DCEU Aquaman goes 1 on 5 (MCU)

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#1  Edited By KingOfWakanda

Team MCU:

  • Hawkeye - access to trick arrows
  • Black Widow - standard gear (Widow's bites, electrified staff)
  • Okoye - Vibranium spear
  • Captain America - standard shield
  • Bucky - WS highway gear

Arthur gets his armor and trident.

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Arthur dies, come on now.

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@anthp2000: Ok, I'll give Arthur his armor and trident.

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#4  Edited By Debonairian

Imo he wins with his gear in a tricky fight.

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The only person who might put him down is Okoye due to the Vibranium spear. I could see him deflecting it with water shield though đź‘€

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The only person who might put him down is Okoye due to the Vibranium spear. I could see him deflecting it with water shield though đź‘€

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Explosive arrows > grenade launchers. Hawkeye one-shots.

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@kingofwakanda:

With his gear, he does have a shot. If Natasha's gear is restricted to blunt weapons, then only Okoye and Hawkeye can actually drop him. He can borderline ignore the trio. I think a skill + numbers and the fact that he has to deal with both range and CQ seals it for the team though.

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Vibranium allows team to take it. Strong metals are one of his weaknesses. Bucky, Hawkeye, and Widow can only slow him down but Okoye's spear may go through him. Cap's shield may also do damage since it can damage gold titanium and Ultron Prime (who no sold quinjet bullets). Team would need to cover each other though since no one stands a chance 1v1.

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#11  Edited By ANTHP2000

@supremegeneration said:

Explosive arrows > grenade launchers. Hawkeye one-shots.

Idk what to make of that, everyone calls it an outlier and it is weird if we're being honest, but they made such a big deal out of it - like, they seemed to think it is so impressive the way the scene was structured.

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Team all day...

First off they work well together.

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Second...

Arthurs gear is made of metal....right?

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So start there; lol.

(Bucky also has hand grenades and a second bad ass 8 shot grenade launcher.)..good for some ragdolls from range.

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Widows bites(that stop panther) and Electric Arrows(that stop vision).., would also slow him down from range.

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Now he's fighting Cap (with a shield that can withstand Aquamans best) and Okoye (with a Vibranium spear that will one shot Aquaman)......

This would be a hard CQC fight for him alone, but while Hawkeye and Bucky and Widow harass him from range he loses 10/10.

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He is not defending against Okoye's spear while this is happening.

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He is not defending against Okoye's spear while this iis happening

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#13  Edited By AllStarSuperman

This team is total fodder to Steppenwolf, and Aquaman can at least 1v1 him for a short while and has a weapon capable of cutting armor that WWs sword couldn’t. Aquamans upgraded trident would probably slice through caps shield which we know now isn’t indestructible

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The vibranium spear might be an issue but I think he has it.

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Team in a good fight

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#16  Edited By texasdeathmatch

Phew, the disrespect here...

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Aquaman completely outclasses the team, even if you combined their stats he is still several tiers out of their league.

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I am surprised the team is actually winning the debate . They will give Arthur a hard time , but he is much stronger and durable than all of them and faster ( can’t say ) .

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#20  Edited By death4bunnies

@ready_4_madness:

Good point, his armor should offer additional protection.

....I still think it may knock him off balance...

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Just seems like a lot to deal with while avoiding that spear.

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Explosive arrows > grenade launchers. Hawkeye one-shots.

I have a hard time accepting that given what Aquaman successfully took. Riding the Karathen out of the magma through the ocean floor makes the grenade look like a joke. He has far more showings well above the grenade than he has low showings to confirm the grenade.

The grenade was even bare skin without any damage and Aquaman has armor here.

Not buying it. ;-)

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@supremegeneration said:

Explosive arrows > grenade launchers. Hawkeye one-shots.

Idk what to make of that, everyone calls it an outlier and it is weird if we're being honest, but they made such a big deal out of it - like, they seemed to think it is so impressive the way the scene was structured.

Clearly it's a high feat for the grenade instead of a low feat for Aquaman. ;-)

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@anthp2000: Perhaps this can be explained by Aquaman being stronger underwater than outside of it? Though this was not shown to be the case in JL, Wan might have intended it to be so. This is supported by Aquaman's struggle to lift a beam out of the water. Isn't this also true in comics?

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@bladeoffury:

I do agree that Aquaman is most likely stronger underwater (I'm not familiar with comic Arthur though), but wouldn't someone who gets - briefly - knocked out by a grenade launcher get murdered from a direct punch by Superman? Even with his armor on.

Looking back, his durability feats aren't quite as impressive as I remembered in general, but it's still pretty crazy getting hit by Clark like that. It wasn't a casual tap or anything, it was a legit fist.

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@anthp2000: Right, that’s why I said this isn’t the case in JL (under Snyder/Whedon), but Wan may have intended it to be so (there are at least two instances in his movie suggesting that)

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@death4bunnies: I agree with that last point. MCU team are too skilled not to land a clean hit, eventually.

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@bladeoffury: Oh idk how I just didn't see that period in your post.

Well, wouldn't the directors keep pre established power levels in mind though? The DCEU actually seems to care much more about consistency on that aspect than other universes judging by the outside material we have for BvS. Granted JL messed stuff up so I wouldn't be surprised if you're right.

