DBS: Super Gogeta vs SS2 Kefla

VS

• Takes place on TOP stage.
• Both sides going all out
• Who wins?

Gogeta. Despite them being super Saiyan gogeta is still a fusion of post TOP vegeta and goku. They are much stronger

Gogeta stomps

Gogeta slaps.

Gogeta curbs with negative diff.

I think Base Gogeta would win.

gogeta wins heavily

mismatch

gogeta spanks her literally

Mismatch. Gogeta already pimp slapped broly. What does kefla bring to the table that broly didn't?

SSJ Gogeta disintegrates her on the spot

Gogeta stomps

I'm not sure he has enough feats to warrant that. All he did was dodge and deflect ssj Broly's regular ki attacks, he didn't actually fight back. However if you go by the manga continuity where ssj2 Kefla was only around regular Blue level and tied with Gohan, then ya I could see base Gogeta winning.

Gogeta pimp slaps

Gogeta stomps in base form.

Gogeta with ease.

Gogeta stomps. Although it doesn’t make any sense at all why ? Remember in Battle Of Gods when Goku said if he fused with Vegeta it wouldn’t be enough to fight Beerus ? Well that would mean SSJ Gogeta would be weaker than SSJ God Goku. But SSJ Gogeta is obviously much stronger than current SSJ God Goku. Unless they got a huge boost for the fusion dance or something..

Makes no sense. They should’ve had Gogeta go straight into SSJ Blue in the movie. The gap between SSJ and SSJ Blue is massive.

Gogeta

@etherious: what makes you think he would stomp in base? His base at best seemed a bit above SSB.

@alextheboss: Current Goku SSJB is stronger than Kefla SSJ2, Base Gogeta is above this.

@etherious: Where are you getting current SSB Goku is above ssj2 Kefla? In the anime SSBKKx20 was arguably stronger than ssj2 Kefla by the end of the tournament, and in the manga MSSB Goku is arguably stronger than ssj Kefla, but the only way I can see rationalizing current SSB Goku being above Kefla is we accept that kaioken and SSBE don't exist in this movie and that SSB is just their full power now, and it's the hypothetical movie-verse Kefla.

@alextheboss: um in the manga MSSJ blue goku is definitely stronger than kefla. She ultimate gohan level which is well below blue. In fact she may be slightly under ultimate gohan

@theemperor95:

She ultimate gohan level which is well below blue

Why? One can argue that Kefla is stronger based on Kale's performance against Goku, Vados's statement, and Frieza's reaction towards Kale during the end of Chapter 37 and the start of Chapter 38 (not the fight itself during the middle of Chapter 37, as Frieza said he wasn't serious).

SSJ2 Kefla should be below SSJ Gogeta quite massively.

@karkus: unless you honestly think she was a match for jiren (one of the fighter present when she made the statement) let alone stronger it doesn't mean much.

Not to mention she literally stalemated gohan and knew she couldn't win. Gohan himself is weaker than goku

Edit: vegeta also notes that her power could catch you off guard at first which is what likely happened to goku especially since he doesn't fight with his full power all the time

@theemperor95:

unless you honestly think she was a match for jiren

Not for Jiren's full power, but perhaps the level of power Jiren had displayed at the time of Vados's statement.

Gohan himself is weaker than goku

Why?

which is what likely happened

Maybe, but Frieza's face at the end of Chapter 37 didn't seem to be the look of someone who could easily defeat Kale.

@karkus: I do think Frieza would have ended up beating Kale, as he was upset when Goku stepped in, and he said he could have won. Though Kefla is another story, because she retains Kale's power, but keeps the skill, speed, and intelligence.

@alextheboss: I agree Frieza at the time of making his statement was above Kale, but Kale's power increased after he made that statement to the point where Frieza seemed to look nervous.

Manga Kefla - Gogeta wins in a stomp

Anime Kefla - Gogeta, low-mid diff

@karkus: Yeah, she might have been stronger than him at that point, but she still wouldn't have won, as it was stated her speed was slow and her power was dropping fast the next chapter. If he can take a one hour beating from Broly he would be just fine against her. It is implied that Gohan hasn't reached Goku though, so it's possible it could go

golden Frieza=regular SSB<kefla=Gohan<mastered SSB

@alextheboss:

Yeah, she might have been stronger than him at that point, but she still wouldn't have won, as it was stated her speed was slow and her power was dropping fast the next chapter.

Yeah, I agree. Kale would only be superior in terms of power.

If he can take a one hour beating from Broly

Whether the Broly movie follows the Anime or Manga canon is a debate in itself, but it was said that Frieza got stronger after the ToP.

It is implied that Gohan hasn't reached Gohan though

Do you mean Goku? Krillin said he hadn't surpassed him, but I'd trust Vados's word over Krillin's. It could also mean they were equal.

golden Frieza=regular SSB<kefla=Gohan<mastered SSB

Interesting theory.

@karkus:

Whether the Broly movie follows the Anime or Manga canon is a debate in itself,

I agree. I think it kind of just follows all of them in a general sense, but there are things making it a bit inconsistent with all of them as well.

but it was said that Frieza got stronger after the ToP.

Vegeta said there was a threat of him becoming stronger, but I would say him lasting an hour against Broly kind of solidifies that. But it was stated it was right after the ToP, so he probably wasn't much stronger.

