@demifiend said:Don't go there, is the only advice I can give you!!how do you figure that one?
spectre solos.Get out of here!! cough cough... alert! maver fanboy ...cough cough.
@Cosmic_Falcon: @TheUltimateSurvivor: Spectre, Nabu the wise, and Phantom Stranger are above Skyfather levels. Lord Marvel, Zeus, Ares, Highfather are skyfather levels. Mephisto is not higher than a skyfather level he is a skyfather level.....most of your demons are skyfather levels also. Your most powerful demons are Shuma Gorath, Dormammu which is not much higher than mephisto and Chthon. The rest are pretty much skyfathers. Shuma Gorath is pretty much the real issue that i see. And i dunno satans powers or much about him so i wont say anything about him but assuming he is not much higher than the rest here win goes to team DC.agree, the only problem here is shuma, but eventually spectre can beat him too.
By sacrificing his life maybe, and that would give the rest of the Demons to handle the rest of Team 1.
@supermandefender said:@Cosmic_Falcon: @TheUltimateSurvivor: Spectre, Nabu the wise, and Phantom Stranger are above Skyfather levels. Lord Marvel, Zeus, Ares, Highfather are skyfather levels. Mephisto is not higher than a skyfather level he is a skyfather level.....most of your demons are skyfather levels also. Your most powerful demons are Shuma Gorath, Dormammu which is not much higher than mephisto and Chthon. The rest are pretty much skyfathers. Shuma Gorath is pretty much the real issue that i see. And i dunno satans powers or much about him so i wont say anything about him but assuming he is not much higher than the rest here win goes to team DC.agree, the only problem here is shuma, but eventually spectre can beat him too.
@Cypher's Gambit: How can Chthon or Dormammu defeat mxy? Dormammu barely manages to beat Mephisto in the realm of evil demons and Mephisto was beaten by Silver Surfer. At best most the demons here at at skyfather levels. Spectre and Nabu the wise are above skyfather levels. Easily. Oh and Mxy cant beat Spectre. Mxy can piss him off but Mxy cant beat him. If Spectre wanted to kill Mxy ever...Mxy would be dead.the thing is, is that these guy can easily get amped above highfather or more depending on the situation. dormammu has a personal set power level, but he can get as powerful as eternity through spells and events which he can manipulate. also dormammu unlike the rest of the other demons here invokes the principalities, so if dormammu invokes cyttorak or raggadorr for power, he would be a serious threat here.
In the beginning, there was the Presence, the One Above All.
Such was the Presence's nature that His aspects had names and identities of their own. At His direction, certain of these aspects were charged with certain functions and duties. Among them were His Wrath, called Eclipso, His Mercy, called the Radiant, and His Vengeance, called the Spectre.
The Spectre is the manifestation of God's wrath, and DC/Marvel have an unwritten rule that Judeo-Christian Gods reign over other gods (e.g. Thor). The Marvel demons, which are inferior to the Dc/ Marvel gods, would lose to this judeo-christian manifestation of God.That's new to me?? Where do yo get this from? It's actually quite the opposite in Marvel. Not a great analogy there to go by. The comics aren't ruled by Judeo-christianity, sorry to inform you.
@lordraiden: lol in the DCU they are....angels trump all other demi gods or forces. Demons depending on there level of demon are lower than gods that the angels trump in the DCU. However angels dont exist in the Marvel U. I suggest doing some light reading on Lucifer Vetigo series or Sandman. This is explained better there. That or can read Spectre comics. They pretty much make him out to be nigh-omnipotent. Spectre is a part of the presence who use to be a rebel angel who joined lucifers side to overthrow the presence. They lost and the end resulted in Lucifer and the angels that joined him were sent to hell and became demons. Aztar which is the angel body of the Spectre came to the Presence forgiveness and therefore it was granted but with punishment and the punishment was become the Spectre which is gods Vengeance. Presence casted that part or aspect of him out into Aztar completely destorying him and becoming the angel of Vengeance. Spectre is part of the Presence they are like a piece of big puzzle it is a aspect of his vengeance side as well as Eclipso is his wrath side and Radiant is the mercy of him. For any being to kill Spectre they would completely destroy a aspect of the Presence himself which cannot be done. Therefore all the demons here lose because Presence is equal to the one above all and they trump all in the comic book world.Yeah, know about DC, which is why I mainly stated marvel, and most of DC's vertigo line is kept seperate from mainstream DCU, but yes, DC has it's Presence, archangel's Michael & Lucifer etc. I remember when Vertigo first came into print with Sandman & Hellblazer amongst others. I started off getting Lucifer, had the first few issues, but spewing I stopped :-( (mainly due to finance and keeping up with titles) Spectre is all over the place, and hard to gauge. He's very dependent on the story, and can be as powerfull as they want/need him to be, or as disposable as they need him to be, like BN or JLA/JSA crossover with the 5Dimps who imprisoned/imbedded him in a living planet/asteroid? and I think Fate and someone else had to find a way of freeing him without killing the planet? I wouldn't say Spectre is part of the Presence anymore than anyone else who works for him. He's an angel, who's job just happens to be that off vengeance. It's hardly ever the Presence actually ever intervenes and tells him what to do or gives him more power. Even in COIE he was never actually given xtra power by the Presence, as he had an abundance of it, what with all the power of every magic user in DCU, past, present and future, but simply stated to the Spectre that he had the power to do so, just failed to do so, but again, that was mainly due to his host, (corrigan) at the time, who couldn't handle the stress!!
@lord_oraculous016: He Orac. i recently saw that even a Marvel has it's Yahwe. He is actually decribed as bieng a biblical God but in Marvel they gave him the status of the highest of the Seraphims (they are creation of OShtur ? )sorry for the delayed response.. i just actually saw your post right now.. now that you mentioned it, i looked back at Thor #300 where the Gods of the Earth fought against the Celestials and Yahweh was one of the members of the Council of Godheads.. he was probably intended to be one of the Council of Godheads along side many divinities of Earth's religious cultures such as Vishnu, Buddha and Zeus.. he was also probably the the biblical God in the Judeo-Christian belief as others are the supreme fathers of their respective religions.. the thing is i don't remember him ever being mentioned to the "SUPREME BEING".. as we all know, Marvel doesn't based most of the cosmology on the Judeo-Christian belief with respect with other cultures..
@Lance Bastro said:i don't know whether to be happy or sad. lolSince all the anime threads are/have all been getting locked, your load should be alot less lol
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