DC high-tiers vs Marvel high-tiers (7 vs 7)

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DC: Captain Atom, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Shazam, Hal Jordan, John Stewart.

Marvel: Silver Surfer, Hulk, Thor, Hyperion, Gladiator, Blue Marvel, Nova Prime.

Morals off.

Win by death, KO, incap.

Base versions of all characters.

NO PIS/Outliers

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Team DC

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@geekryan said:

Team DC

Who do you think is the MVP? And who are the weak-links?

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Surfer/Prime/Hulk and Thor are a lot more valuable than Manhunter/Jordan. Adam might be a problem with WW3 mindset but he isn't turning the scales. Atom is pretty much the definition of a jobber, so he'll not be very useful here.

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@thedevil98: Wonder Woman is definitely the weak link. MMH is the MVP

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Surfer blitz

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Morals off means blitz, DC should curbstomp

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Morals off means blitz, DC should curbstomp

Virtually no one here blitzes

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DC without much trouble.

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@whathappened said:

Morals off means blitz, DC should curbstomp

Virtually no one here blitzes

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DC blitz stomp in a microsecond, stop the cap

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#13  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@whathappened: So the first/second are random blitzes on no-names: considering you didn't cite anything I can't really make out if this is even worth mentioning.

The third is infamous for being out of context: that's her blitzing a confused Red Tornado converted Amazo unit that didn't even know what was going on at the time, literally all of the JL were doing the same at the time including the ones with next to no speed.

Fourth is....another no name, and it's not even a blitz given it's just Hal sprouting multiple arms

Fifth just has Sups just stand around and not bother fighting the same technique, which is again not a blitz

So overall

No impressive blitzes

2 actual blitzes on people who I assume don't have good speed feats

Nothing else

Bit weak tbh. Doesn't really make any argument that they win, let alone "blitz" when none of the characters here do such a thing.

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Gladiator and Blue Marvel are weak link, tbh.

either way, captain atom can fight one on one against silver surfer for some time.

i'm going with dc in close one.

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#17  Edited By icec0ld

@lucifer10:

Gladiator, MMH, and the lanterns are the heaviest hitters. The base lanterns are more powerful than most the base characters on either side save for maybe MMH, atom, Adam and gladiator.

Why do you have two lanterns anyway? Orion, Superman, Dr Fate, Etrigan, Despero? Why two lanterns?

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Wouldn't blue marvel amp atom by being near him?

Also nova prime is not base nova. Take him out or use the most powerful version of everyone else.

Witch Marked WW

White Lantern Hal

Ion john Stewart

God of Gods Shazam

Fernus Martian Manhunter

WW3 Adam

Full potential Atom

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@icec0ld said:

@lucifer10:

Gladiator, MMH, and the lanterns are the heaviest hitters. The base lanterns are more powerful than most the base characters on either side save for maybe MMH, atom, Adam and gladiator.

Why do you have two lanterns anyway? Orion, Superman, Dr Fate, Etrigan, Despero? Why two lanterns?

Nah

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What do you mean nah? The only thing stopping gladiator from manhandling everyone he meets in marvel is that ridiculous confidence b.s.

Under normal conditions hea battered both surfer and Hyperion and would mop the floor with Thor. He's faster than almost his entire teams, can fight very well and is physically superman's equal in every way.

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Gladiator, Surfer and Blue Marvel would be the biggest issues to deal with here on marvel side.

Is wonder woman allowed to drop her gauntlets? She is ten times stronger without her gauntlets. Also does she have her sword and lasso? She can body a few on the marvel side herself but the real MVPs here.

HAL and John both together are going to wreak havok. And they are backed up by Martian Manhunter.

Team DC takes this with full pride Gladiator the last on the marvel side standing.

Captain Atom could literally go inside either HAL or Johns ring and boost them to stupid godly levels.

No pis hulk can't do much to anyone. He isn't laying a hand on anyone here and would literally get tossed away or atomized.

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@icec0ld said:

@professorrespect:

What do you mean nah? The only thing stopping gladiator from manhandling everyone he meets in marvel is that ridiculous confidence b.s.

Under normal conditions hea battered both surfer and Hyperion and would mop the floor with Thor. He's faster than almost his entire teams, can fight very well and is physically superman's equal in every way.

