DBS gods of destruction VS GoD level mortals

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I was wondering, if the top 12 mortals from the DBS teamed up, would they be able to take down all of the current residing gods of destruction? What do you guys think? And so...

The 12 mortals who can rival gods

1. GoD Toppo

2. SSJ2 Berserk Kefla

3. LSSJ Broly

4. MUI Goku

5. SSJBE Vegeta

6. MLSM Dyspo

7. Android 17

8. Perfected Golden Frieza

9. Goku Black

10. Anilaza

11. Hit

12. LB Jiren

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The 12 gods of destruction

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Rules:

- Basic knowledge

- No BFR

- Fight to the death in the indestructible universe on a ToP arena

- Goku and Vegeta can fuse into Gogeta after Goku runs out of MUI

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gods of destruction. Hakkai is serious and they have better teamwork and way more battle experience

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gods of destruction. Hakkai is serious and they have better teamwork and way more battle experience

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Half of the mortal team are still one-shottable to GoDs. Vegeta and Toppo might last a bit, but they still go down fairly quickly then the rest get ganged-up on. GoDs win.

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Jiren solos MUI solos. People keep denying that jiren is above all gods but suppressed jiren is stated above belmod who is comparable if not above beerus(physically anyways). So a jiren that goes FP then gets LB amp is def above all gods.

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#6  Edited By miekskywalker

@mattyboi: Gods who have tons of experience with hakai will be hard to beat even if you are as strong as jiren.

The gods who go up against goku and jiren would probably lose or hand on until the other gods finish with their opponent.

You ever watched that 5v5 mma doesnt matter if you strong af if you lose your team mates you get dog piled

Teammates are a liability to jiren

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Mortals in a good fight. Broly and Goku Black will just keep getting stronger over time. MUI Goku, LB Jiren and Gogeta will be too much for the Gods.

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@mattyboi said:

Jiren solos MUI solos. People keep denying that jiren is above all gods but suppressed jiren is stated above belmod who is comparable if not above beerus(physically anyways). So a jiren that goes FP then gets LB amp is def above all gods.

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Mortals in a good fight. Broly and Goku Black will just keep getting stronger over time. MUI Goku, LB Jiren and Gogeta will be too much for the Gods.

Basically this. MUI Goku and Jiren are major factors here that most DB community just wants to ignore. But Jiren was stated to be at the GoD level or "maybe even surpassing it" by Whis who really knows his sh*t. And that was way before he went full power. Let alone LB. And Goku being his match, this is just horrible matchup for GoD's. The only GoD's who are factors here is Beerus, Champa, and maybe Belmod/Quinilla. The rest of the GoD's are almost featless.

And to Jiren and Goku add Broly and Goku Black, who should be above GoD's as well. And even if they aren't, they will be over time as the fight goes on.

GoD's will lose this fight horribly. Beerus will be the last man standing, but eventually he gets targeted by Goku, Jiren and Broly and he gets overwhelmed. gg

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Mortals, MUI Goku and LB Jiren are all that’s needed

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#10  Edited By Tony501

^^ Lol. Too many fodder on team 1 with only 3 guys who actually relevant, with Vegeta Toppo and Kefla being a bit handy too but it’s not enough.

Gogeta/Broly/Jiren will last a while but they need more help and gogeta Time Limit is a problem.

MUI Goku might be the best Weapon against them and with Jiren he will get some of them for sure as well as Gogeta after but their too many to overcome.

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#11  Edited By Son_of_Mori-jin

Only 3 people on team 1 don't get one shotted so team 2 can stomp

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#12  Edited By MattyBoi

@miekskywalker said:

@mattyboi: Gods who have tons of experience with hakai will be hard to beat even if you are as strong as jiren.

The gods who go up against goku and jiren would probably lose or hand on until the other gods finish with their opponent.

You ever watched that 5v5 mma doesnt matter if you strong af if you lose your team mates you get dog piled

Teammates are a liability to jiren

How? Hakai only works on people weaker than you..

No, they would get wrecked.

If that does happen, jiren would just one shot the gods then only beerus left who gets stomped.

