DBS: Universe 7 vs. Toppo

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#1 Posted by deactivated-5cfefdb3f097d (3679 posts) - - Show Bio
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  • This is universe 7 before the powerups they achieved during the tournament.
  • Toppo starts in his god form and is bloodlusted, Universe 7 is morals on but fighting seriously.
  • Takes place where the ToP happened. Tournament of Power rules, except that killing is allowed.
  • In-universe intel by EoS. No fusions.
  • Who wins?
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#2 Posted by cromulor (2822 posts) - - Show Bio

No power ups? Jeez. Toppo slaughters unless Roshi can pull a Mafuba. It took everything a stronger Vegeta than the one here had to take him down.

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#3 Posted by Aristeaus (1510 posts) - - Show Bio

Without the powerups they literally cannot touch him.

Toppo slaughters.

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#4 Edited by LeonardoTMNT (2826 posts) - - Show Bio

GoD Toppo had a hard time tagging 17, so the team should have the speed advantage. With the numbers advantage as well, I could actually see the team taking this if the collaborate together, high difficulty. Goku MVP, mainly due to Kaio-Ken

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#5 Posted by Aristeaus (1510 posts) - - Show Bio

GoD Toppo had a hard time tagging 17, so the team should have the speed advantage. With the numbers advantage as well, I could actually see the team taking this if the collaborate together, high difficulty. Goku MVP, mainly due to Kaio-Ken

Only had Kaioken x 10 prior to tournament, which Base form Toppo was able to hold his own against. It took Rage SSB Vegeta ( equiv to KKx20 ) to hit Toppo in Hakaishin.

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#6 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2826 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT said:

GoD Toppo had a hard time tagging 17, so the team should have the speed advantage. With the numbers advantage as well, I could actually see the team taking this if the collaborate together, high difficulty. Goku MVP, mainly due to Kaio-Ken

Only had Kaioken x 10 prior to tournament, which Base form Toppo was able to hold his own against. It took Rage SSB Vegeta ( equiv to KKx20 ) to hit Toppo in Hakaishin.

Toppo never faced Kaio-Ken Goku, the fight was stopped before they continued. Also, Goku used Kaio-Ken X20 against Jiren in the ToP pre-any boosts. So I don't see why he wouldn't be able to use it here. With Goku as the ace, no way the team is losing to Toppo. GoD Toppo couldn't even manage to ring out 17 or Frieza, now he's facing them along with the rest of U7. He get's overwhelmed, Goku being the one to deliver the final blow.

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#7 Posted by sky_warrior (823 posts) - - Show Bio

all are fodder except KK goku but they might pull out a win if they work perfectly

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#8 Posted by deactivated-5b84aca03eae8 (6261 posts) - - Show Bio

Toppo destroys them all.

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#9 Posted by Oreoghoul (2638 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus said:
@LeonardoTMNT said:

GoD Toppo had a hard time tagging 17, so the team should have the speed advantage. With the numbers advantage as well, I could actually see the team taking this if the collaborate together, high difficulty. Goku MVP, mainly due to Kaio-Ken

Only had Kaioken x 10 prior to tournament, which Base form Toppo was able to hold his own against. It took Rage SSB Vegeta ( equiv to KKx20 ) to hit Toppo in Hakaishin.

Toppo never faced Kaio-Ken Goku, the fight was stopped before they continued. Also, Goku used Kaio-Ken X20 against Jiren in the ToP pre-any boosts. So I don't see why he wouldn't be able to use it here. With Goku as the ace, no way the team is losing to Toppo. GoD Toppo couldn't even manage to ring out 17 or Frieza, now he's facing them along with the rest of U7. He get's overwhelmed, Goku being the one to deliver the final blow.

Toppo is allowed to kill here though.

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#10 Posted by Jatom22 (1867 posts) - - Show Bio

KaiokenX10 goku, blue vegeta, golden fireza and 17 has got to at least equal royal blue vegeta that overpowered toppo.

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#12 Posted by Thedarkking25 (1209 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: it's called plot armour lol 17 couldn't even fight base toppo

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#13 Posted by LegendaryKal-El (188 posts) - - Show Bio

Toppo hakais every single one of them

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#14 Posted by deactivated-5b2dd32201ad6 (2795 posts) - - Show Bio

The Mafuba is their only hope.

