@zgtfreak: That's basically what tearing through reality means though, bending the laws of physics doesn't mean destruction. You can tear through reality in your bedroom without destroying your room.
@zgtfreak: It doesn't need to be quantifiable in terms of DC since Accel NLF ability ignores DC either way lmao. All it needs to do is effect and distort space time like it did which Accel shields have no answer to,
@zgtfreak: If manga feats are allowed Gogeta should know hakai. I don’t really know anything about Accelarator besides his power has something to do with vectors, but hakai shouldn’t be a vector.
@zgtfreak: We know for a fact they entered "an alternate dimension that doesn't exist in reality" as creators of the movie said. To do that they would need to effect space-time in one way or another and Accel has no answer for attacks of that nature. Simple as that.
@gaoron: Evidence that said feat would disrupt his vectors and or not have any vectors at all? Not to mention that the dimension feat was a combined attack from Gogeta and Broly.
Here the Broly v.s Bogeta feat. When they are in the dimension their individual attacks were shown shattering parts of the dimension by them self. The last attack at the end dimension busted.
@zgtfreak: Attacks that effect space itself don't have direction or vectors unless you can prove it. They were breaking dimensional walls by themselves later on (someone posted video above). Destroying miniature time-space dimensions didn't start with Broly and Gogeta either. Goku,Vegeta, Jiren, saiyan girls all did it before aswell too. Gogeta and Broly only did it passively without actively trying to do it.
@zgtfreak: It doesn't need to be quantifiable in terms of DC since Accel NLF ability ignores DC either way lmao. All it needs to do is effect and distort space time like it did which Accel shields have no answer to,
>Says the ability is NLF
>Proceeds to mention a way where the ability is useless.
@zgtfreak: Attacks that effect space itself don't have direction or vectors unless you can prove it. They were breaking dimensional walls by themselves later on (someone posted video above). Destroying miniature time-space dimensions didn't start with Broly and Gogeta either. Goku,Vegeta, Jiren, saiyan girls all did it before aswell too. Gogeta and Broly only did it passively without actively trying to do it.
Teleportation affects space itself... guess what Accel can reflect??
@zgtfreak: Attacks that effect space itself don't have direction or vectors unless you can prove it. They were breaking dimensional walls by themselves later on (someone posted video above). Destroying miniature time-space dimensions didn't start with Broly and Gogeta either. Goku,Vegeta, Jiren, saiyan girls all did it before aswell too. Gogeta and Broly only did it passively without actively trying to do it.
Teleportation affects space itself... guess what Accel can reflect??
Only for literally instant. I would need scans for Accel countering teleportation while its in that instant moment if it really happened.
And even then breaking and just effecting space is not the same thing.
@gaoron Attacks that effect space itself don't have direction or vectors unless you can prove it.
The punch that caused it had a vector. The dimension itself breaking wouldn't harm Accelerator since it didn't harm the Earth or its environment, and merely transported them to a wasteland without ice. The dimensions breaking didn't even kill Bulma.
Destroying miniature time-space dimensions didn't start with Broly and Gogeta either. Goku,Vegeta, Jiren, saiyan girls all did it before aswell too
@gaoron Attacks that effect space itself don't have direction or vectors unless you can prove it.
The punch that caused it had a vector. The dimension itself breaking wouldn't harm Accelerator since it didn't harm the Earth or its environment, and merely transported them to a wasteland without ice. The dimensions breaking didn't even kill Bulma.
Destroying miniature time-space dimensions didn't start with Broly and Gogeta either. Goku,Vegeta, Jiren, saiyan girls all did it before aswell too
Where? (Not that it matters.)
Your last point about the dimension busting not hurting bulma does not make sense since she was not in the dimension they were fighting in.
@lordragoon: Proof she wasn't? She was in the area where Gogeta and Broly were fighting, along with Whis; meaning she would've gotten dragged in. She was also with Whis after the dimensions sent Gogeta and Broly to some random wasteland; meaning it also transported her as well. She would've had to of been in the area of the dimensions breaking for it to transport her and Whis. You can headcanon that Whis took her there or protected her, but that is mere headcanon; as she didn't have any form of ki shielding around her.
@lordragoon: Proof she wasn't? She was in the area where Gogeta and Broly were fighting, along with Whis; meaning she would've gotten dragged in. She was also with Whis after the dimensions sent Gogeta and Broly to some random wasteland; meaning it also transported her as well. She would've had to of been in the area of the dimensions breaking for it to transport her and Whis.
Were is the proof that she or whis was in it. It never showed either of them in it while they were fighting. Any assumption that they were in it is head canon. Simple as that.
You claimed Accel shield countered an on going instantaneous teleportation. Show me scans of it. And when you are at it show me his shield countering space breaking attacks.
@gaoron Attacks that effect space itself don't have direction or vectors unless you can prove it.
The punch that caused it had a vector.
But the effect of the punch didn't.
The dimension itself breaking wouldn't harm Accelerator since it didn't harm the Earth or its environment, and merely transported them to a wasteland without ice.
It doesn't need to since we know those guys attack potency. But hey show me environment destruction in this Battler scan that you so love to bring up as a reason for him being powerfull in h2h
Looks peak human to me by "muh environment destruction" fallacy.
The dimensions breaking didn't even kill Bulma.
She wasn't even in that dimension like user above me already said, do you even know what you are talking about or only post to waste time?
Destroying miniature time-space dimensions didn't start with Broly and Gogeta either. Goku,Vegeta, Jiren, saiyan girls all did it before aswell too
Where? (Not that it matters.)
If it doesn't matter then I'm not gonna waste time answering.
Also your post dissapeared, I don't know if you deleted it or what.