Not true when LSSJ broly is comparable to beerus and broly will only gets stronger. Plus mui goku who is literally stronger than him.

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@beanzzy: @tony501: @son_of_mori-jin: What's up with all this "only 3 people don't get one shotted/actually stand a chance" shit when most of the destroyers are featless??? Meaning toppo is better than most gods because he actually has feats and a co sign from a top tier god (belmond saying that he isn't any different from a god of destruction)

Ot: as long as they aren't fighting against beerus, belmond, or the rat, vegeta, toppo and kefla could very well beat their opponent making this much more even than you guys think... Never mind ssj gogeta or beyond

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@beanzzy: @tony501: @son_of_mori-jin: What's up with all this "only 3 people don't get one shotted/actually stand a chance" shit when most of the destroyers are featless??? Meaning toppo is better than most gods because he actually has feats and a co sign from a top tier god (belmond saying that he isn't any different from a god of destruction)

Ot: as long as they aren't fighting against beerus, belmond, or the rat, vegeta, toppo and kefla could very well beat their opponent making this much more even than you guys think... Never mind ssj gogeta or beyond

In the manga the GoD has a free-fall brawl B4 the ToP but it was so high level and fast that Zeno couldn't enjoy it hence why they had one for the lower mortals

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@doctordamn: Statements still put the gods significantly above a full half of the mortal team, regardless of feats or lack thereof. Toppo was restricted by the rules of the tournament to only using non-lethal hakai, which SBBE Vegeta was only barely able to overpower after a pride-boost with maximum effort--full-powered hakais should obliterate him.

That said, Toppo and Kefla could very well contend one-on-one with some of weaker gods, but it's not going to be one-on-one for long, and they'll go down. And as strong as they are, I don't see MUI Goku, Jiren, and Broly beating 12 GoDs, especially not before MUI runs out. I don't think Gogeta is even a factor, because Vegeta gets taken out before they can try fusing.

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@son_of_mori-jin: yeah and in the manga beerus schooled the lot of them with ui and along with the rat and belmond, was one of the last standing which is why i omitted those 3.

Ot: It could easily be said that following 12 god level fighters is way harder than following 2 god or near god level fighters...Not to mention the destroyers were visibly surprised and then shocked when goku went from red blue, meaning he's at least in the realm of power of those particular gods. (Keep in mind that anime goku blue is stronger than manga goku blue, shown when anime goku beat toppo while manga goku lost to a weaker toppo)

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@doctordamn: belmod wasn't standing in the end just beerus and the rat. Beerus would of solo'd most of them including belmod if it wasn't for that one GoD energy barrier protecting them.

OT: the point I was making is that the GoDs power is still on a level above mortals aside from jiren . I don't really count goku since he can't use MUI at will . and yes I am aware that the anime is absurdly more powerful which honestly why I don't keep up with it. The power scale is too stupid for me

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@beanzzy: what statements put the rest of the gods above them? Toppo wasn’t holding back as much as you think, he was risking killing. Also, Vegeta retained his pride-boost it wasn’t temporary

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@son_of_mori-jin: belmond was playing possum

Also, you're talking about sidera's barrier; without that he would have soloed the lot of them...

Ot:I now understand where your coming from and would have come to the same conclusion if i were only going off the manga...

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@mattyboi: Exactly. Everyone has forgotten a vastly surpressed Jiren made beerus soil himself. Goku and Jiren blitz all of them and stomp

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#21  Edited By DoctorDaMn

@beanzzy: I swear i am so tired of this half baked argument regarding toppo and vegeta...please listen to what your saying and apply a little common sense; if you did you'd understand that vegeta (post pride boost) is undoubtedly stronger than a full power toppo as it was shown in the anime...

Toppo had 2 choices; either hold back and loose or use his full power and try to kill vegeta leaving jiren, his only other teammate still in the battle in a better position. (along with still getting disqualified) Regardless he wouldn't have been in the tournament much longer, so which would you do???

