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@mooty_pass: You say I'm underestimating Marvel, while you're clearly underestimating DC.

How am I underestimating DC if I just said in both my responses now that DC can win this fight also??

I didn't say: "Marvel Stomps" and i'm not overestimating Marvel's capabilites or DC. Yet, i'm underestimating DC.

Explain that to me please....

Chavez is not going to handle all those heavy hitters by herself, even if bfr is allowed.

If BFR was allowed, yes. Ms. America can single handily bfr mostly all the heavy hitters. If she is able to BFR Spectrum Monica Rambeau in her light form(someone who is faster than ALL of the DC females). You can expect the same to happen here.

I mean if you read Chavez solo that's her main go to move other than punching and flying. She likes to send people to different dimensions. Not only that if you read Ultimates by Al Ewing Chavez was able to perceive Monica Rambeau moving at light speed.

So, help me understand how she is NOT able to do any of that?? Because.....i think she can and will.

But you told me there is no BFR so this tactic is not likely to happen.

You don't seem to understand that the hax users on Marvel will be KO, before they can do anything.

No, I understand i've been arguing this before you even joined ComicVine(that's assuming your not someone using an Alt Account).

I can see about half of the Marvel ladies getting blitzed until Invisible Woman does something about it. And then kills them in the process.

DC literally has 13 people that can blitz before anyone on the Marvel team can react.

Yes they do, but Marvel has females that have answers for Blitzs. They will blitz themselves right into an Invisible Shield.

DC also has power hax like Zatanna and Circe.

Which can be countered or busy with Scarlet and Enchantress.

It's look like you are downplaying the DC Team.

Nobody, is downplaying or low balling anyone on the DC LOL. I haven't said anything negative about DC. So where did you get that from??? Becuase now i'm getting the impression from our conversation that you are completely ignoring possibilities of Marvel actually winning a Morals off fight(Which they can) and then accuse me of Downplaying when I wasn't

Your first response to me was downplaying the Marvel Side.

If anyone is downplaying it's really You.

I agree Marvel could win if it were morals on.

That's Good.

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@mooty_pass: @teentitans96:Goodness, calm your emotions I've seen you all over this thread. However, I may lean towards D.C, but you greatly underestimate Marvel. If we have morals off here, that would include Jean's Phoenix Force, HOM Wanda, and Devil Woman Magik. None of these women excluding Raven can withstand this kind of power, and Raven alone cannot take them. Circe with amps has depowered every malle villain and superhero and more.....

What can Mrs. America do? Raven cannot bfrd or reality warped.

If Phoenix is involved in this battle, or Hom Wanda the D.c teams need a balance. (Add Amethyst)

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#253 teentitans96  Online

@mooty_pass:

1. Since Chavez can bfr, Raven and Zatanna can bfr Chavez, and most of the Marvel girls also. Zatanna could say pots, while either her or Raven could bfr them.

2. What makes you think Sue will put her shield up in time? 50FT is a short distance. Can Sue be telepathically affected while in her shield? If so Maxima will telepathically assault her. Cause I think I seen a post on this thread saying Sue was tp assaulted while in her shield.

3. Those arguments you made are good, I agree Marvel could win morals on. But for them to win Morals Off, they would need one sided prep. Anyways I'm new on here, so its nice to finally have a debate. So far, this is my favorite thread, since I'm a huge fan of super heroines.

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#254  Edited By teentitans96  Online

@thevoidofdeath: im not mad, the OP says moral of, no phoenix force, no HOM, and Magik is not in this fight. Anyways I'm not all over this thread just on page 5, because the OP tagged me in a post.

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#255  Edited By Mooty_Pass

@thevoidofdeath: I'm calm.

I just think Marvel has just as much a chance at winning as DC does. LOL I don't see how what i'm saying is downplaying.

And me and you already agreed on the 5th Page. So, not sure why this is a big issue.

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@mooty_pass: No, I was telling the Teen Titan person to calm his emotions. I tagged you to ask what is Mr.s America capable of?

