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#1 Edited by lord_oraculous016 (9449 posts) - - Show Bio

which group would reign supreme? 
 
would it be the Godly beings from the DC universe? or the Demons of the Marvel universe? 
 
DC GODS 
 

  • Spectre (Day of Vengeance)
  • Darkseid (Pre-Crisis)
  • Highfather
  • Nabu the Wise
  • Phantom Stranger
  • Lord Marvel
  • Zeus
  • Ares
 
 
MARVEL DEMONS 
 
  • Chthon
  • Shuma-Gorath
  • Mephisto
  • Dormammu
  • Set
  • Lucifer
  • Satan
  • Blackheart
 
 
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battle takes place in a neutral but the demons and gods can tap in the power source of their own respective realms (Hell, Dark Dimension, Serpent's Sea and the Flickering Realm)..

 all comments are welcome.. 
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#2 Posted by kuchiku (4104 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel Demons would win, Dormmammu and mephisto practically win the fight alone lol

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#3 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (2068 posts) - - Show Bio

TOO MUCH people! 
but... I guess since spectre is considered the DC"s LT,  I geuss that means something, and DS with the soulfire formula has pretty impressive feats, like making ajoke out of the Source himself. 
this needs alot of thinking over.

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#4 Posted by goldenshot80 (7456 posts) - - Show Bio
@rapest_of_super_heros said:
" TOO MUCH people! but... I guess since spectre is considered the DC"s LT,  I geuss that means something, and DS with the soulfire formula has pretty impressive feats, like making ajoke out of the Source himself. this needs alot of thinking over. "
god....
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#5 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17185 posts) - - Show Bio
@kuchiku said:
" Marvel Demons would win, Dormmammu and mephisto practically win the fight alone lol "
For sure no.
Spectre would solo them IMO.
 
Who doesn't have any good feats from people here (to my knowledge): 
Zeus, Lord Marvel, Highfather, Phantom Stranger (DC); Marduk Kurios (Satan on the pic) and Lucifer (Marvel).
 
Darkseid should lose to Maphisto fro exmample.
So there will be only Spectre, Ares and Nabu.
IMO Dormammu should give Nabu a great battle.
IDK Ares too much, but I've heard that he is pretty powerfull, but I doubt that he and Spectre can win with Shuma Gorath who will have help from Chthon and Set (let say that Blackheart defeats featless people from DC).
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#6 Posted by kuchiku (4104 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael:  Wow I totally didnt even see spectre *face palms* lol
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#7 Posted by beatboks1 (10117 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael said:
  Who doesn't have any good feats from people here (to my knowledge):  Zeus, Lord Marvel, Highfather, Phantom Stranger (DC); Marduk Kurios (Satan on the pic) and Lucifer (Marvel).
I'd actually add Nabu to those who are featless. He only really has about 5 showings at power and two of those are losses. Stranger does have the fact that even Spectre couldn't destroy him at the end of the 9th age (plus based on his many possible origins is unable to be destroyed even by the highest of powers), but that aside he does usually win solely with knowledge (or guiding others to win with same). Whale Mephisto does have feats he also jobs quite a lot as well. Lord Marvel doesn't have the feats but considering where his power comes from (Shazam) the source of his power does. Ares should go down to any of these (he's lost to WW often enough).
 
Since a few of the Marvel team are omnipotent in their own dimension to determine the win we need to know more on the conditions of the battle. If they are somehow in a plane of existence where all are at the level of power in their own dimension Marvel. depending on who's at peak or below the result could be any number of answers
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#8 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say Spectre is the most powerful on the DC team as the day of vengance shows him taking most of his own team apart. During the time with Hal Jordan it was shown he couldnt permanently kill Darksied, due to some kind of divine rule simmilar to the one that saved the Stranger. And well, Ares got his head caved in by WW with an axe. 
 