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@mattyboi: the gods are not fodder

They have a stronger side on average

Each one should be able to hold their own in time for the others to come aid for the stronger opponents. Jiren and goku would probably beat their opponent but by then the other gods would have beaten their team mates.

A god candidate was able to fight the 2nd strongest member in team 7. They are no joke.

You said hakai wont work on stronger opponents but not all of them are stronger than the gods only goku and jiren edge it out marginally. (Respectively depends on which god)

So the others get hakaied and then jiren and goku wont be able to hold out against that many gods

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#23  Edited By DoctorDaMn

@miekskywalker: once again toppo wasn't just a god candidate... Belmond said that he wasn't any different from a god... You are underestimating toppo and overestimating those featless gods.

Vegeta, toppo and (maybe) kefla aren't getting hakaied; they could win their respective fights

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@jplaya2023 said:

gods of destruction. Hakkai is serious and they have better teamwork and way more battle experience

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@mattyboi: the gods are not fodder

They have a stronger side on average

Each one should be able to hold their own in time for the others to come aid for the stronger opponents. Jiren and goku would probably beat their opponent but by then the other gods would have beaten their team mates.

A god candidate was able to fight the 2nd strongest member in team 7. They are no joke.

You said hakai wont work on stronger opponents but not all of them are stronger than the gods only goku and jiren edge it out marginally. (Respectively depends on which god)

So the others get hakaied and then jiren and goku wont be able to hold out against that many gods

Yes they are. Suppressed jiren is stronger than the second strongest god.

Lol no, Jiren and MUI are stomping their opponents, it wont even be close they're getting fodderized.

The only god thats not getting fodderized is beerus.

No, broly is comparable to beerus, who is the strongest god, plus he just gets stronger, so he's not getting hakai'd by anyone but beerus, who gets wrecked by goku or jiren.

Jiren or MUI Goku could solo tbh.

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@mattyboi: Exactly. Everyone has forgotten a vastly surpressed Jiren made beerus soil himself. Goku and Jiren blitz all of them and stomp

Pretty much. People just choose not to accept it and to lowball jiren and MUI goku to weird levels.

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#27  Edited By Thoromdil

@tony501 said:

^^ Lol. Too many fodder on team 1 with only 3 guys who actually relevant,

How are only these people relevant?

Frieza is not relevant? He already overpowered Sidras hakai and survived hakai from Toppo. I don't think any random featless GoD should be just able to stomp him by default.

Hit is also not fodder. He probably can't beat a high tier GoD like Beerus or Champa, but the low tier randoms with barely any feats? Why not? He has stats to rival kaioken blue and easily better hax than any GoD. He also did very well against Jiren, who was stated to be above GoD level. Why is he fodder exactly?

Also how is Toppo fodder? He IS a GoD after all, right? And he has a lot better feats than most GoD's. To be honest, the only GoD who has better feats than Toppo so far is Beerus. Toppo should be able to beat the crap out of low tier GoD's. And so should Vegeta, who beat Toppo.

I don't think mortals team gets nearly enough credit. It's true MUI Goku, LB Jiren and Broly are the major factors here. But the rest of the team is nowhere near fodder. Most of them can beat or at least match a fodder GoD solo.

Team 1 should win this in a landslide.

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@thoromdil: THANK YOU!!! Finally someone understands feats are more important than baseless hype!

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@doctordamn: They have statements like if one GoD fights another both universes will be destroyed or the fact only Jiren/Goku/Broly are confirmed in their Tier or a bit above, they have feats like Battleing in types of speed not even Zeno can see, They have Hakai Hax that can use for attack and defense as well as instant win against the lower mortals, you comper a baby GoD like Toppo to a 200 million years GoD? Ridiculous any of them will low Diff Toppo.

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Team gets stomped hard and by a considerable margin

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@doctordamn: ikr? Im not sure why are the gods receiving so much credit from the community, but as far as the feats go? They clearly dont deserve this. They are by no means weak, but in comparison to mortals who have plenty of good feats? They dont exactly shine.