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#257  Edited By TheVoidofDeath

Jean Grey is an issue for the D.C team because she has bypassed people who are immune to telepathy. In addition to this said, the reaction time is above average. Her Shields have tanked white holes and tanked binary. I remember Jean going toe to toe with Gladiator, who was actually blitzing. Jean has the psychic raptor and can penetrate any psychic defense, within reason from what I know. In addition to this said, jeans can also shield identities and protect them from being overwritten! Jean has shown to be able to pierce any shield by jeans hand with her psychic raptor, it will physically destroy organs, Brains, and even noncorporeal form. Jean can shut down both opponents and if shed amped by Emma it'll be even worse.

Raven, on the other hand, has a shield that has blocked out a telepath on the same level of Trigon. Raven is able to keep up with the D.C heavy-hitters because she has been able to manhandle Superboy and outpace kid flash.

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Jean Grey is an issue for the D.C team because she has bypassed people who are immune to telepathy. In addition to this said, the reaction time is above average. Her Shields have tanked white holes and tanked binary. I remember Jean going toe to toe with Gladiator, who was actually blitzing. Jean has the psychic raptor and can penetrate any psychic defense, within reason from what I know. In addition to this said, jeans can also shield identities and protect them from being overwritten! Jean has shown to be able to pierce any shield by jeans hand with her psychic raptor, it will physically destroy organs, Brains, and even noncorporeal form. Jean can shut down both opponents and if shed amped by Emma it'll be even worse.

She only does that with phoenix raptor. If were really talking Maxima was holding her own with Brainiac cosmic level tp for a moment. I highly she is taking Maxima or Raven out.

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#259  Edited By TheVoidofDeath

@kasya_carey:

Indeed, she is most definitely not taking out Raven.(I don't know Maxima well enough to claim to be an expert, but I shall take your word for it) Raven does have the shield's to protect her team , and the speed abilities.

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@thevoidofdeath:

I know you were talking to him. Which is why i'm confused as being accused of Downplaying when I said nothing negative about DC LOL.

Ms. America is a threat because of her Hax. She can bfr a person regardless if they move at Light Speed. I mean she did it to Monica Rambeau. Without that HAX she is just another Captain Marvel.

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#261  Edited By kasya_carey

@thevoidofdeath: just about everyone stats on DC>>>>Marvel

Before any of marvel become a threat they severely lack speed.

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@mooty_pass:

Oh Goodness, don't fret that comment was not directed at you. Ah, I see okay I see how that can definitely be a threat for the team, but might I ask can she bfr astral forms? Example, likea being like shadowking?

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@kasya_carey: Where did you get Spectrum from?? She's not in this fight.

-You mentioned Monica above

To that point I agree. But that was before I was told BFR is not allowed. IF bfr was allowed no DC female is touching Ms. Amerca.

-Alright

I don't know Hecate like that and I don't know why we are even using Hecate. To my understainding Circe and WW were given Hecate's power. Which means that's not their normal power levels. So, why is that discussed.

If that's the case then Jean should have the PF......which would really tip the scales.

-I think using just a little of Hecate power circe and WW were universal+ to multiversal I think not sure. But Hecate himself is WAY passed the level of even multiversal +.

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Honestly, you would have to ask @pyrofn because I am not knowledgeable on every marvel character here.

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@kasya_carey:

I mentioned Monica to counter that user's argument of Light Speed Blitz. But that was before I was told NO BFR.

Ok, thank you. I'll take your word for it. I'm not that driven to dig deeper about it.

@thevoidofdeath:

We don't know......

I rather not assume she can or can't because that would be a debate that goes nowhere. I can't prove that she can, and nobody can prove that she can't. So what's the point ya'know?

But that is a good question.......

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@thevoidofdeath: For the record Maxima has also bipassed someone who was supposed to be Immune to Telepathy, Orion (one shot him)

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@destinyman75: the new gods didn’t have their motherbox when maxima attacked Orion. Brainiac made sure every new god had that stripped.

Before his tp was really amped he oneshotted Metron I think he had his. Maxima for a brief moment was able to match his cosmic tp so I guess she could bypass.

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@kasya_carey: Ah really interesting didn't know that... Thanks also for the clarification

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#270  Edited By Master_ChadDuby

Why do we have no Jane Foster? She is the most powerful female hero ever.