Nah Glad is too inconsistent and weak

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#26  Edited By kuuzo
@thedevil98 said:

Base versions of all characters.

NO PIS/Outliers

Which versions for team DC? Pre-Crisis? Post-Crisis? New 52? All of them?

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@kuuzo said:
@thedevil98 said:

Base versions of all characters.

NO PIS/Outliers

Which versions for team DC? Pre-Crisis? Post-Crisis? New 52? All of them?

Not pre-crisis. Let's say composite versions of Post-Crisis, N-52 and Rebirth.

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@kuuzo said:
@thedevil98 said:

Base versions of all characters.

NO PIS/Outliers

Which versions for team DC? Pre-Crisis? Post-Crisis? New 52? All of them?

Not pre-crisis. Let's say composite versions of Post-Crisis, N-52 and Rebirth.

Good to know, it would have been unbalanced if Pre-Crisis feats were allowed.

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DC.

The outcome would have been the same without Black Adam and Shazam.

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@kuuzo said:
@thedevil98 said:
@kuuzo said:
@thedevil98 said:

Base versions of all characters.

NO PIS/Outliers

Which versions for team DC? Pre-Crisis? Post-Crisis? New 52? All of them?

Not pre-crisis. Let's say composite versions of Post-Crisis, N-52 and Rebirth.

Good to know, it would have been unbalanced if Pre-Crisis feats were allowed.

Pre Crisis would've made this easier given the amount of anti-feats and sheer inconsistency lol

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@professorrespect:

@kuuzo said:
@thedevil98 said:
@kuuzo said:
@thedevil98 said:

Base versions of all characters.

NO PIS/Outliers

Which versions for team DC? Pre-Crisis? Post-Crisis? New 52? All of them?

Not pre-crisis. Let's say composite versions of Post-Crisis, N-52 and Rebirth.

Good to know, it would have been unbalanced if Pre-Crisis feats were allowed.

Pre Crisis would've made this easier given the amount of anti-feats and sheer inconsistency lol

Proof of an argument from ignorance.

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@kuuzo: Mate I've been reading Pre Crisis for years now it's immensely inconsistent lol

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#33  Edited By kuuzo

@professorrespect:

You may have read, for exemple, some Pre-Crisis Superman comics, which remains to be seen in this thread, but that alone doesn't define the entire Pre-Crisis Era. Not all Pre-Crisis characters were written in the same way as Pre-Crisis Superman.

Get your facts straight first.

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#34  Edited By ProfessorRespect
@kuuzo said:

@professorrespect:

You may have read, for exemple, some Pre-Crisis Superman comics, which remains to be seen in this thread, but that alone doesn't define the entire Pre-Crisis Era. Not all Pre-Crisis characters were written in the same way as Pre-Crisis Superman.

Bruh I read Green Lantern, JLA, Aquaman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman etc. I was reading them when you were still lurking and I'm still reading them right now, even the booty stories that no one touches for E-tier character feats. You know Sups? Cool, but everyone is as inconsistent as he is in their own stories lol.

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I'd say DC. Could be wrong.

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#36  Edited By kuuzo

@professorrespect:

From lunch to dinner, I take you when it comes to Pre-Crisis related stuff, don't try.

Giving me a link does not prove anything, especially when all excerpts of scans are easily accessible through the internet. You'll have to do better, perhaps finishing your reading when I already did it years ago.

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#37  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@kuuzo: Bruh none of these "excerpts" I linked are available "though the internet" I was the one who sourced them first and put the scans together lol. This is some rough stuff, I gotta say

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#38  Edited By kuuzo

@professorrespect:

Like I've already said, it remains to be seen whether all your claims are true in this thread.

But I do know for a fact that all Pre-Crisis characters were not "inconsistent" as you are trying to spread this misconception.

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#39  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@kuuzo: Which Pre Crisis character here consistent

Adam is the only one you can really even argue and that's only because he appeared in like two stories and even he has a anti feat in COIE

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#40  Edited By kuuzo

@professorrespect:

Let's see how much you know about Pre-Crisis as you claim.