Take 17 for example. He is probably the weakest on the mortals team. But how is he one-shottable? Jiren couldnt put him down for like 15 minutes. He was the only non-UI character capable of hurting full power Jiren, he traded punches with him and walked them off, he even protected Goku and Vegeta from Jirens full power attack with his barriers, which should be above ANY hakai, considering casual Jiren is above GoD tier. No GoD except MAYBE Beerus can easily defeat 17, let alone one shot him. And he is the weakest there.

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#32  Edited By DoctorDaMn

@tony501: so you just completely ignore feats and go off of your own head canon, not realizing that even regular god goku ( someone who is vastly weaker than everyone im talking about) was said to be on the verge of destroying the universe along with a massively holding back beerus...

Also, you do realize that zeno couldn't keep up with dyspo as well don't you???

Also, you do realize that the only person to showcase hakai "hax" or any other type of hakai was "baby god toppo" who used it defensively; like a shield don't you???

Too many holes in your argument sir...

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@doctordamn: @thoromdil: for real, Toppo warping the World of Void is above anything the rest of the GoDs have ever done sans Beerus, Champa and those who are implied to be on their level (Belmod and Quitela).

Sidra’s Hakai was overpowered by Frieza and Heles giving some power to Ribrienne didn’t do anything noticeable.

I still consider Toppo to be a low GoD solely because he’s inexperienced and has the issue of charging Hakai, but his pure stats are easily on par with the average GoD.

Also off-topic but 17 is definitely not the weakest, he’s above Dyspo, Golden Frieza, Goku Black and arguably Hit.

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Team 2 stomps. Only MUI Goku and Jiren are above the God of Destruction powers, Broly is around them too, and acordding to Whis the power of Jiren is barely superior than the other Gods (the same Jiren who was superior against the UI Goku) and they are three againts twelve, they are clearly outmatched. The majority of the other fighters are no a factor here, except a couple that can actually help, but that’s not enough.

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Team 2 should win, while LSSJ Broly, MUI Goku and LB Jiren might likely be above the GODs and defeat a part of them, the rest of team 1 is too weak in power and GOD Toppo still lack experience and mastery over Hakai compared to the current GODs.

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Frieza, 17 and Dyspo are simply leagues below GoDs and will get taken out instantly.

Broly, Toppo, Goku Black, Anilaza and Vegeta can contend for a while longer but still are out of their depth and will get cut down without considerable effort. It is important for Vegeta to survive so that if Goku runs out of power, they can at least merge into Gogeta and continue fighting.

Hit and Kefla are FP Jiren's tier level but on the lower end. Individually a GoD cannot stomp them but they will need to get their hands full in order to beat either, I imagine that a fight would be close between them.

Goku and Jiren will need to take out as many GoDs as possible before their allies fall. The problem is that Goku only has a minute in his MUI, probably less, which is way too little time to take out a lot of the GoDs. It's all down to whether they can at least take out around 8-9 GoDs before Goku defuses, with Hit, Kefla and Vegeta surviving by that time. If they can, Goku and Vegeta merge into Gogeta and take the W in a close fight. If one of the listed allies above are killed, the team loses.

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Only half of team mortals is GoD level.

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@noobsnowman: How is Hit FP Jiren tier when he got stomped by holding back Jiren?

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@eriel:

he got stomped

He didn't. He put up a far better fight than SSBKKx20 Goku ever did, and Jiren had to struggle significantly against Hit's Cage of Time.

That is restricted Hit btw, Hit is nerfed in the ToP because he cannot kill. An unrestricted Hit who fights to kill quickly is stated to be much more powerful because thats where his true abilities lie.

holding back Jiren

Based on what was Jiren holding back?

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#41  Edited By eriel

@noobsnowman said:

@eriel:

he got stomped

He didn't. He put up a far better fight than SSBKKx20 Goku ever did, and Jiren had to struggle significantly against Hit's Cage of Time.

That is restricted Hit btw, Hit is nerfed in the ToP because he cannot kill. An unrestricted Hit who fights to kill quickly is stated to be much more powerful because thats where his true abilities lie.

holding back Jiren

Based on what was Jiren holding back?

SSBKKx20 Goku is not FP Jiren tier either.

