DC mid-weights vs Marvel mid-weights

Team DC

Citizen Steel (Nathaniel Heywood)

Damage (Grant Emerson)

Aquaman

Superboy (Connor Kent)

VS

Team Marvel

Thing

Colossus

Wonder Man

American Eagle

Rules

• 616 Marvel
• Post-crisis DC
• In character
• No prep
• No knowledge
• Win: death or KO
• Fight takes place in a colosseum

Which team of bricks takes this?

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TP goes brrr

Superboys speed MIGHT solo, but Wonder Man could take Connor down.

Team DC

Aquaman? Good luck getting past half of these guys with that. Not even sure he'd do that.

OT: Marvel team. Thing and Wonder Man are just too potent for guys on the other side. Steel and Superboy would be able to brawl with them but not for very long. Even Eagle, the weakest here by far is pretty beefy stat wise.

I'm gonna see DC due to Superboy.

Superboy? I wouldn't say he's any better than Thing or Wonder Man, quite frankly.

@professorrespect: that's fair I suppose, Thing is a beast in particular, I just feel speed will make a different. Can Wonderman make up for that? Or does he need to?

I mean Superboy can bullrush but Thing has tagged people before when they've tried to do that multiple times over. Wonder Man has the durability advantage and only really needs to get hands on him to get good shots in.

@professorrespect: ok

Damage might be a problem to Wonder Man since his main ability is to absorb all kinds of energy (which includes kinetic energy) and use it to enhance himself,because his body works like a biochemical reactor.

Team DC due to Aquaman's Telepathy and Damage's energy absorption

@matchesmalone28: I don't see him being able to absorb Wonder Man's Ionic Energy considering how unstable it is. You can't just bottle it up etc. Plus, if I'm aware, Metallo was still smacking him around.

It seems you didn't understand or you seem to be ignoring it, because you have little knowledge about the character. it doesn't matter if the energy is stable or not, he's still able to absorb and feed on the energy... During Zero Hour event Grant was able to absorb Captain Atom,The Ray,Donna Troy's energy blast and Superman's heat vision at same time.

So you're underestimating Grant because it was knocked out by one of the strongest versions of Metallo,while wasn't even powered.

@professorrespect: IRRC after recover from a mental breakdown WonderMan turned into a pacifist refusing to resort to violence and isnce this battle is in character,that would be a problem.

@matchesmalone28 said:

Marvel team, thing and WM seem immediately more impressive than anyone on the DC side

What is a high end for Ben Grimm?

Because this version of Metallo was empowered and improved by Neron

I read a few Marvel comics....so this is the last thing I remember. Sorry.

Yet Madade Masque and Kang figure out a way to stop him through technology capable of manipulating its ionic form. Then, it is not impossible. Of course, every character has its limits, but there is no form of energy, which he has not been able to absorb until then.

Blue Superman might be weak in terms of physical strength, but by no means is he weak in raw power and thatSuperman one-shot Metallo by using alight construct.

Actually Metallo was able to assimilate vast volumes of metals to increase its mass and size, so it could increase its druability... I remember that he was given a new, more durable and stronger body (by Cerberus) to fight Superman.

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If someone is capabel to build technology capable to manipulate ionic energy,so someone whose main power is to absorb and manipulate energy ''a nature skill'' would be also capable to do the same.

ok

Madame Masque isn't even near the level of Reed or Kang but was still able to do something similar and yet Mephisto couldn't do the same,what could be understood as WIS. So I reiterate if someone through technology can do this with Simon, someone with natural ability could also do....

Who is the American Eagle? I don't remember him

He has few feats but I did a little research on it,but I think it can be easily dispatched by Superboy

I think so as well, but I think it probably won't happen that way as the bigger bricks will have their eyes on him.

Wonder man is literally MADE out of energy, I don’t get how they’re going to take him down, and he’s fought with the hulk and vision before(hulk stomped him and I don’t remember the vision fight just remember hearing about it so if I’m wrong tell me) but hulk also hits a lot harder than superboy. Citizen steel is just a guy who can turn his skin into metal, except he’s not nearly as strong as colossus. Both the thing and colossus have fought some of marvel’s heaviest hitters, this fight isn’t going in DC’s favor.

despite not being at the same strength level as most of the Marvel Team,Superboy can still speedblitz most of them or use his powers in more creative ways to knocked out some of them (American Eagle and Colossus) ,while Aquaman use his telepathy and Citizen Steel and Damage deal with the others. Although there would be immense difficulty to defeat Wonder Man in Ionic Form...

I believe that in this form he's immune to telepathy right?

Wonder Man wasn't trying in that instance, and it was Immortal Hulk.

Wrong. Citizen Steel is entirely made of organic metal (muscle,Skin,Hair,Bones) and although he isn't as strong as Colossus (Citizen have few strength feats),he is as durable as Colossus.

Also his suit is also made of metal but the main function of the suit is not for protection, but to reduce its strength and mobility....the suit has a tensile strength of 28.0000 pounds per square inch

He used at least Six times already....against KordaxDespero,a White Martian,Swamp Thing,Tiamat and Doctior Polaris

Notice how half of those are against specific foes? Like a White Martian with TP, Despero has TP as well, Swamp Thing has it as well, etc etc. Aquaman isn't the type to really do so, and only six instances with a major character with at least 20+ years of showings isn't enough to say it's consistent.

Aquaman can win this solo via TP. Other than that, marvel.

@professorrespect: Wonder man doesn't really have any telepathy resistance feats IIRC.

Idk who wins here but Aquaman is not solo'ing with TP. I'ts not even in character for him to use it in a random encounter.

Damage can potentially solo at full potential. Implied heavily that he has the powers of every person he shares DNA with.

@ecstaticgrace: Sure, but he never uses it against his usual foes like Black Manta, Ocean Master etc. Those two have nothing to suggest that they have some sort of TP resistance unless I'm missing something here.

It's not really a big high end. Ben gets his ass kicked for the whole bout by Hulk, gets gravely injured but keeps on going regardless, eventually scoring a big strike to take the win at the cost of his arm, and was unconscious for a whole week.

If that's a high end, then you'd probably think the Champion of the Universe bout, a being that fodderized guys like Wonder Man and such easily, having his ribs busted by Thing and him surviving a onslaught for multiple rounds over, is one as well, despite it being a defining moment for him.

@ecstaticgrace

That doesn’t sound more like it’s an issue of plot more than anything to you? Like Superman not using his super speed to dismantle a Lex robot or his war suit and rather going pages with it and letting it hit him with red sun rays.

Bad example. Why would Superman use his superspeed on some fodder Lex Robot? Plus, I believe that it was stated once that Superman holds back his speed once.

I get your point tho, but I think it can be explained by Aquaman being someone who has his a pride and a reputation. For example, in Arthur's 2016 series he didn't want to call the Justice League to help him fight the Shaggy Man and wanted to do it on his own. It could be that he sees his TP as a "last resort", and that he only uses it at the start of an encounter when the situation asks for TP.