DBS Broly(Wrath) vs SSJ4 Goku

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Broly can't use any other form

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Broly wins. He was handily above ssg and almost a match for mastered ssb goku. That puts him capable of handling mftl galaxy level beings while ssj4 is more in the ftl+ Star level range.

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Broly stomps. He was trading blows with Post-TOP SSB Goku.

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yeah Broly low diffs here

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broly.

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Ssj4 Goku is basically an insect to people from BoG SSG Goku level and above

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#7  Edited By Jack_Hart

Even if you go by Heroes SSJ4 Goku is equal to SSB Goku, who was going to edge out Broly eventually, so SSJ4 Goku could probably do it too.

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Broly handily.

Broly wins. He was handily above ssg and almost a match for mastered ssb goku. That puts him capable of handling mftl galaxy level beings while ssj4 is more in the ftl+ Star level range.

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Broly stomps.

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This Broly is already stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, Broly murderstomps.

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Broly Stomps him into another dimension

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nuff said

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Pretty much any character equal to SSG Goku can stomp SSJ4 Goku.

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#14  Edited By El_mago

broly negs him

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What? Broly Stomps

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Broly accidentally obliterates him.

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This isn't fair, at least use Xeno SSJ4 Goku in DBSUPER fights as he can still keep up.

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Broly tears him apart.

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Broly

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Pretty much any character equal to SSG Goku can stomp SSJ4 Goku.

I agree to an extent, but SSG Goku isn't that strong. I'd say that anyone equal or stronger than SSB Goku from RoF can beat him with ease.

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@godgate: ssg IS that strong. Beerus vs Goku SSG is enough proof. It just gets outshined by the superior SSB

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@blackwizzard17: Using statements and my own form of scaling and calcs, SSJ4 goku would be around 1.6x as strong as SSJG Goku during the BoG arc due to his extremely high base PL being multiplied by SSJ4's multiplier.

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@godgate: ssg IS that strong. Beerus vs Goku SSG is enough proof. It just gets outshined by the superior SSB

This.

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Unless goku gets heroes feats broly curb stomps

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@takenstew22: SSG is only around a 10,000x multiplier when you compare that to SSJ4 Goku who is 400x stronger in base and has a 4000x multiplier, then it really isn't that hard to grasp SSJ4 being the stronger one here. I'm also accounting for the rise in his BP after the ritual which put made him around 100x stronger than he was before based upon him now performing better against Beerus as a SSJ then he was as a SSJ3.

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@godgate: I don't care about multipliers.

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@takenstew22: If you can't power scale with multipliers, then you can't understand my logic then.

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@godgate said:

@takenstew22: If you can't power scale with multipliers, then you can't understand my logic then.

I do understand, I just don't agree.

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#30  Edited By GodGate

@takenstew22: And your entitled to not agree with me, but Goku in SSJ after losing God would be around a 500 with my scaling, and it makes sense for him to be there since his SSJ3 only really struggled to harm Beerus because it lacked the ability to sense him, something he doesn't have problems once he tasted the power of God Ki.

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@godgate: we don't know the official multiplier but those numbers seem off. Ssj2 goku only did better against beerus than ssj3 because his body had felt and absorbed that ssg power giving him a boost. He got drastically stronger compared to when they fought on king kai planet. Ssj4 goku didn't fair well against omega shenron yet ssg was keeping up with beerus who could destroy the universe.

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Broly beats kakarot to death. Broly rag dolling SSG's should put him above this Goku.

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#33  Edited By GodGate

@blackwizzard17: Goku was already like capable of shaking the macroverse as a SSJ3 by just powering up in Fusion Reborn, and this feat is similar to what he had pulled off in BoG when he and Beerus punched against each other, thus, it reasons to me to think that the forms can't be more than a 100x difference in powers. I know it looks like SSG Goku became 100s of times stronger than he was in his fight with Beerus, but you forget that fights in DB can be stomps even if someone is simply 2-4x stronger than whoever they are fighting, showcased by SSJ2 Teen Gohan. I personally think that SSJG is only around 40x stronger than SSJ3 by showings and my own logical scaling. The only reason Goku even said that he didn't think fusion wouldn't work against Beerus is because he knew they hadn't even seen anywhere near his full power. I also think SSJB is only 5x stronger than SSJGod due to Whis's comment about SSJ making saiyans 5x stronger in the movie.

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@godgate: fusion reborn feat goku is not gt goku because movies are set in another universe or something like that. ssj god its clearly more than a 40x boost because goku said even if he fused with vegeta he still couldnt do anything to beerus and you saw how ssj god pushed beerus back a little making him use more power.

ssj god its thousands x boost or even more and ssj blue its x50 ssj god.

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DBS Broly accidentaly kills Ssj4 Goku.

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@smokernaruto: Fusion Reborn SSJ3 Goku is supposed to serve as an example compared to DBZ SSJ3 Goku since they are at similar levels of strength. SSJGOD is more than a 40x boost but when compared to SSJ3 that's would be around how much stronger it is. Goku only said that statement about him not being able to do anything to Beerus because he foresaw that they weren't anywhere near his full power in the first place. We don't actually know how Vegito or Gogeta would've preformed against him compared to SSJGod. I don't agree that SSJB is 50x stronger than SSJG since the SSJ form itself has clearly been nerfed in the show as shown in the ToP where Goku uses the form to fight against fodder opponents that he was already keeping up with while in his base form.

SSJG is 40-100x stronger than SSJ3.

SSJB is 5-10x stronger than God.

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Broly stomps

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@godgate: Goku used Ssj blue against fodder opponents because he could control his ki better he had better ki control with ssj blue. its like when he was fighting krililin. no krililin wasnt close to ssj blue but goku controlled his ki way better.

actually ssj blue being x50 ssj god makes sense because the form its called Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. its a Saiyan god that goes Super Saiyan on top of god form.

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@smokernaruto: I'm saying the SSJ form itself was nerfed in Super to like a 5x increase. Remember that you can stomp someone that you couldn't previously if your like 2-4x stronger than you were before, using SSJ2 Gohan vs Cell as case in point. It's not impossible for SSJB to simply be 5x stronger than God. The nerf was also confirmed by Whis in BoG when he was describing the super Saiyan transformation which he used five to describe it with instead of 50.

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Broly stomps SSJ4 Goku even harder

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SSJ4 Goku (full) beat Syn Shenron and was beaten by Syn Sheron (dragon balls)

Syn Sheron full can destroy a galaxy with its strongest attack Negative Karma Ball but this attack affects the galaxy through negative energy destroying the galaxy by side effect, however there is no established time frame for which the galaxy would be destroyed.

In other words, Syn Shenlong is not galaxy level in fact. Goku SSj4 is much weaker than Syn Shenlong full

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@godgate: thats just nonsense you really downplay DB tbh. saying it was confirmed a "nerf" that dosen't exist in the first place.