Do you mean Goku?

Yeah, lol.

Krillin said he hadn't surpassed him, but I'd trust Vados's word over Krillin's. It could also mean they were equal.

It's hard to say for sure, but if Gohan was really stronger you think he would have went for Jiren, but he made it seem like he went for the second strongest enemy because he knew it had to be his dad that takes on the strongest, and I believe that was before UIO was shown.

Interesting theory.

Yeah, in the manga version it was never proven Frieza was equal with mastered SSB, so all we have to go on is knowing he used to be stronger than regular SSB. Mastered SSB Goku did go toe to toe with merged Zamasu, which is not something I'm sure I could see Frieza doing.

@alextheboss:

Vegeta said there was a threat of him becoming stronger, but I would say him lasting an hour against Broly kind of solidifies that.

Yeah, that and Tatsuya Nagamine saying during an interview that Frieza showed particular growth during the Broly movie.

https://twitter.com/Herms98/status/1025905720556810240

It's hard to say for sure, but if Gohan was really stronger you think he would have went for Jiren,

Maybe, but it's also possible he realized he couldn't beat Jiren, or he just wanted Goku to finish his match with Jiren.

Yeah, in the manga version it was never proven Frieza was equal with mastered SSB

Of course, Frieza had very limited screen time, but Goku seemed pretty bruised after his encounter with Frieza, and said Vegeta might be surprised if he fights Frieza, which seems to indicate he isn't dwarfed by them.

@karkus:

Yeah, that and Tatsuya Nagamine saying during an interview that Frieza showed particular growth during the Broly movie.

I think he may have meant character growth, not power growth.

Of course, Frieza had very limited screen time, but Goku seemed pretty bruised after his encounter with Frieza, and said Vegeta might be surprised if he fights Frieza, which seems to indicate he isn't dwarfed by them.

True, I forgot he fought Frieza off screen in the manga. That means Frieza probably was at least close to mastered SSB.

Base Gogeta will do.

Gogeta probably.

@karkus: ultimate gohan has never been displayed as ssj God tier let alone blue level

@theemperor95: Ultimate Gohan's only feat is stalemating Kefla, but given statements and scaling her to Kale, that's arguably a Blue tier feat.

@karkus: um no it's not if you remember correctly golden frieza was having trouble with ssj1 caulifa when they first began to fight. Does that make her golden frieza level? No because he proceeded to stomp her casually. Same thing with kale or kefla. Just think 2 ssj level characters fusing doesn't equal ssj God they established that in the beginning it super when they were gonna face beerus

@theemperor95:

No because he proceeded to stomp her casually. Same thing with kale or kefla.

But there's nothing indicating he could stomp her, let alone casually.

Just think 2 ssj level characters fusing doesn't equal ssj God

I agree, but the problem is Kale isn't just SSJ1 level. Just look at how Frieza's face when she powered up further. That doesn't look like the reaction of someone who is vastly superior.

And based on her fight with MSSJB Goku, she didn't seem just SSJ1 Tier. This was prior to the power spike she received at the end of the chapter.

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Vados also thought no one would be a match for Kefla.

@karkus: the fact that she was tied with ultimate gohan pretty much means she would lose to anyone blue tier.

Goku man handling her then got surprised by her power constantly rising and was left open because of it. Same with frieza they were both surprised her power kept increasing so quickly. Frieza was also shocked when caulifa blitzed him and attacked him because he wasn't serious. He was still much stronger than her.

Vados statement doesn't mean much. Jiren in the manga didn't hold back and goku in MSSJB couldn't even make him move yet kefla was stronger than him because of vados statement? Someone who hasn't yet proven to be a wise and reliable source of judgement?

You're only reasoning behind kefla being blue tier is that frieza was surprised kale kept powering up and vados statement but she literally was matched in power with gohan. None of the z fighters got boosts like in the anime. None were ssj God level.

@theemperor95:

the fact that she was tied with ultimate gohan pretty much means she would lose to anyone blue tier.

That's circular logic. For all we know, Gohan could be Blue Tier.

Goku man handling her then got surprised by her power constantly rising and was left open because of it.

He caught her punch, but then as her power kept rising, she attacked with enough force to break his blocking. Saying he was off-guard is speculation.

Frieza was also shocked

Surprised perhaps, but not sweating and his mouth gaping like he was against Kale.

Jiren in the manga didn't hold back

He did.

Someone who hasn't yet proven to be a wise and reliable source of judgement?

Why would she be unreliable?

None of the z fighters got boosts like in the anime.

Gohan did. It was outright said he got stronger as he fought Kefla.

Gogeta stomps. Goku and vegeta are a lot stronger than their tournament selves which is backed up by interviews and whis at the start of the broly movie

With ease

@karkus: They really dont know how to draw Jiren

Gogeta should one shot

Gogeta stomps.

SSj Gogeta stomps, base Gogeta gets stomped.

Gogeta easily.

Current Goku could even win by himself after the ToP zenkai.

Kefla fought a tired, damaged, and low stamina Goku.

not saying Goku can't beat SSJ2 Kefla on his own now, but wouldn't saying he wins due to the zenkai be wrong since she also got a Zenkai boost?

@loveeveryone: that was before saiyan beyond god, before SSG, SSB