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#15 Posted by jashro44 (55221 posts) - - Show Bio

Thing is if your not stronger than Toppo you can't really hurt him due to Hakai energy. Most people here are non factors. Goku is the only one with any sort of chance because Vegeta doesn't have limit breaker.

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#17 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8769 posts) - - Show Bio

Only relevant character is Goku with SSBKKX10 and he loses for sure. Toppo should win, honestly.

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#18 Posted by CyanIsHere (382 posts) - - Show Bio

This is spite. Toppo slaughters.

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#19 Posted by noobsnowman (3758 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually it's spite in the reverse direction. Toppo gets murdered.

Goku has mastered the Kaioken before the Tournament started, and he alone is a significant challenge to Toppo. Adding the rest and Toppo gets dumpstered.

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#21 Posted by GokuAndSuperman (454 posts) - - Show Bio

Toppo was playing with 17. It was like lion hunting and playing with his food until bam ? taken down.

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#22 Edited by Royal_Warrior (5059 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku solos with KK pretty easily

SSBKK is stronger than SSRB Vegeta and look how easily Vegeta dealt with him

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#23 Posted by deactivated-5ae6527167c26 (2058 posts) - - Show Bio

SSB Vegito one shots

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#25 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2826 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: it's called plot armour lol 17 couldn't even fight base toppo

Yes he could, he even pushed him back when they were throwing hands;

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Base Toppo was stronger than 17, but not by a ton. The gap only became massive when GoD Toppo was unleashed. 17 outpaced base Toppo and GoD Toppo, it's clear he's just faster. That's like saying, well SSJB Vegeta is stronger than Dyspo, so logically he should be faster than him. Also not the case.

Doesn't change the fact Toppo will lose due to the fact Goku is on the U7 team who could do it on his own, throwing in the others makes it even more one sided.

Goku solos with KK pretty easily

SSBKK is stronger than SSRB Vegeta and look how easily Vegeta dealt with him

Exactly

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#26 Posted by KingFrieza (1614 posts) - - Show Bio

@noobsnowman: @royal_warrior: @LeonardoTMNT: did you guys actually watch the episode or not?

Toppo with his hakaishin powers crushed vegeta, he was stronger and faster by far, vegeta was a punching bag for him, and vegeta was equal to goku.

Vegeta gets a rage boost mid toppo fight that lets him overpower toppo.

Vegeta loses the rage boost buff after fighting toppo and goes back to normal power.

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#27 Posted by Animegodkc12345 (123 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: how the fuck is ssbkk above ssb evolution vegeta because he literally isn’t stop pulling crap out your ass seriously!!!

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#28 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2826 posts) - - Show Bio

@noobsnowman: @royal_warrior: @LeonardoTMNT: did you guys actually watch the episode or not?

Toppo with his hakaishin powers crushed vegeta, he was stronger and faster by far, vegeta was a punching bag for him, and vegeta was equal to goku.

Vegeta gets a rage boost mid toppo fight that lets him overpower toppo.

Vegeta loses the rage boost buff after fighting toppo and goes back to normal power.

Vegeta was equal to Kaio-KenX10 Goku, Goku could still use Kaio-Kenx20. No way Toppo is beating Goku.

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#29 Posted by noobsnowman (3758 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT:

Vegeta was equal to Kaio-KenX10 Goku,

Are you referring to Beyond Blue Vegeta? If so then what is this based on?

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#30 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2826 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT:

Vegeta was equal to Kaio-KenX10 Goku,

Are you referring to Beyond Blue Vegeta? If so then what is this based on?

When they were both fighting Jiren they appeared to be handling about the same. The only time we had confirmation Goku used Kaio-Kenx20 was during the spirit bomb toss against Jiren, so I assumed Goku was using 10x against Jiren since it is rare for Goku to press past that multiplier when using Kaio-Ken. And when he does he usually says so.

