlantean soldiers and getting knocked out by one too.

What Wonder Woman done was much harder to accomplish. While Aquaman lost to a random Atlantean Soldier, Wonder Woman held her own against Doomsday and beat Ares. She’s clearly better.

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#17 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: there's too much head cannon in your post

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#18 Edited by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: I thought it was implied that I wanted relevant skill feats to h2h since this is what this thread is about...

Trained soldiers? Those were fodder and showed no skill, the atlantian solider that koed him obviously seemed more powerful than the other ones since he had just finished stomping the other soliders

Holding her own against unskilled opponents has nothing to do with skill, you said the skill gap is clear as day but now you're counting feats against unskilled opponents...

Both have skill feats and Diana defeating a couple more mall cop German soliders doesn't make her skill gap "clear as day" especially since they did equally well against Steppenwolf

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#19 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15916 posts) - - Show Bio

@leonardsnart: so you think they sent untrained soldiers to war? Good to know.

You go inside a warehouse surrounded by armed men and see how long you last. No matter how you sugar coat it, what she done is a great feat period. Better than Arthur’s imo.

And she did perform better against Steppenwolf, she literally stopped fighting him to protect Aquaman. She’s more skilled for sure.

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#20 Edited by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: what skill feats do German soliders have? That's like me implying the atlantian fodder soliders are also skilled cause they wouldn't send unskilled soliders out

Diana beat a couple of more fodder that doesn't make her skill gap clear as day since Aquaman displayed the ability to defeat more powerful fodder

To protect him from those falling blocks? Steppen smacked Diana away then turned his attention to Aquaman and smacked him away and he took Steppens axe using his arm as cover which resulted in him hitting a wall sending blocks falling over him, something wonder woman used a shield to block literally a second before that, so the only reason he needed help from those falling blocks is because he did something Diana didn't show the durability to do and didn't have a shield, I don't see how that's doing better than him since Steppen had even turned his attention to cyborg

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#21 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15916 posts) - - Show Bio

@leonardsnart: I’m implying that the amount of enemies Wonder Woman far exceeds what Aquaman had to deal with. It wasn’t a couple more, it was way more. Aquaman ended up getting knocked out whereas Wonder Woman won her fight.

You’re right about the Steppenwolf part though.

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#22 Edited by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: Aquaman stomped the atlantian soliders, then this one who you can see is meant to be more superior comes and beats him and somehow it's a feat against him? That's clearly a feat for that one solider since we had just seen Aquaman stomp the other ones, I don't know how you can't see this, and Diana got tagged by those mall cop German soldiers, so her performance against them isn't as clean cut since all she needed was to one shot them

And Atlantians>>>>German soliders by the way and that's not even counting the superior one that beat Arthur

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#23 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15916 posts) - - Show Bio

@leonardsnart: and watching Wonder Woman’s performance against Doomsday and Ares do you honestly think that Atlantean would beat Wonder Woman?

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#24 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio
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#25 Edited by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: but I don't see why not since it's only feat is beating Aquaman and Diana and him are equals

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#26 Posted by MarvelandDCfan24 (7365 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana better blunt force durability and stronger on land

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#27 Edited by Ready_4_Madness (15916 posts) - - Show Bio

@leonardsnart: because it shows the two levels they operate. Diana is skilled enough to beat Ares, if she can do that she can beat Aquaman any day of the week. And before you mention God Mode, Diana dominated that fight.

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#28 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio
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#29 Posted by IndomitableRegal (15895 posts) - - Show Bio

This fight is closer than it's made out to be, and Arthur has more (and better) H2H feats than Diana. That said, she's stronger and faster enough to take this.

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#30 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15916 posts) - - Show Bio
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#31 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: Diana was losing so much Ares asked "Is that all you have to offer!?" Then Steve died and Diana displayed an ability she hasn't shown since then beat Ares with his own lightning, I don't see how that's applicable here

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#32 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15916 posts) - - Show Bio

@leonardsnart: trash talk and actions are two different things. Ares has his moments but she dominated him majority of the fight.

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#33 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@ready_4_madness: Diana dealt 0 damage to Ares, was smacked away easily, outmuscled and was binded by metal with his tk, Diana was losing that fight but I still don't get why that's applicable here, that atlantian actually has superior skill feats than Ares since he was able to outskill Aquaman, Ares has no skill feats to speak of for him to be relevant here

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#34 Posted by Ready_4_Madness (15916 posts) - - Show Bio
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#35 Posted by Rajjar (1772 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: there's too much head cannon in your post

What's the headcanon? Diana's bullet timing feats have happened without a sword and shield in her hand? That with the weapons, she can't outpace Steppenwolf, an arrow/missile timer?

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#36 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: you saying her gear slows her down is an assumption, since she was able to bullet time with her shield against German soldiers

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#38 Posted by Rajjar (1772 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: you saying her gear slows her down is an assumption, since she was able to bullet time with her shield against German soldiers

I did not remember this at first. I re-watched the scene - blocking bullets with a shield is not as fast as the JL feat. She even did it at regular speed, which is like BP/Cap level, not the superspeed we saw in JL. She also got tagged in her boots right after. I do see your point, though. My main argument is that her reaction speed suffers big time with that, due to the Steppenwolf fight, because she is able to move her arms much faster whenever they are free from holding something, like the sword and shield. Otherwise, she should have blitzed and decapped Steppenwolf, which is like half the DCEU Diana fans winning strat on this site.

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#39 Posted by LeonardSnart (2803 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: she blocked them with her bracelets and her shield

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#40 Posted by Amendment50 (15428 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana does in fact stomp.

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#41 Posted by Rajjar (1772 posts) - - Show Bio

@rajjar: she blocked them with her bracelets and her shield

Right hand bracelet on the sword arm? I dunno how blocking with the shield arm bracelet, but that's my bad.

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#42 Posted by skywalker95 (4473 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#43 Posted by Aka_aka_aka_ak (2959 posts) - - Show Bio

WW annihilates

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#44 Posted by LJayG (1230 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonderwoman 6/10

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#45 Posted by DiarrheaRegatta (4635 posts) - - Show Bio

Aquaman is stronger, plus he has better showings overall. Diana is faster, but that wouldn't mean that she would win a match without her weapons or equipment.

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#46 Posted by Amcu (16674 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana wrecks on land. She's at least comparably skilled, faster and her stats are better.

She's more durable by a large margin. Having taken explosions that were very powerful and sent her flying hundreds of meters.

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She endured being thrown hard enough to mess up a tank and also took a punch from Ares that sent her flying hundreds of feet into a tank.

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She took hits from Doomsday.

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Her shield may have protected her here but its still very impressive and beyond anything Arthur has done.

Her damage output is better as well. She managed to do this to Steppenwolf.

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I don't see Arthur replicating that.

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#47 Posted by ThEBeStOfTheBeST (11251 posts) - - Show Bio

^^^

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#48 Posted by incursion2 (1935 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana should win comfortably on land

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#49 Edited by CarmineDcMarvel (322 posts) - - Show Bio

WW would win, but Arthur is getting severely underrated here. His fight with Black Manta in Sicily was destroying the entire town, and he was getting hit with Atlantian tech (plasma beams and their steel), which is his “kryptonite”. Yet, he still was able to come out on top with just a few wounds healed by seaweed lol. I believe that it’s not his durability that is lacking, but rather his damage output. His h2h striking feats do not give him enough offensive potential to put down WW. Basically, Arthur isn’t dishing out hits like Ares or Doomsday; but, WW IS dishing out hits greater than Black Manta. Therefore, she should be the clear cut winner here.

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#50 Posted by drago666 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder woman