DC Gods vs Marvel Demons

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#51 Posted by lordraiden (9666 posts) - - Show Bio
@Thor's hammmer said:
@demifiend said:


                    spectre solos. 

                   

               
 how do you figure that one?
Don't go there, is the only advice I can give you!!
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#52 Posted by supermandefender (2170 posts) - - Show Bio
@demifiend: @demifiend said:
spectre solos. 
Get out of here!! cough cough... alert! maver fanboy ...cough cough.  
 
 
 lmao so funny :)  I enjoyed it. 
 
@Thor's hammmer
Spectre here killed Shaazam. This was without permission. Spectre is a angel in the DCU....he cant be be killed. The only Demon I dunno about in the Marvel U here is Satan....his abilities are a unknown but sense Wolverine said even Satan can bleed...his feats must be pretty low in comparing to Lucifer of the DCU. 
 
Spectre with permission to take out these demons would be a massive stomp on all of them but without permission....Spectre would be a annoying never dying being hunting them. Sooner or later they will be defeated every single one. Not one Demon in that list that ive seen can compare up to the Spectre......they would give him 1 hell of a right but they could not defeat him. Like I said the only one in question to me is Satan...i dunno his powerlevels.  Ill lay it out for you. 
 
  • Chthon - In his dimension he has a chance to fight Spectre off but he cant kill the Spectre.  Spectre would eventually kill him.
  • Shuma-Gorath - tough fight for Spectre but in the end Spectre would beat him.
  • Mephisto- Spectre wins...mephisto holds his own for a while keeping him away. But even Mephisto would fall to the Spectre in his own realm just like Shaazam fell to Spectre in his.
  • Dormammu - Very tough fight and would be quite interesting but just like Mephisto it would only be a matter of time and seeing that Spectre is above Galactus and Dormammu is not he loses.
  • Set- Spectre would win......I can see set being capable of killing the Spectre.
  • Lucifer- Yeah not much a problem for Spectre......the DCU Lucifer slaughters Spectre tho horriblly.
  • Satan- Unknown or I dont know.
  • Blackheart- Spectre massive stomp
Since Spectre cannot be killed by any of them and his power rivals and can surpass Shuma-Gorath Id say the rest of the demons would lose also. And sense they are all demons I can see the spectre getting permission from Presence. In that case they all lose at the sametime. 
 
Now comparing everybody 
Spectre vs Chton
PC Darkseid vs Shuma-Gorath 
Highfather vs Mephisto- tough one....in mephistos realm mephisto with help from the source highfather. on common ground......draw.  
Nabu the wise vs Dormammu - very tough choice. And a good fight imo....one that should be on comicvine!
Phantom stranger vs Set
Lord Marvel vs Lucifer (marvel)
Zeus vs Satan - I have no idea!!! I dont know much about Satan here he is suppose to be DCU counter part to Lucifer I imagin he is pretty tough. 
Ares vs Blackheart- tough. 
 
So as u see alot of the demons are just in trouble here and the remaining ones wont beat Spectre or Nabu the wise. The others they could tho.  but would still be tough.
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#53 Posted by Cosmic_Falcon (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel Team, most of the DC Team consist of skyfathers while Marvel has several abstract level players. 

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#54 Posted by TheUltimateSurvivor (848 posts) - - Show Bio
Marvel Demons. Although Spectre would give them one hell of a fight.
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#55 Posted by supermandefender (2170 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cosmic_Falcon: @TheUltimateSurvivor:       Spectre, Nabu the wise, and Phantom Stranger are above Skyfather levels. Lord Marvel, Zeus, Ares, Highfather are skyfather levels. Mephisto is not higher than a skyfather level he is a skyfather level.....most of your demons are skyfather levels also. Your most powerful demons are Shuma Gorath, Dormammu which is not much higher than mephisto and Chthon. The rest are pretty much skyfathers. Shuma Gorath is pretty much the real issue that i see.
 
And i dunno satans powers or much about him so i wont say anything about him but assuming he is not much higher than the rest here win goes to team DC.
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#56 Posted by dcsuperfan1990 (7 posts) - - Show Bio

hard to say i leave this one alone.