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@destinyman75: yeah but He might of had it but from what I recall the motherbox self destructed

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Let's compare teams:

Class 100's (Can lift 100 tons or more)

DC (Big Barda, Blackfire, Donna Troy, Mary Marvel, Maxima, Miss Martian, Nubia, Power Girl, Starfire, Supergirl, Vixen (If she copies Krypto, or a blue whale) Wonder Girl, Wonder Woman)

Marvel (Ms. America, Ms. Marvel, Power Princess, Red-She Hulk, She-Hulk)

Superspeed (Mach or Light Speed)

DC (Blackfire, Cheetah, Donna Troy, Jesse Quick, Mary Marvel, Maxima, Miss Martian, Nubia, Power Girl, Silver Banshee, Starfire, Supergirl, Vixen, Wonder Girl, Wonder Woman)

Marvel(Ms. America, Ms. Marvel, Power Princess)

Magic

DC (Black Alice, Circe, Empress, Jinx, Raven, Silver Banshee, Zatanna)

Marvel (Enchantress, Scarlet Witch)

Telepathy

DC (Maxima, Miss Martian, Saturn Girl, Vixen(If she copies Grodd's powers))

Marvel (Emma Frost, Jean Grey, Psylocke)

Element Manipulation (Can control either Fire, Ice, Water, or Air)

DC (Circe, Fire, Jinx, Killer Frost, Mera, Zatanna)

Marvel (Enchantress, Invisible Woman, Scarlet Witch, Storm)

Weaklinks

DC (Black Canary, Cheshire, Harley Quinn, Hawkwoman)

Marvel (Black Cat, Black Widow, Dazzler, Echo, Elektra, Gamora, Jessica Jones, Lady Bullseye, Lady Deathstrike, Medusa, Misty Knight, Mockingbird, Mystique, Shuri, Spider-Woman, Tigra, Wasp, X-23)

Interesting.

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Most of DC girls get dropped with telepathy. Those with lower end durability can get struck by lightning or flash frozen. Jean, Emma & Psylocke create some sort of mental intrusion while the DC women with higher durability to energy & mental attacks get teamed up on by She Hulk, Red She Hulk, Ms. Marvel & Rogue. Scarlet Witch is definitely overkill, the telepaths were for the most part enough. The Justice League & much of DC have known weaknesses to telepathic assaults. Hawk Girl, Raven, Zatanna, Killer Frost & some more DC girls can be dropped automatically with lightning &/or flash-freezing. Pick your poison. Marvel ftw.

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@easternglider: wow you're like one of the 4 people on this thread arguing for Marvel. Thanks for the input, I knew it could go either way.

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@gmorto: It surely isn't as clean cut as some people are trying to make it seem. I can see it going either way, but I favor Marvel so I argued in their favor.

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Lmao more than half of the marvel dies when the starts

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#282  Edited By JLA_Avengers

@easternglider:

Scenario 1: Most of Marvel girls get dropped by DC's telepaths (Maxima, Miss Martian, Saturn Girl, and Vixen (OP gave her Grodd's telepathy). Jean, Emma, and Psylocke would get speed blitzed. Once the telepaths are KO, Diana speedblitz the rest of the Marvel Girls. Storm gets speedblizted, and a lot of the DC girls are fast enough to dodge lightning. Killer Frost (Louise Lincoln version judging by the pic the OP has) can also flash freeze the many street levelers on the Marvel side.

Sceneario 2: Maxima, Miss Martian, Saturn Girl, and Vixen(has Grodds powers) distract Jean, Emma, and Psylocke in a telepathic battle, while the rest Marvel girls get stomped by the DC heavy hitters. Circe is more powerful than normal Wanda, on top of that there's Black Alice who can straight up steal Wanda's powers leaving her poweless.

To be honest, I do like the points you bring up, but I leans more towards DC, due to this being morals off, and the DC team is way more stacked than the Marvel team. DC wins 9/10 imo.

@kasya_carey said:

Lmao more than half of the marvel dies when the starts

Exactly!!