Hit literally only delayed the inevitable, he caused Jiren zero damage in the entire fight.

Did you not watch the tournament?

Jiren only used his Full power after Toppo was defeated, and Belmond stated he only started showing a "hint of his real power" in episode 123.

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#42  Edited By noobsnowman

@eriel:

SSBKKx20 Goku is not FP Jiren tier either.

Neither is Hit if restricted, but if unrestricted he certainly is.

Hit literally only delayed the inevitable, he caused Jiren zero damage in the entire fight.

I don't think denting Jiren's body and having his Time skip abilities having an effect on it constitutes "zero damage"

Jiren only used his Full power after Toppo was defeated, and Belmond stated he only started showing a "hint of his real power" in episode 123.

That's why its only a hint my dude, there's a reason why Goku even at SSB was able to contend with him.

Jiren obviously showed way more in ep.109-111 if he dominated a much stronger and fresher Goku in that fight.

I want specific evidence that directly states to Jiren holding back in ep.109-111. No implications, I want direct proof. Jiren using his full power after Toppo's elimination does not imply, let alone prove that Jiren was actually holding back in his first fight against Goku.

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@noobsnowman: Unrestricted Hit wouldn't make a difference, he used all of his abilities against Jiren, even his assesination punch, it just didn't do anything.

Belmond flat out states he hasn't seen Jiren like that in a long time.

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Most of these GoDs know these mortals really well, especially if they’re their own.

17 gets Hakai’d, Dyspo gets Hakai’d, Frieza gets Hakai’d, Goku Black gets Hakai’d. Goku gets Hakai’d immediately when MUI runs out, but he wouldn’t be useful anyway since it takes such a huge toll on his body. Mosco knows Anilaza really well and would just bust his power core, then he’s easy to beat. Belmod puts Toppo in his place. Beerus puts Vegeta in his place. Any 2 GoDs should take Broly down. Any of them except Sidra and *maybe* Champa could probably take down Kefla. So the only real problems are Hit and Jiren. Hit’s trump card, Cage of Time, could be very potent here. But he’d only be able to use it on one person. Jiren isn’t going to be able to beat 12 GoDs all on his own.

GoDs win this hands down. Next time wait for mortals that can actually make a difference and don’t just put down almost everybody who made it to Episode 121 + a few.

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#45  Edited By noobsnowman

@eriel:

Unrestricted Hit wouldn't make a difference, he used all of his abilities against Jiren, even his assesination punch, it just didn't do anything.

Without the intention to kill, which makes it far less efficient and potent. Or are we going to forget that killing is Hit's forte and the ToP rules denies him just that?

If the attack that landed on Jiren was meant to kill, Jiren would have taken fatal damage instead of being trapped in a Time cage.

Belmond flat out states he hasn't seen Jiren like that in a long time.

Flaring his aura does not automatically mean he suddenly gets more powerful.

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#46  Edited By MangoNation

Dyspo, Anilaza, Goku Black, Hit, Frieza, and 17 all die to Hakai immediately

Vegeta, Kefla, and Toppo get stomped very quickly after because none of them can fight 2 GoDs at the same time which is exactly what'll happen when it's 6 v 12.

Broly, Jiren, and Goku then get dogpiled which gets even worse when factoring in that Goku has a time limit on the form and the gods only really have to wait for him to reach said limit.

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@mattyboi:

Champa is beerus level just with less stamina. The rat is beerus rival

The gods that showcased their power are at least beerus level.

Some if the gods depending on how they took their training may have ultra instinct.

You cant say that gods who have Angel's as teachers for life are fodder.

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So basically a 12 v 5 match-up. GoD stomp.

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Dyspo, Anilaza, Goku Black, Hit, Frieza, and 17 all die to Hakai immediately

okay guys, it's time to cut the bullshit. Goku and Jiren are NOT the only factors here. Let's go through these guys and just see how they "die to hakai immediately"

Frieza

Even suggesting Frieza can die to a hakai is a total disrespect to his current character and his feats. NO OTHER CHARACTER has survived hakai as well as Frieza did.