I am pretty sure the Spectre can handle most of the Hell based demons (he extinguised DC's Hell and turned Neron to ice during the Day of Judgement), but it gets more tricky with Shuma.

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#9 Posted by YoungGunna (2680 posts) - - Show Bio

Dc gods only needing Spectre and phantom stranger

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#10 Edited by bible_reader (89 posts) - - Show Bio
@kuchiku:  

@kuchiku

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" Marvel Demons would win, Dormmammu and mephisto practically win the fight alone lol "

 phantom stranger or highfather is enough to destroy team2, and spectre can destroy team2 and the rest of team1 combined, what can mephisto or dormamu do to team1LOL? 
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#11 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17185 posts) - - Show Bio
@beatboks1:
I was probably thinking about Ares with God Wave, sorry.
 
@Outside_85 said:
" I'd say Spectre is the most powerful on the DC team as the day of vengance shows him taking most of his own team apart. During the time with Hal Jordan it was shown he couldnt permanently kill Darksied, due to some kind of divine rule simmilar to the one that saved the Stranger. And well, Ares got his head caved in by WW with an axe.  I am pretty sure the Spectre can handle most of the Hell based demons (he extinguised DC's Hell and turned Neron to ice during the Day of Judgement), but it gets more tricky with Shuma. "

And Chthon and Set. They are much above Skyfathers, probably in Vishanti's and Shuma's level.
 
@YoungGunna said:
" Dc gods only needing Spectre and phantom stranger "

Phantom Stranger can't defeat anyone. He is just immortal. Win is ruling in both universes. Phantom Stranger can't rule in any of them. They don't have to kill him.
 
@bible_reader said:
" @kuchiku:  

@kuchiku

said:

" Marvel Demons would win, Dormmammu and mephisto practically win the fight alone lol "

 phantom stranger or highfather is enough to destroy team2, and spectre can destroy team2 and the rest of team1 combined, what can mephisto or dormamu do to team1LOL?  "

About PS - see above.
Highfather? What feats does he have?
Spectre won't solo a team with SG,Set and Chthon.
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#12 Posted by Jorg (739 posts) - - Show Bio

Cthon could possibly solo.  
 
When he inhabited Quicksilvers body, just being there caused immense disasters that could have destroyed the universe.  
 
When inside a host, it is only a tiny fraction of his dark power. 
   
Inside his own dimension he's omnipotent.  
 
Eternity stated if left un-noticed, all of reality would fall to him within the blink of an eye.  
 
Takes enormous amounts of sheer energy to create a rift for him to cross dimensions due to his sheer power.  
  
Chthon's mere presence is enough to corrupt and kill Doctor Strange, who was save only by his faith to what he calls  "something far subtler and far more majestic than the Great Shadow."   
 
The true testament to Chthon's power so far was probably when Wanda Maximoff, the Scarlet Witch who was "blessed" with a mere fraction of Chthon's unholy might altered reality itself. She casted her spell over billions upon billions of souls, worlds and dimensions, affecting alternate realties and permanently shifted all the possible futures of the entire Marvel Universe, a feat which is nearly unprecedented by even the most powerful of Cosmic Entities.  

      
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#13 Posted by Cosmic_Falcon (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends on where the fight takes place and what level all of them are at, as someone else mentioned some of the demons are omnipotent in their own realms. 

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#14 Posted by bible_reader (89 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael:  Phantom Stranger is not just immortal. He knows everything. He already demonstrated throwing energy volts before. I've never really read anything about his full potential but I read an official source before stating he is next to spectre when it comes to most powerful characters in DC is concern. I'm gonna try to find that source
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#15 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17185 posts) - - Show Bio
@bible_reader said:
" @czarny_samael:  Phantom Stranger is not just immortal. He knows everything. He already demonstrated throwing energy volts before. I've never really read anything about his full potential but I read an official source before stating he is next to spectre when it comes to most powerful characters in DC is concern. I'm gonna try to find that source "
And has he defeated any real powerfull being?
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#16 Posted by BlessedbyHorus (6322 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to go with demons. Didn't black Adams hurt spectre? Also chthons powers rivals osthur.
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#17 Posted by DeathsHead2 (1739 posts) - - Show Bio

Ummm... 
 