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#31 Posted by AlexTheBoss (19641 posts) - - Show Bio

People are over-hyping Toppo. He is strong, but he isn't beating everyone at once. Goku with KKx20 is already a match for him. Add in Golden Frieza, SSB Vegeta, 17, and mystic Gohan and he will have a real problem. Plus Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, 18, and Roshi as support that is probably too much. Toppo was having trouble getting rid of 17 and only took out golden Frieza so easily because Frieza was cocky enough to let the energy of destruction hit him. He could of easily dodged. Even an injured final form Frieza was able to hold Toppo down for a bit with his telekenesis.

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#32 Posted by KingFrieza (1614 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: incorrect, he used SSBKKx20 for most of the first fight, then when that failed he used a Spirit bomb pushed by that form.

The fact he was doing as good or better against a stronger jiren, also implies that he couldn’t have been only using SSBKKx10 in later fights.

Regardless vegeta with rage boost>> vegeta without it, plus you’re trying to scale someone to a rage boosted character, that’s ridiculous...

we all know rage boosts can go from a small increase, all the way to hundreds of times over and stop without warning near instantly, rage boosts are the most inconsistent thing in a inconsistent verse...

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#33 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (2826 posts) - - Show Bio

@LeonardoTMNT: incorrect, he used SSBKKx20 for most of the first fight, then when that failed he used a Spirit bomb pushed by that form.

The fact he was doing as good or better against a stronger jiren, also implies that he couldn’t have been only using SSBKKx10 in later fights.

Regardless vegeta with rage boost>> vegeta without it, plus you’re trying to scale someone to a rage boosted character, that’s ridiculous...

we all know rage boosts can go from a small increase, all the way to hundreds of times over and stop without warning near instantly, rage boosts are the most inconsistent thing in a inconsistent verse...

Or it could be that Goku just received a zenkai boost from all the fights, thus making his Kaio-Kenx10 even stronger.

@LeonardoTMNT: how the fuck is ssbkk above ssb evolution vegeta because he literally isn’t stop pulling crap out your ass seriously!!!

When did I say that? I said they're even.

People are over-hyping Toppo. He is strong, but he isn't beating everyone at once. Goku with KKx20 is already a match for him. Add in Golden Frieza, SSB Vegeta, 17, and mystic Gohan and he will have a real problem. Plus Piccolo, Tien, Krillin, 18, and Roshi as support that is probably too much. Toppo was having trouble getting rid of 17 and only took out golden Frieza so easily because Frieza was cocky enough to let the energy of destruction hit him. He could of easily dodged. Even an injured final form Frieza was able to hold Toppo down for a bit with his telekenesis.

This is exactly my train of thought

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#34 Posted by TonyStark6999 (2735 posts) - - Show Bio

Team

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#35 Edited by Regime (519 posts) - - Show Bio

Love how everybody is making up his own name for the new version of Vegeta’s SSB.

On Topic: (Potara) fushion is still an option, so Vegito might be able to pull off some wins with help from Golden Frieza and 17 as distractions. Maybe Roshi can mafuba Toppo while he’s busy fighting.

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#36 Posted by freesid_stf123 (541 posts) - - Show Bio

@noobsnowman said:

@LeonardoTMNT:

Vegeta was equal to Kaio-KenX10 Goku,

Are you referring to Beyond Blue Vegeta? If so then what is this based on?

When they were both fighting Jiren they appeared to be handling about the same. The only time we had confirmation Goku used Kaio-Kenx20 was during the spirit bomb toss against Jiren, so I assumed Goku was using 10x against Jiren since it is rare for Goku to press past that multiplier when using Kaio-Ken. And when he does he usually says so.

Except the only time Goku actually said what multiplier he was using at all was during the spirit bomb struggle. He didn't say it earlier when he first used KKx20 against Jiren and got blitzed, rather Beerus and Whis pointed it out. He didn't say it against Kefla, or against Jiren in episodes 123, 125, or 127. He just either screamed Kaioken, or just "AAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!". Plus in 123 Beerus said that in 123 Goku was releasing everything he has, and considering how this entire arc has been putting so much emphasis on pushing oneself to the max, and beyond, I find it hard to believe that he was just using KKx10 in 123.

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#37 Posted by Slade-Prime (1839 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually it's spite in the reverse direction. Toppo gets murdered.

Goku has mastered the Kaioken before the Tournament started, and he alone is a significant challenge to Toppo. Adding the rest and Toppo gets dumpstered.

LMFAO "dumpstered" but this is correct.