He made a TOTAL JOKE out of Sidra's hakai. And he is one of the non-featless GoD's by the way

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He was able to hold off Toppo's hakai with one hand initially. Toppo's hakai was the most powerful hakai we've seen in the series, capable of warping an entire endless universe and breaking the ToP arena in half... And even though it overpowered him eventually, all it did to him was send him back to a previous form for a couple minutes. He didn't even receive any lasting damage.

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So even suggesting he is gonna be one shot by a random GoD is a JOKE. Sorry guys, but it is. Only top GoD's like Beerus can beat Frieza. And he will be busy fighting the likes of LB Jiren, Broly and MUI Goku. Frieza can easily beat a random GoD by himself, and probably even beat a mid-tier GoD like Sidra after a good fight.

Dyspo

Dyspo even in his base form is strong enough to give a tough fight to Hit. A single punch from Dyspo in base form is enough to send Hit to his knees and make Champa crap his pants. He could also completely blitz Hit, who can stop the freakin time with a muscle twitch.

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Champa even comments on Hit vs Dyspo fight saying he couldn't see what was happening. In other words, high tier GoD's like Champa have troubles following base form Dyspo.

Later on when Dyspo goes into his full power mode, he completely overpowered Golden Frieza, that I already proved above to be above default GoD's. There is no reason to believe Dyspo will have any troubles competeing with one of the fodder GoD's if he can overpower a character on Frieza tier and blitz high tier GoD's in his base form.

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Anilaza

Anilaza was able to stalemate the entire powered up Universe 7 with his energy blast. Since there are several members of U7 who can compete with low tier GoD's like mentioned Frieza, saying he can be one shot with hakai is ridiculous. Unless it's a high tier GoD like Beerus I can't see how can anyone argue that he would EASILY overpower any hakai with his energy

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Android 17

17 dying to a hakai is just laughable. He was already targeted by hakai attacks of Toppo many times and proved he can easily slow them down by targeting them with his own energy and then dodge them. 17 can match punches from Jiren for crying outlout. The same Jiren who was stated to be above standard GoD level many times.

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Hell, Android 17 can match Jiren's most powerful attack, while protecting Goku and Vegeta at the same time, and even though he was in the very center of resulting explosion, he emerged in a couple minutes mostly unharmed. Anyone who thinks that a low tier GoD can hit better than full power Jiren should go rewatch the show. There is no WAY 17 goes down to a random hakai from a low tier GoD.

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Goku Black

Goku Black in his prime was able to stalemate Goku and Vegeta at the same time, create countless clones, break dimensional barrier with his scythe the same way Broly and Gogeta did, and much more. He has much better feats than majority of the GoD's. I can understand that most people believe Beerus would beat him. I would agree to that. But a featless random GoD? I really can't see that happening, especially that Black keeps improving further as the fight goes on.

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Hit

Hit did the best against Jiren out of all fighters in the Tournament besides only Goku. Jiren was able to previously one shot SSJB KKx20, and yet Hit was able to tank countless attacks from him

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was able to tag him and seemingly even hurt him with his attacks

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And gave Jiren legitimate trouble with his time cage.

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With Jiren, again, being above standard GoD level at this stage, I can't believe anyone would say a GoD can one shot Hit. I mean if Jiren needed like 30-40 attacks to win the fight and had legitimate trouble in the meantime, how is any random GoD, especially a low tier featless one, one shotting him? Absurd.

Face it guys, mortals team is not even close to fodder. More than half of the GoD's in the team 2 are COMPLETELY FEATLESS even in the manga, and these mortals above will beat them easily in 1 vs 1. There are only 4 GoD's with actual good feats: Beerus, Champa, Belmod and Quitela. And they will meet their superiors at the hands of the likes of Jiren and Broly and will go down. The rest of the fodder GoD's DIES in 1vs1's against the guys I mentioned above.

The team 1 wins this in a stomp.

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@thoromdil: Just stop bra... Most of these guys don't use/understand logic. They automatically assume a featless god is above a mortal because of the "god" title regardless of contradictory feats, statements, or hype said mortals have in their favor.

They're a lost cause...