Satan & Mephisto ftw here.  The others are Over Kill & 1/2! 
 

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#18 Posted by Omega-Man (828 posts) - - Show Bio

No one noticed this is pre crisis Darkseid? pre crisis Darkseid solos as he even pwned SA Superman.
 
Even if it was post crisis Darkseid he would beat Mephisto, as Mephisto is about as powerful as Trigon or Blaze in the DCU and Darkseid out powers them normally.
 
DS is more powerful than Ares also and Ares is pretty darn strong.

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#19 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9449 posts) - - Show Bio
@King-Stranglehold da first said:
" I have to go with demons. Didn't black Adams hurt spectre? Also chthons powers rivals osthur. "
Chthon is more powerful than Oshtur by sheer power individually.. but Oshtur is a formidable rival on her own.. but in order for her to combat Chthon's power, she needs the aid of Hoggoth and Agamotto, which with her forms the eternal Vishanti.. Chthon is hinted to be the most powerful of the Elder Gods as it took the combined powers of the three artifacts of the other Elder Gods (the Sword of Bone of Osthur, the Serpent Crown of Set and the Ebon Rose of Gaea) to banish his essence back and save the fabric of magic and creation from his corruption..  
 
Set alone is suggested to be more powerful than a Cosmic Cube as the combined efforts of Doctor Strange aided with the power of the Cosmic Cube failed to permanently destroy Set himself, but rather just exorcise his influence.. but even that did not last long..
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#20 Posted by BlessedbyHorus (6322 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016: Thanks for the info.
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#21 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17185 posts) - - Show Bio
@Omega-Man said:
" No one noticed this is pre crisis Darkseid? pre crisis Darkseid solos as he even pwned SA Superman. Even if it was post crisis Darkseid he would beat Mephisto, as Mephisto is about as powerful as Trigon or Blaze in the DCU and Darkseid out powers them normally.  DS is more powerful than Ares also and Ares is pretty darn strong. "
1.Prove that PC Darkseid is even a galaxy buster? And this won't help him against Set, Chthon or SG.
2.When did Post-Crisis DS defeated a galaxy buster?
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#22 Posted by bible_reader (89 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael said:
" @bible_reader said:
" @czarny_samael:  Phantom Stranger is not just immortal. He knows everything. He already demonstrated throwing energy volts before. I've never really read anything about his full potential but I read an official source before stating he is next to spectre when it comes to most powerful characters in DC is concern. I'm gonna try to find that source "
And has he defeated any real powerfull being? "

 @czarny_samael:  He is not supposed to defeat anyone. He is just a mystical being that provide clue, information, advice, or hint to the puzzle. He is like  Uatu the watcher of DC comics, the only difference is his level is next to the Spectre.
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#23 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17185 posts) - - Show Bio
@bible_reader said:
" @czarny_samael said:
" @bible_reader said:
" @czarny_samael:  Phantom Stranger is not just immortal. He knows everything. He already demonstrated throwing energy volts before. I've never really read anything about his full potential but I read an official source before stating he is next to spectre when it comes to most powerful characters in DC is concern. I'm gonna try to find that source "
And has he defeated any real powerfull being? "

 @czarny_samael:  He is not supposed to defeat anyone. He is just a mystical being that provide clue, information, advice, or hint to the puzzle. He is like  Uatu the watcher of DC comics, the only difference is his level is next to the Spectre. "
So he is useless here. And Watchers have feats. Like creating a star with ease. Or giving trouble to Celestials.
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#24 Posted by Omega-Man (828 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael: 
 