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#57 Posted by demifiend (3761 posts) - - Show Bio
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@Cosmic_Falcon: @TheUltimateSurvivor:       Spectre, Nabu the wise, and Phantom Stranger are above Skyfather levels. Lord Marvel, Zeus, Ares, Highfather are skyfather levels. Mephisto is not higher than a skyfather level he is a skyfather level.....most of your demons are skyfather levels also. Your most powerful demons are Shuma Gorath, Dormammu which is not much higher than mephisto and Chthon. The rest are pretty much skyfathers. Shuma Gorath is pretty much the real issue that i see.  And i dunno satans powers or much about him so i wont say anything about him but assuming he is not much higher than the rest here win goes to team DC.
agree, the only problem here is shuma, but eventually spectre can beat him too.
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#58 Posted by lordraiden (9666 posts) - - Show Bio

MD ftw

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#59 Edited by Cypher's Gambit (2314 posts) - - Show Bio

You have the power of Shuma, the range of Chthon, the smarts of Dormammu, and the cunning of Satan and Mephisto. These guys are all stronger than Mxy, and Mxy can beat Spectre.

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#60 Posted by andre54 (341 posts) - - Show Bio

this is full of deus ex machinas. i'm gonna go with dc though. spectre took over the dc hell and that has to be somewhat comparable to the marvel one. pretty sure marvel is a lot more powerful but that's still a pretty damn impressive feat.

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#61 Edited by Cypher's Gambit (2314 posts) - - Show Bio
@demifiend said:

@supermandefender said:

@Cosmic_Falcon: @TheUltimateSurvivor:       Spectre, Nabu the wise, and Phantom Stranger are above Skyfather levels. Lord Marvel, Zeus, Ares, Highfather are skyfather levels. Mephisto is not higher than a skyfather level he is a skyfather level.....most of your demons are skyfather levels also. Your most powerful demons are Shuma Gorath, Dormammu which is not much higher than mephisto and Chthon. The rest are pretty much skyfathers. Shuma Gorath is pretty much the real issue that i see.  And i dunno satans powers or much about him so i wont say anything about him but assuming he is not much higher than the rest here win goes to team DC.
agree, the only problem here is shuma, but eventually spectre can beat him too.
By sacrificing his life maybe, and that would give the rest of the Demons to handle the rest of Team 1.
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#62 Posted by demifiend (3761 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cypher's Gambit said:
You have the power of Shuma, the range of Chthon, the smarts of Dormammu, and the cunning of Satan and Mephisto. These guys are all stronger than Mxy, and Mxy can beat Spectre.
NO! 
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#63 Posted by supermandefender (2170 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cypher's Gambit: How can Chthon or Dormammu defeat mxy? Dormammu barely manages to beat Mephisto in the realm of evil demons and Mephisto was beaten by Silver Surfer. At best most the demons here at at skyfather levels. Spectre and Nabu the wise are above skyfather levels. Easily. Oh and Mxy cant beat Spectre. Mxy can piss him off but Mxy cant beat him. If Spectre wanted to kill Mxy ever...Mxy would be dead.
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#64 Posted by Lance Bastro (5167 posts) - - Show Bio
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@Cypher's Gambit: How can Chthon or Dormammu defeat mxy? Dormammu barely manages to beat Mephisto in the realm of evil demons and Mephisto was beaten by Silver Surfer. At best most the demons here at at skyfather levels. Spectre and Nabu the wise are above skyfather levels. Easily. Oh and Mxy cant beat Spectre. Mxy can piss him off but Mxy cant beat him. If Spectre wanted to kill Mxy ever...Mxy would be dead.
the thing is, is that these guy can easily get amped above highfather or more depending on the situation. dormammu has a personal set power level, but he can get as powerful as eternity through spells and events which he can manipulate. also dormammu unlike the rest of the other demons here invokes the principalities, so if dormammu invokes cyttorak or raggadorr for power, he would be a serious threat here.
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#65 Posted by supermandefender (2170 posts) - - Show Bio
@demifiend: Dontcha see how much we agree.....*breathes heavy* must be fate. lol xoxo wink wink :)
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#66 Posted by Lance Bastro (5167 posts) - - Show Bio
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@demifiend: Dontcha see how much we agree.....*breathes heavy* must be fate. lol xoxo wink wink :)
LOL 
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#67 Posted by AssertingValor (8191 posts) - - Show Bio

