First contest: Which makes better stories
Second Contest: Which Has better Characters
And third: If all the characters would fight, which group would win
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"the truth doesn't believe a lot that D.C. it wins MARVEL because D.C. alone it possesses some famous characters on the other hand in MARVEL almost all they have such an alone incredible fame mentioning to SPIDER-MEN, X-MEN, HULK, GHOST RIDER, **SPAWN** among others MARVEL WINS" />http://www.hatterentertainment.com/images/01.Marvel%20Heroes.jpg"
Spawn was published by Image comics out of disdain for Marvel's publishing desisions and rights of trademark, how can you include him in this list?
"There is not a single Marvel team that can match the JLA pound-for-pound. DC has been writing stories for a smidge longer than Marvel has, and finally their characters are just simply more iconic. I will give Marvel a slight edge in storytelling, but other than that.DC wins.![Alt text](http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/32000/31815/182825-justice-league-of-am_400.jpg)"
I would agree completely, except for the recent story telling fiasco at Marvel. Just my opinion, but 52 trumped Civil War. Looking for better ideas out of the House of Ideas.
Prurience Man says:
"Satyrquaze says:"There is not a single Marvel team that can match the JLA pound-for-pound. DC has been writing stories for a smidge longer than Marvel has, and finally their characters are just simply more iconic. I will give Marvel a slight edge in storytelling, but other than that. DC wins. ![Alt text](http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/32000/31815/182825-justice-league-of-am_400.jpg)"I would agree completely, except for the recent story telling fiasco at Marvel. Just my opinion, but 52 trumped Civil War. Looking for better ideas out of the House of Ideas."
Idunno, I really liked Annihilation.
the two editorials are excellent but to my concept MARVEL is better than D.C.
AND IF WE CARRIED OUT A TEST FACING THEIR CHARACTERS WE WILL REALIZE THAT MARVEL WOULD WIN
CLEAR THIS SOME CHARACTERS OF D.C. THEY WOULD WIN SOME DE MARVEL BUT MAKING REFERENCE TO THE FINAL BATTLE THE SERIOUS VICTORY DE MARVEL THE CA OF THE IDEAS
Marvel is better than DC completely. Marvel's stories are incredible and suspensful and action packed. The heroes are more known. (IE Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic 4, Captain America) And DC just has really Superman, Wonderwoman, Batman, and the Flash. That's it. As far as an ultimate battle, All I have to say for Marvel is... The Beyonder and Onslaught.
Soldier of Death says:
"Marvel is better than DC completely. Marvel's stories are incredible and suspensful and action packed. The heroes are more known. (IE Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic 4, Captain America) And DC just has really Superman, Wonderwoman, Batman, and the Flash. That's it. As far as an ultimate battle, All I have to say for Marvel is... The Beyonder and Onslaught. "
your saying marvel cahracters are more well known than Batman or Superman, the worlds two best known comic characters of all time.
For the most part marvel has better story writing. I think this is also in part because thier main characters aren't as strong as DC' main charcters, so Marvel has to have more imagination to write a good story.
How do you define better characters? I do by which are more interesting. Again marvel wins this, you have more interesting characters due to the fact that they are well written, also most marvel charcters havn't aged the same as DC (somewhat because they are't as old, but i don't see them aging) What I mean by this is there have been two supermen i think, three flashes, etc. to explain continuity better.
Now, when it comes to a battle fought by main characters only, DC wins. But one fought by All character Marvel might win with characters like Galactus, Abyss etc.
Well Iron Apollo, I see your point about the main character battle, but now here's the major issue. It depends on which character versions we're talkin here. If you have guys like Cosmic Spider-Man, and Doctor Doom when he obsorbed The Beyonder's power, victory is sure for Marvel. It's also possible that villains can be considered main characters (I.E. Venom, Galactus, Carnage, Thanos, Apocolypse, Loki etc.) But if you wanna go with orginals, its kinda close because the orginal Superman is no stronger than the Mighty Thor, and definitly not stronger than Odin
I personally like Marvel's stories and characters a lot more than DC. As for who wins, its a toss up because both have very high level god like beings. I don't know any that DC has that can take the Living Tribunal or his master the One-Above-All, but that doesn't mean they don't have any.
I think the stories tend to go back and forth. Right now it's leaning a little in favor of DC but over the course of history I'd say Marvel.
Marvel has the better characters because they are more interested in characterization than DC is. They make more flawed, believable characters that are much easier to write for. Hence them winning the all-time mark IMO for stories.