Pre crisis Darkseid casualy back hands SA superman who could move a solar system worth of planets with ease and also can fly so fast he could destory reality, so you are telling me DS is not a galaxy buster if he can pwn someone who can move more than 12 planets and can tear reality apart?
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#25 Posted by TheDEMON! (572 posts) - - Show Bio

Demons stomp.
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#26 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17185 posts) - - Show Bio
@Omega-Man said:
" @czarny_samael:   Pre crisis Darkseid casualy back hands SA superman who could move a solar system worth of planets with ease and also can fly so fast he could destory reality, so you are telling me DS is not a galaxy buster if he can pwn someone who can move more than 12 planets and can tear reality apart? "
Of course. 
What is even pulling 100 stars to destroying a galaxy? Besides, they would have to make a strength contest, not only battle with each other:

Herc and Thor perfectly equal in strength
Herc and Thor perfectly equal in strength
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#27 Posted by ThanoStomp (890 posts) - - Show Bio

Chthon and Set are Elder gods, which would put them a class ahead of the current gods and skyfathers on the DC team.   Nabu and Lord Marvel might be able to banish Shuma back to his dimension.  At his most powerful, Spectre as the Wrath of God, may be able to take Chton and Set. The wildcard for me is Lucifer.  He would seem to be Spectre's equal as they are both fallen angels, but not sure as there's not much known about him.

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#28 Posted by Omega-Man (828 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael: 
 
Mephisto can destroy a galaxy using his fist now? Thats new.
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#29 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9449 posts) - - Show Bio
@Omega-Man said:
" @czarny_samael:   Mephisto can destroy a galaxy using his fist now? Thats new. "
not technically my friend, but Mephisto has been described to possess the power to destroy a galaxy.. and while in his native dimension his powers rival that of a regular Galactus..
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#30 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9449 posts) - - Show Bio
@ThanoStomp said:
The wildcard for me is Lucifer.  He would seem to be Spectre's equal as they are both fallen angels, but not sure as there's not much known about him. "
actually no.. marvel does not use the term and description of "Angel" like DC does.. DC tends to based most of its cosmology to actual Judeo-Christian beliefs.. what is why the archangels Lucifer and Michael were described only surpassed by the Presence.. Marvel's angels on the other hand is a bit less grand.. according to Marvel, angels in their continuity were creations of the Elder Goddess Oshtur, known as the Bright Lady of the Dawn.. Lucifer was the general of a heavenly host which banished the demons known as the N'garai which were creations of the Elder God Chthon.. after is victory, Lucifer faced his fall from grace, falling from heaven and becoming one of the Hell-Lords.. so it would suggest that his powers only rivals that of Mephisto and the rest of the Hell-Lords..
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#31 Posted by Reptilicus (764 posts) - - Show Bio

Who's that snake demon?

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#32 Posted by Outside_85 (23518 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael:
Well, the Spectre was created to be God's (Presence's) Vengance, that title makes it sound like it's Gods hitman of sorts, but when the big things happen it's usually called into be a sort of cosmic emergency save like; 'In case of emergency break glass, release Moon Face'.  
Also, the only ones who's been able to resist it tends to be either New Gods (Libra and Darksied), protected from him by divine edict (like Vandal Savage/Cain to a degree in Final Crisis and Phantom Stranger) or something else (Nekron, Mandraxx, Michael). At the end of his time, Corrigan even believed he killed God himself, after finding him munching on Micheal. 
 
 
Anywas, if Chthon and Shuma is present in the same dimenion, wouldnt it outright destroy it and them (according to their comicvine entries i read that Shuma is practically a sentient dimension and Chthon apparently rips them apart when he enters them?)
 