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Brave-and-the-Bold-1955/Issue-30?id=31126

A Pre-Crisis Green Lantern ring was literally a "Deus ex machina," allowing Hal Jordan to overcome and accomplish ridiculous feats, such as leaving the Pre-Crisis JLA powerless until Hal Jordan reversed the effect when he regained control of his own ring. And that's just one example from memory.

Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan does not belong as "an inconsistent Pre-Crisis character" that you made up, unless you consider him being "inconsistent" because of the that he could not affect yellow stuff at the time.

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#41  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@kuuzo: Bruh Green Lantern was omega inconsistent lol, you got him doing that and then struggling solo with Shark whom late Sliver Age Sups handled and then losing to Faust-induced Spider-Man construct, then he got wrecked by Spaceman-X while Manhunter and Sups were just fine

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#42  Edited By kuuzo

@professorrespect:

"LOL", indeed.

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Green-Lantern-1960/Issue-24?id=28226

Hal Jordan always found a way to come out on top in his encounters with Shark (Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan was actually way smarter than in Post-Crisis), even when Shark had a clear advantage over Hal Jordan because he could not affect yellow stuff in Pre-Crisis' continuity.

Like I've said before:

Get your facts straight first.

Don't waste anyone time by braging about something you still haven't match the level of knowledge you're claming yet. Finish reading comics, you still have +60 years of comics to catch up.

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#43  Edited By kuuzo

Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan would have solo this whole Marvel team, luckily for the Marvel team that neither he nor Pre-Crisis feats can be used.

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#44  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@kuuzo: Yeah but they still brawled for multiple issues thoughout Hal's history lol if you recall

Struggling with that despite holding all of the JLA on top of the Faust-Spider-Man construct stuff and being lesser than Sups and Manhunter against Spaceman-X construct says too much about his sheer inconsistencies

Nice that your post doesn't cover any of that though

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#45  Edited By kuuzo

@professorrespect:

Yeah but they still brawled for multiple issues thoughout Hal's history lol if you recall

Find one issue in Pre-Crisis' continuity where Hal Jordan did not overcome Shark.

Struggling with that

'Struggling' when Pre-Crisis Green Lantern's ring weakness was involved in the story, make sense.

despite holding all of the JLA

Claims = / = Facts.

on top of the Faust-Spider-Man construct stuff

Claims = / = Facts.

and being lesser than Sups and Manhunter

How does that even prove that a character is inconsistent just because he is less powerful than another character? Try to make sense.

against Spaceman-X construct says too much about his sheer inconsistencies

Claims = / = Facts.

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#46  Edited By kuuzo

@professorrespect:

Nice that your post doesn't cover any of that though

Rather nice that your post is just an bunch of claims and not making sense at all on how a character is inconsistent just because one is less powerful than another character.

Once again, read comics.

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#47  Edited By ProfessorRespect

@kuuzo: How is it claims when they've all been referenced above though as per the link/Shark not just using the weakness to his own advantage, but his TP and whatnot given his later stories where he spends issues trying to escape constructs

You say a lot but you don't really seem to have a idea about the references I'm discussing etc, you show like one instance and think that defines consistency lol

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#48  Edited By kuuzo

Watching the ufc fight.

BRB to solo this thread with facts once I finish.

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#49  Edited By kuuzo

@professorrespect:

How is it claims when they've all been referenced above though as per the link/Shark

You don't have mention any reference for all of your claims, still making things up.

but his TP and whatnot given his later stories where he spends issues trying to escape constructs

Shark using Yellox substances agaisnt Pre-Crisis Hal Jordan did not happen once.

You've been able to do some research on Shark through the internet like for the respect threads, Mr. self-claimed "Respect". Now, provide the evidence of Hal Jordan not overcoming Shark in one issue, as I've requested.

You say a lot

Say the one making claims.

a lot but you don't really seem to have a idea about the references

Just because you are listing a bunch of random stuff does not make you right. Speak more clearly about what you are referring to and provide the evidence for all your claims.

I'm discussing etc, you show like one instance and think that defines consistency lol

Well, if you really did read Pre-Crisis comics books, there is not an single instance where Shark won agaisnt Hal Jordan, expect the ones existing in your headcanon.

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@kuuzo: Shark got his TP in for multiple issues against Lantern tho, you act like him not winning is somehow evidence of him not doing anything which is booty

Reference for claims above is here, gotta look names up as the case before etc