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@anthp2000: he did no sell landing head first from great height on two occasions too. His blunt force durability is good.

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@anthp2000: Yeah they should try to mirror the previous writer’s intent, but the consistency under each writer should still be greater than across writers

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@bladeoffury: How is Aquaman stronger in water? Comic Aquaman doesn't work that way, James Wan never mentions it when talking about his powers, and Aquaman literally hasn't won a single fight underwater.

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@reitigerstar: He pushed a submarine in the water minutes before being downed by a grenade launcher outside of it. He created giant shockwaves when fighting in water shortly before struggling with a beam outside of it.

If Wan talked about Aquaman’s powers a whole lot, I might agree with you.

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@bladeoffury: I don't think the grenade is enough to discredit the other impacts he took on land. Superman's punch, Black Manta's lasers, that free-fall straight through a building in JL, they make the grenade launcher look pretty silly. And then he was only floored by it, he's not very heavy. He doesn't struggle much with that pillar and that was after being stabbed and blasted a couple times. He even casually pushes off a larger pillar with one arm before that.

There was an interview where he does explain at least why Aquaman was so strong. If being underwater made him much stronger if at all, he would have said so there or at least mentioned it in the movie.

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#34 buildhare  Online

Take away the Trident and Cap could probably replicate or surpass his performance against Ultron by himself, this team (especially with vibranium) just curbs him.

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@reitigerstar: Superman’s punch, yes, it’s contradictory, but it’s less significant than the showings from his solo movie since different writers handled the character. I don’t see why falling through a building is contradictory, especially since he used a parademon as a cushion. Aquaman wasn’t just floored, he was knocked out (he didn’t even twitch his fingers until almost 20 seconds after the impact). Even struggling a little with the pillar puts him on a level far below what he showed underwater. The stabs and blasts didn’t affect his strength too much, as evident by his consistent performance against Manta both before and after the damage was accumulated. When did he push off a larger pillar?

Any link to the interview?

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Takes it with his gear.

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You are talking about Aquaman who tanked Plasma Beam to the face without any armor right ?

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Just wanted to ask.

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@bladeoffury: But the grenade is the only showing that low for him. In both movies he's hit by way worse than that and is much better off. He just gets up and says "ow" with no sign of damage or injury, it felt like it was meant to be a gag rather than a legit showing of his limits. Fair, I don't know how much cushion a Parademon would provide after crashing through a building from that height, but he does jump out of an airplane much higher and lands right on his head laughing, which should be much worse than the grenade. Aquaman didn't really use his strength at all in the fight so that would be due to him being a better fighter than Manta, and while he still does outfight him, his performance does indeed drop after Manta stabs, cuts, and blasts him. He gets visibly sloppier, passes out after, and spends most of the fight trying to catch his breath and get civilians away. His injuries were definitely taking a toll. He pushed off that pillar in Justice League, when rubble falls on him and Wonder Woman.

This has the quote I was thinking of. James also worked very closely with Goeff Johns for the movie, who wrote Aquaman's New 52 comics and of course knows how his powers work.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/07/18/james-wan-talks-aquaman-isnt-superman/

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The only danger is the spear.

Otherwise he stomps.

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@arqe: is the bell tower more durable than that? cause it failed to destroy the actual bell itself

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#42  Edited By Juicers  Online

Arthur does the trident spin technique and anything they throw wouldn't matter.

♬ one leap one shot, 6k tonner would turn them into a splat ♬

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Arthur took multiple blasts from Manta's plasma canons that can bust small cliffs and he only had superficial burns on his skin that he ignored anyway. How will Hawkeye hurt him? Widow is a non factor. The grenade incident was clearly a low showing.

This would be a good fight if the MCU combatants were combined into one character. Arthur would lose that way. One on one, nobody stands a chance except Okoye who could hurt Arthur but then again, Arthur was stabbed by Manta multiple times and he still fought him and won. Arthur rode a Parademon though a high rise building and came out like nothing. He also took a good hit from Superman.

With his armour, trident, exceptional combat skills and the waterbending shield, this team has no chance.

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#44 Bayman007  Online

Aquaman, and it's not close.

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Arthur one-shots five times.

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If Aquaman gets his Trident, its an absolute stomp. Without it, they can keep him busy for a while, but he still wins.

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@reitigerstar: Hmm, Wan was discussing Aquaman's powers in and out of water and this didn't come up, so I probably agree.

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Team. Okoye's spear is vibranium AND shoots tank busting lasers. That with the trick arrows and Cap distracting him in CQC is too much.

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#49  Edited By nn5

Hard to say. Okoye is the danger here.

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#50  Edited By arqe

@chuggachugga170 said:

@arqe: is the bell tower more durable than that? cause it failed to destroy the actual bell itself

Yes, metal is more durable to a blast than a stone formation. You can easily see how the upper side of the tower complety got destroyed and bell didn't explode, it just cracked on multiple locations because of the pressure.

When he first turned that plasma canon into helmet he did put a hole in metal, it all melted away. Then he changed it, because when it first came out from his helmet it was like Heat Beam.

After he modified it again on new helmet it was more like a blast instead of heat beam. It even changed how it looked.

And since he was able to modify Atlantean weapons and tech into his liking, he would probably know how plasma works.

There are lots of different plazma states. Cold, hot, more pressurised, less pressurised etc.