@lordragoon: Proof she wasn't? She was in the area where Gogeta and Broly were fighting, along with Whis; meaning she would've gotten dragged in. She was also with Whis after the dimensions sent Gogeta and Broly to some random wasteland; meaning it also transported her as well. She would've had to of been in the area of the dimensions breaking for it to transport her and Whis.
Were is the proof that she or whis was in it. It never showed either of them in it while they were fighting. Any assumption that they were in it is head canon. Simple as that.
The fact that she was transported along with Gogeta and Broly to the empty wasteland is enough for me. Are you asking for proof of her being in the wasteland or inside the trippy dimension?
@gaoronIt doesn't need to since we know those guys attack potency.
The power of Gogeta's punch =/= the dimension itself breaking (unless you're arguing that Gogeta can't even destroy Earth).
But hey show me environment destruction in this Battler scan that you so love to bring up as a reason for him being powerfull in h2h
Irrelevant to this discussion; and I posted that scan without context as a joke; not to mention that I don't need to show environment destruction for Battler. He is infinite-D with the lowest Umineko cosmology interpretation and is double infinite-D with the highest-balled Umineko cosmology; making even your wanked Lovecraft look like less than nothing in comparison.
However, how about we stop derailing this thread with irrelevant crap? Battler is irrelevant here and can conceptually erase these two by announcing it with mere words (no literally).
She wasn't even in that dimension like user above me already said, do you even know what you are talking about or only post to waste time?
Read my response to him.
Also your post dissapeared, I don't know if you deleted it or what.
It went to the very top of the page since it was marked as the best answer by the OP due to the environment part of my argument.
@gaoron@lordragoon I'll be gone for a bit since I need to run some errands; so I may not reply instantly to either of your guys' next comments. I'll be back in a few hours.
The power of Gogeta's punch =/= the dimension itself breaking
It didn't "break itself" lol. Broly and Gogeta destroyed it by clashing after previously destroying multiple walls within it by themselves.
(unless you're arguing that Gogeta can't even destroy Earth).
Irrelevant. Dimension that Gogeta and Broly entered and destroyed was "an alternate dimension outside of reality", nothing to do with Earth.
But hey show me environment destruction in this Battler scan that you so love to bring up as a reason for him being powerfull in h2h
Irrelevant to this discussion; and I posted that scan without context as a joke; not to mention that I don't need to show environment destruction for Battler
And I don't need to show environment destruction for Gogeta since we know his attack potency already.
. He is infinite-D with the lowest Umineko cosmology interpretation and is double infinite-D with the highest-balled Umineko cosmology; making even your wanked Lovecraft look like less than nothing in comparison.
However, how about we stop derailing this thread with irrelevant crap? Battler is irrelevant here and can conceptually erase these two by announcing it with mere words (no literally).
I'm just showcasing you your "environment destruction fallacy". Unless you think Battler hits with peak human punches.
She wasn't even in that dimension like user above me already said, do you even know what you are talking about or only post to waste time?
Read my response to him.
What wasteland? They were still within the Ice Continent. She wasn't teleported anywhere nor did Whis or anyone present there other than Broly and Gogeta who were the only one that entered and destroyed a dimension. If you want to prove otherwise go on, show me Bulma anywhere inside dimension that the duo fought.
I'll be gone for a bit since I need to run some errands; so I may not reply instantly to either of your guys' next comments. I'll be back in a few hours.
Ok. Remember you have yet to post scans of Accel shield countering space breaking attacks that Gogeta carry.
@gaoron: it’s a light novel... also do you know much about Index? Someone tried to teleport something inside Accel and it was reflected. No esper can beat him that’s why he’s number 1. Their powers don’t work on him it all gets reflected
Also idk why you’re asking me to bring proof for something I never stated.
@ecoblitz: It has a manga aswell and I use "scan" as synonym to any proof for a feat, no matter if it's a book, live action, game, comic or any other media.
You tagged me with a post saying Accel can counter teleportation and those can counter attacks that effect space. But even if, that's still not enough to counter Gogeta who's attacks tear space enabling him to enter place outside of reality and destroy that miniature dimension.
@gaoron: I said it can reflect attacks that use space because you mentioned that so I gave an example of an attack that warps space (btw teleportation in Index goes up to the 11th dimension)
@gaoron: It didn't "break itself" lol. Broly and Gogeta destroyed it by clashing after previously destroying multiple walls within it by themselves.
I never said it broke itself. Get better at reading comprehension.
And I don't need to show environment destruction for Gogeta since we know his attack potency already.
Now you're arguing for Gogeta's attack potency (to which I never argued against), yet earlier admitted that Accelerator ignores attack potency.
I'm just showcasing you your "environment destruction fallacy". Unless you think Battler hits with peak human punches.
Now we're making up fake fallacies that don't actually exist? Ok. LOL
Let me make something very clear... I NEVER argued against Gogeta's attack potency; I said his attacks have VECTORS, and the dimension he destroyed wouldn't harm Accelerator because it didn't harm the Earth's environment or ANYONE; meaning the dimension shattering would not harm Accelerator since it didn't harm ANYONE or ANYTHING; it simply shattered harmlessly.
Now stop derailing this thread with Battler. He erases both verses by merely announcing it (literally). (Inb4 Gogeta>Battler.)
What wasteland? They were still within the Ice Continent. She wasn't teleported anywhere nor did Whis or anyone present there other than Broly and Gogeta who were the only one that entered and destroyed a dimension. If you want to prove otherwise go on, show me Bulma anywhere inside dimension that the duo fought.
There was no ice or lava when they came back, which implies at the very least they were transported back in another part of the continent.
Ok. Remember you have yet to post scans of Accel shield countering space breaking attacks that Gogeta carry.
Show me scans of the dimensions Gogeta and Broly shattered harming anyone or anything.
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