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60% of marvel is fodder where DC has 20%

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@jla_avengers: No telepath on that team is stalling Jean, let alone Jean, Emma & Betsy. If you believe that those telepaths you just named can even distract the Marvel telepaths, then you must argue that some of Marvels heavy hitters with super speed in the OP will distract DC's "equivalents". Jean Grey is recalled widely for her telepathic feats that have surpassed what really any "telepath" on DC's side can do.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/jean-grey-334/the-most-powerful-psi-in-the-world-619309/

So that is moot. And even with morals off, the direct result would not be speedblitzing. That is not a consistent attack resort, where as Jean and Emma's usual first lines of defense is telepathy. If those heavy hitters on DC's team don't start with a speed blitz (which they really ninety nine percent of the time don't) then they're curbed. If the same power-related laws from Marvel are allowed in this fight, & I assume everyone has their respective power levels, Jean Grey can even pierce the telepathic protection of DC team members. Most, if not all, of DC is getting dropped immediately with a telepathic assault because that actually is Jean's first line of defense. Coupled with Emma & Betsy's psychic prowess, I see a bunch of women dropping like flies who are all too familiar with bug spray.

The only chance, in HELL, that DC has is like you said; speedblitzing. If they start off any other way & let Marvel Girl dissect the situation, they are curbed.

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#285  Edited By JLA_Avengers

@easternglider: OK, you have WW's Lasso of Truth which would free a person of telepathy and protect th person against it, WW has some degree of telepathic resistance (though to be fair her resistance is inconsistent at times). Since the OP says post-crisis and new-52 feats, the new 52 version has shown greater tp resistance. She can lasso her teammates to free them from telepathic assaults. So, she could either lasso Jean, Grey, and Psylocke, which they can not move once in the lasso, and they have to do whatever WW says. Maxima, Miss Martian, and Saturn Girl are powerful enough to stall them. Maxima is also one of the most powerful telepaths in DC, while Saturn Girl is the most powerful telepath in the 30th century. Maxima is also extremely versatile, she can knock off Jean's, Emma, and Psylocke's head while speedblitzing. Even DC's telepaths can drop most of the Marvel girls also. Also, some of the DC girls will speed blitz in character like Cheetah. Cheetah is one of DC's fastest speedster. LOL Marvel has like what 3 speedsters on their side, compared to DC's 15 speedsters. Marvel's heavy hitters are not as fast as DC's heavy hitters. She-Hulk's and Ms. Marvel's strength is nothing compared to WW, Supergirl, Mary Marvel, Power Girl, etc. There are ways DC can deal with Marvel, as there are ways for Marvel to win. DC can win without speedblitz.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/maxima/4005-10034/forums/post-crisis-maxima-respect-thread-1571884/

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@jla_avengers: If Jean Grey can pierce the telepathic resistance of Mag's helmet, Wonder Woman will be child's play. But assuming that Wonder Woman isn't one of the initial people that is taken down telepathically, what answer do they have for Sue's shields that have withstood a lot more than most of anyone here could dish out. If Marvel's telepaths are acting through Sue's shields how will they be reached or done away with then? While DC has speedsters, that seems to be their crutch, & it's not like they start with that attack 99 percent of the time. Sue on the other hand when assisting team members acts as a defensive player & telepaths start with well... telepathic assaults. With your logic, the DC girls' telepathy doesn't compare to Marvel's.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/emma-frost-vs-saturn-girl-582899/

Emma alone is a match for Saturn Girl so telepathically, she's a nonfactor. Considering Sue with nigh-impenetrable shields (that can not be bypassed mentally or physically), energy manipulators/projectors, two of some of Marvel's top tier telepaths & Marvel's most powerful telepath along with Amora & Scarlet Witch who are very powerful sorceresses against a team of super strength possessing speedsters (which is really their only edge because they can be matched in almost any other way) Marvel has an edge. But you are right, there are also ways for DC to defeat Marvel.

I do not like the idea of speedblitzing so I won't even consider it, but Black Alice & Raven turn the tides in my opinion for DC.

I give it to both Comic teams 5/10 because I can see either winning realistically.

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#287  Edited By JLA_Avengers

@easternglider:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/psylocke-vs-raven-615555/

And Raven alone is more than a match for psylocke.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/maxima-vs-psylocke-2043264/

Also maxima is a match for Psylocke.

Also I read through pg 2-3 on this thread it was shown that Maxima can resist casual brainiac, and casual brainaic has range feats comparable to xavier. If an amped Xavier can’t take down Maxima completely than I don’t think Emma or Psylocke to do the same.

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DC team take this.

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#290 teentitans96  Online

DC Curbstomps , Wonder Woman comic level is good as Superman , can arguably solos

This, and Maxima solos as well

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Stalemate?