Demon stomp,......................
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#68 Posted by supermandefender (2170 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Bastro:  I think your under estimating Spectre and Nabu the wise. Nabu the wise is Omnisicent and Omnipresence at his will. He can knows of all things and exist everywhere.Including that Nabu the Wise is also immortal the only thing he pretty much lacks is omnipotence. And the fact that he has to access being Omnipresence or Omniscient. Pretty much against all the demons here Nabu the wise can know everything there is to know about them at will and trap them with a serious of magical spells. Nabu the wise is from above classic strange and could send Dormammu back tot he Dark dimension and close off all portals with a few magical chants or a couple magical items. 
The only thing that helps Dormammu is that he is not omnipotent which is a big factor here and the fact he has to will his other powers first. There are several ways for Nabu the wise to defeat several of these demons. Nabu the wise fought against the Spectre 1260BCE. Nabu the wise would later be Doctor Fate or he is the source of Doctor Fate and his powers. 
Nabu the wise was killed by the Spectre. Little history lesson. But these guys are major heavy hitters and know very powerful magics. Magics that are above the Lords of Order and Lords of Chaos. Your getting into forces way higher than skyfather level here. 
 Also Spectre is Gods spirt of Vengeance. Theres no way any of these demons can defeat the Spectre. Here read this this a actual description of the orgins of the DCU Spectre can never die. 

In the beginning, there was the Presence, the One Above All.

Such was the Presence's nature that His aspects had names and identities of their own. At His direction, certain of these aspects were charged with certain functions and duties. Among them were His Wrath, called Eclipso, His Mercy, called the Radiant, and His Vengeance, called the Spectre.

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#69 Posted by joshuagamer (759 posts) - - Show Bio

The Spectre is the manifestation of God's wrath, and DC/Marvel have an unwritten rule that Judeo-Christian Gods reign over other gods (e.g. Thor). The Marvel demons, which are inferior to the Dc/ Marvel gods, would lose to this judeo-christian manifestation of God.
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#70 Posted by lordraiden (9666 posts) - - Show Bio
@joshuagamer said:
The Spectre is the manifestation of God's wrath, and DC/Marvel have an unwritten rule that Judeo-Christian Gods reign over other gods (e.g. Thor). The Marvel demons, which are inferior to the Dc/ Marvel gods, would lose to this judeo-christian manifestation of God.
That's new to me?? Where do yo get this from? It's actually quite the opposite in Marvel. Not a great analogy there to go by.  The comics aren't ruled by Judeo-christianity, sorry to inform you.
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#71 Posted by supermandefender (2170 posts) - - Show Bio
@lordraiden:  lol in the DCU they are....angels trump all other demi gods or forces. Demons depending on there level of demon are lower than gods that the angels trump in the DCU. However angels dont exist in the Marvel U. I suggest doing some light reading on Lucifer Vetigo series or Sandman. This is explained better there. That or can read Spectre comics. They pretty much make him out to be nigh-omnipotent. Spectre is a part of the presence who use to be a rebel angel who joined lucifers side to overthrow the presence. They lost and the end resulted in Lucifer and the angels that joined him were sent to hell and became demons. Aztar which is the angel body of the Spectre came to the Presence forgiveness and therefore it was granted but with punishment and the punishment was become the Spectre which is gods Vengeance. Presence casted that part or aspect of him out into Aztar completely destorying  him and becoming the angel of Vengeance. Spectre is part of the Presence they are like a piece of big puzzle it is a aspect of his vengeance side as well as Eclipso is his wrath side and Radiant is the mercy of him. For any being to kill Spectre they would completely destroy a aspect of the Presence himself which cannot be done. Therefore all the demons here lose because Presence is equal to the one above all and they trump all in the comic book world.
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#72 Posted by Lance Bastro (5167 posts) - - Show Bio