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#33 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9449 posts) - - Show Bio
@Reptilicus said:
" Who's that snake demon? "
it's the elder God Set.. one of the most powerful demons in existence and who's name is associated with the seven deadly sins..
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#34 Posted by Jorg (739 posts) - - Show Bio
@Outside_85 said:
"@czarny_samael: Well, the Spectre was created to be God's (Presence's) Vengance, that title makes it sound like it's Gods hitman of sorts, but when the big things happen it's usually called into be a sort of cosmic emergency save like; 'In case of emergency break glass, release Moon Face'.  Also, the only ones who's been able to resist it tends to be either New Gods (Libra and Darksied), protected from him by divine edict (like Vandal Savage/Cain to a degree in Final Crisis and Phantom Stranger) or something else (Nekron, Mandraxx, Michael). At the end of his time, Corrigan even believed he killed God himself, after finding him munching on Micheal.   Anywas, if Chthon and Shuma is present in the same dimenion, wouldnt it outright destroy it and them (according to their comicvine entries i read that Shuma is practically a sentient dimension and Chthon apparently rips them apart when he enters them?)  "

 
Ahhh good point....That may very well take Shuma out of the innings... 
 
I'm not sure if Chthon does it by choice, or second nature, or whether or not he has to pass through Shuma to achieve it.
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#35 Posted by Reptilicus (764 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016: Is Set not popular? I goggled his name in and found zero images.
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#36 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9449 posts) - - Show Bio
@Reptilicus said:
" @lord_oraculous016: Is Set not popular? I goggled his name in and found zero images. "
he's a fairly popular character and has been used in many stories such as in Marvel and Robert E. Howard's Conan
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#37 Posted by Omega-Man (828 posts) - - Show Bio

Lord Marvel has access to the power of the Rock of Eternity, though I must say I haven't seen Lord Marvel use his full power at all.
 
I'm suprised you didn't put Gog in this for DC's side he's a third world god.

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#38 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7186 posts) - - Show Bio

Shuma, Chthon and Set take this for the marvel side.  
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#39 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9449 posts) - - Show Bio

bumpy bump bump.. 

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#40 Posted by TheFallenOne (1122 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016:
He Orac. i recently saw that even a Marvel has it's Yahwe. He is actually decribed as bieng a biblical God but in Marvel they gave him the status of the highest of the Seraphims (they are creation of OShtur ? )
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#41 Posted by primebonnick (4291 posts) - - Show Bio

The Gods Spectre nd PC darkseid rule the demons

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#42 Posted by Cypher's Gambit (2314 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016 said:
which group would reign supreme? 
 
would it be the Godly beings from the DC universe? or the Demons of the Marvel universe? 
 
DC GODS 
 
  • Spectre (Day of Vengeance)
  • Darkseid (Pre-Crisis)
  • Highfather
  • Nabu the Wise
  • Phantom Stranger
  • Lord Marvel
  • Zeus
  • Ares
 
 
MARVEL DEMONS 
 
  • Chthon
  • Shuma-Gorath
  • Mephisto
  • Dormammu
  • Set
  • Lucifer
  • Satan
  • Blackheart
 
 
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battle takes place in a neutral but the demons and gods can tap in the power source of their own respective realms (Hell, Dark Dimension, Serpent's Sea and the Flickering Realm).. all comments are welcome.. 
 
 I like how youve made that VS pic. The demons win.
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#44 Posted by lordraiden (9664 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll take Marvel.

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#45 Posted by demifiend (3761 posts) - - Show Bio

spectre solos. 

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#46 Posted by lordraiden (9664 posts) - - Show Bio
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spectre solos. 
Get out of here!!
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#47 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7186 posts) - - Show Bio

I think chthon Shuma and Set have the power to take this.
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#48 Posted by demifiend (3761 posts) - - Show Bio
@lordraiden said:
@demifiend said:
spectre solos. 
Get out of here!!
cough cough... alert! maver fanboy ...cough cough.  
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#49 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7186 posts) - - Show Bio
@demifiend said:


                    spectre solos. 

                   

               

 
how do you figure that one?
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#50 Posted by Cypher's Gambit (2314 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2 has Living Tribunal feared Shuma Gorath and 2 Elder Gods.