As for who would win, its easy to say DC because everyone in DC is powered up. Flash isn't just fast but he's faster than the speed of light and then can use his speed powers to steal speed from other people (just to use one example). But I think the two companies look at power differently. Marvel's true powerhouses are telepath/telekinetics and reality warpers. When written to his best, Thor can use Mjolnir to absorb any energy fired at him, use it's ability to travel faster than light to counter anyone's speed blitz, put an impenetrable field around himself until he determines how to defeat his enemy or simply teleport them away to end the fight. Superman was mind controlled by Maxwell Lord, Professor X could easily turn him against the DC characters and still have both Phoenixes to hold off the Martian Manhunter, who doesn't come across as much of a psionic heavyweight in most of his showings. Then imagine X-Man, Molecule Man, Scarlet Witch, Franklin Richards, etc. all using their reality warping powers... I don't know but I'm leaning towards Marvel in this category too.
I left part of what I meant to say out. Because DC is so invested in Superman being the ultimate hero they do not seem to have as many reality warpers, on as high a level of power, as Marvel does. They have Mr. Mxylplik (however you spell that) and Firestorm, but Firestorm is really weak compared to Mr. M and he seems to be the only one on Marvel's level. Unless you count Zatanna. But Reality warpers seem to trump everyone else so I would bet on Marvel if you have all of the characters fight.
I was excluding the Cosmic Pantheon of characters (One Above All, Presence, Living Tribunal, Spectre) because I figure they would all match up fairly evenly.
Eternal Chaos says:
"Girth, you were doing so well until you said DC can win in a fight, I had such high hopes for you. All I have to say for you is this... One above all, Living Tribunal, Galactus, The Beyonder. Game"
There are no cosmic entities at DC. No Spectre, no Presence (the DC version of the One Above All essentially the Spectre and Zauriel's boss), no Guardians, no Ion, no Parallax....
Of course a fight between infinitely powerful beings is more philosphical I'd think.
Eternal Chaos says:
"Well did you consider the Molecule Man? He has the power to take a part organic matter and inorganic matter, and living creatures are organic matter. So he can take apart DC"
and i consider Ion or Parallax who could go back to the beginning of the marvel universe and wipe it out...
also there is doomsday who could take on pretty much everyone from the marvel universe, if he got beaten he would come back impervious to that kind of damage and beat them then.
"Flash can ruin the majority of Marvel's non-cosmics on his own. No one on Marvel Earth has the reaction time to notice him, let alone set up any kind of defense. "
nice, didn't think about that...
or throw in any random Green Lantern and see how long it takes the X-men to be turned into pools of mush lol
"we've had this discussion before and it was never really solved...personally i put Phoenix at pull power around the same power level as Ion at his height... ask buckshot for a impartial view on this one, but i'd say Ion could defeat Dark Phoenix"
"Pull power?" Get some sleep, we need you operating at 100%.
I may be impartial, but I don't have more than a basic knowledge on Dark Phoenix (gasp, something I don't know?!?). Methos (you changed your name but it hasn't sunk in yet) made a thread about Phoenix vs Ion and they're pretty much equal. Going off that, Dark Phoenix wouldn't be much of a threat. Just send Ion plus someone else of great power (doesn't have to be on Ion's level, just to buy Ion time to do something wacky) to tip the battle in his favor and Dark Phoenix can be taken down. I suppose the same can be said for Phoenix, but does Phoenix have the galactic police backing her? I still don't know about Phoenix vs Ion, but against all of DC, she's powerful but not unstoppable.
When using abstracts and god-beings then they're evenly matched because at the very top of both companies/universes (where the only fight that matters is taking place), Presence and TOAA are equal. If you do cosmics and below, I think DC wins. The GL Corps alone could wreck most of Marvel's cosmics. (I can't think of cosmics they couldn't take, but I figure there has to be someone, that's why I said "most".) If you go down to Earth, it only gets better for DC. What I said about Flash is true. On his own, he could probably take out half of Marvel's Earth-based heroes (the fact that most of them will be together in New York just makes it easier) before the other half even knew what was going on. Then you add in Superman, MM, WW, the rest of the JLA and it's very one-sided, and that's just one team. Of course this is with no kind of preparation (which is absolutely necessary if Marvel hopes to survive Flash's first assault). I'm not saying Marvel doesn't have the firepower to match DC, but by the time they get to use it, it will be too late for most of them.
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