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#73 Posted by lordraiden (9666 posts) - - Show Bio
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@lordraiden:  lol in the DCU they are....angels trump all other demi gods or forces. Demons depending on there level of demon are lower than gods that the angels trump in the DCU. However angels dont exist in the Marvel U. I suggest doing some light reading on Lucifer Vetigo series or Sandman. This is explained better there. That or can read Spectre comics. They pretty much make him out to be nigh-omnipotent. Spectre is a part of the presence who use to be a rebel angel who joined lucifers side to overthrow the presence. They lost and the end resulted in Lucifer and the angels that joined him were sent to hell and became demons. Aztar which is the angel body of the Spectre came to the Presence forgiveness and therefore it was granted but with punishment and the punishment was become the Spectre which is gods Vengeance. Presence casted that part or aspect of him out into Aztar completely destorying  him and becoming the angel of Vengeance. Spectre is part of the Presence they are like a piece of big puzzle it is a aspect of his vengeance side as well as Eclipso is his wrath side and Radiant is the mercy of him. For any being to kill Spectre they would completely destroy a aspect of the Presence himself which cannot be done. Therefore all the demons here lose because Presence is equal to the one above all and they trump all in the comic book world.
Yeah, know about DC, which is why I mainly stated marvel, and most of DC's vertigo line is kept seperate from mainstream DCU, but yes, DC has it's Presence, archangel's Michael & Lucifer etc. I remember when Vertigo first came into print with Sandman & Hellblazer amongst others. I started off getting Lucifer, had the first few issues, but spewing I stopped :-( (mainly due to finance and keeping up with titles) Spectre is all over the place, and hard to gauge.  He's very dependent on the story, and can be as powerfull as they want/need him to be, or as disposable as they need him to be, like BN or JLA/JSA crossover with the 5Dimps who imprisoned/imbedded him in a living planet/asteroid? and I think Fate and someone else had to find a way of freeing him without killing the planet?  I wouldn't say Spectre is part of the Presence anymore than anyone else who works for him.  He's an angel, who's job just happens to be that off vengeance.  It's hardly ever the Presence actually ever intervenes and tells him what to do or gives him more power.  Even in COIE he was never actually given xtra power by the Presence, as he had an abundance of it, what with all the power of every magic user in DCU, past, present and future, but simply stated to the Spectre that he had the power to do so, just failed to do so, but again, that was mainly due to his host, (corrigan) at the time, who couldn't handle the stress!!
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#74 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9449 posts) - - Show Bio
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@lord_oraculous016: He Orac. i recently saw that even a Marvel has it's Yahwe. He is actually decribed as bieng a biblical God but in Marvel they gave him the status of the highest of the Seraphims (they are creation of OShtur ? )
sorry for the delayed response.. i just actually saw your post right now.. now that you mentioned it, i looked back at Thor #300 where the Gods of the Earth fought against the Celestials and Yahweh was one of the members of the Council of Godheads.. he was probably intended to be one of the Council of Godheads along side many divinities of Earth's religious cultures such as Vishnu, Buddha and Zeus.. he was also probably the the biblical God in the Judeo-Christian belief as others are the supreme fathers of their respective religions.. the thing is i don't remember him ever being mentioned to the "SUPREME BEING".. as we all know, Marvel doesn't based most of the cosmology on the Judeo-Christian belief with respect with other cultures.. 
 
now i also read that his status was changed into being the leader of the Seraphims.. the Seraphims origins has been discussed in Mystic Arcana.. Oshtur wanted to create beings noble and benevolent in contrast to those created by her brothers which were Set's Serpent Men and Chthon's N'Garai.. these being were known as the Bird Men of Akah-Ma'at.. one day, the Elder God Chthon whispered lies in the ears of Varuna, one of the leaders of the winged race.. with his corruption as well as those who followed him, a war broke loose between two fractions of the Bird men of Akah-Ma'at.. those who followed Varuna became the executioner of lower races known as the Asura while those who remained loyal to Oshtur became the Seraphims.. the war between two fraction caused so much destruction that Oshtur needed to banish them into an extra-dimensional realm known as the Planes of Sephiroth..  
 
i don't know why Yahweh was demoted to being just as the leader of the Seraphims.. well one theory is probably not to start a big fuss over the issue of religion.. anyways, i really don't know much of Yahweh's origins.. for all we know, he can be just one of the Bird Men of Akah-Ma'at and became the leader of the Seraphim.. or he can also be a manifestation of Oshtur is frequenly related to the Judeo-Christian God and the concepts of angels..  
 
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another interesting note is i remember Jesus Christ being mentioned in Marvel before.. apparently, Earth's first vampire Varnae upon his quest on reclaiming the pages of the Darkhold witnessed the birth, the life and death of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago..  
 
i guess we will have to wait until Marvel official presents the history for these beings.. 
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#75 Posted by lordraiden (9666 posts) - - Show Bio
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Since all the anime threads are/have all been getting locked, your load should be alot less lol
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#76 Posted by Lance Bastro (5167 posts) - - Show Bio
@lordraiden said:
@Lance Bastro said:

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Since all the anime threads are/have all been getting locked, your load should be alot less lol
i don't know whether to be happy or sad. lol
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#77 Posted by monarch2016 (1564 posts) - - Show Bio

DC gods