Likely Kefla though, she's probably gonna make Goku go UI to beat her.
If Kefla struggles against SSB Goku, no way she'll put up a challenge against Hit. Hit managed to restrain Jiren who blinkstomped SSB kkx20
Jiren did defeat Goku but it wasn't that badly. It was a stomp but I think saying it was a "blink stomp" is an exaggeration. Goku was able to trade some blows for a bit. In fact the only reason I would call it a stomp is because I don't think Jiren was giving it his all.
@jashro44: From what I remember, Goku was completely helpless before spirt bomb. Jiren was throwing Goku around like a pillow. Whereas Hit made Jiren put some effort to fight.
However this thread is still too early, Kefla hasn't proved much yet. SSB Goku isn't a big deal to the top tiers
@jashro44: From what I remember, Goku was completely helpless before spirt bomb. Jiren was throwing Goku around like a pillow. Whereas Hit made Jiren put some effort to fight.
However this thread is still too early, Kefla hasn't proved much yet. SSB Goku isn't a big deal to the top tiers
Goku wasn't that helpless. He couldn't scratch Jiren but Hit only did slightly better than Goku did (you could argue that Jiren released more energy when he pushed the spirit bomb back with his glare though):
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If Hit is better than Goku its probably not by much. Still neither Kale or Caulifla have the experience of dealing with hits hax so kefla might still lose even if she is far stronger than Hit. Especially since this is to the death.
@jashro44: I see. Hit could still one shot Kefla here with his phasing attack. It even put a hole in Jiren's chest
Well we need to see more of Kefla. Currently it looks like her base form is stronger than ssjg and supposedly she is going to defeat goku. As I said Hit might still win since we don't know if Kefla can deal with Hits hax. We need to see how well Goku does to gauge the power gap.
@jashro44: Given that Hit adapted to Dyspo's speed what degree of improvement do you think he gained if any from his prolonged exchange with Jiren?
Impossible to say. I believe the narrator said Hits time cage was an improved version of Hits time skip. I don't know if he developed that technique before the tournament or as he was fighting Jiren, based on the narration it sounds like Hits time cage was his improvement.
@jashro44: Given that Hit seemed to gamble the whole fight on it I doubt it was an on the fly improvement and likely a trump he kept in reserve. I was more speaking in terms of raw speed. Although now I wonder if his base Time-Skip would have improved if he had kept trying to prolong the fight.
Even if Kefla wipes the floor with Blue Goku, what defense does she have against Time Skip? Only Jiren and Goku have been shown to be able to work around it, Dyspo only attacked Hit before he could pull it off and that came from his heightened sense of hearing.
Likely Hit only because it is to the death. Hit has always been handicapped in that fashion. He is a assassin after all.
Kefla easily adjusts to Time Skip. Caulifa was able to figure out Instant Transmission pretty easily, and is at a much higher level now. She is likely at least at Blue x10, which was able to shatter Time Skip Realm stuff.
Kefla is stronger but she doesn't have the experience dealing with his hax. And while she is adaptive so is hit. I think Hit wins for the time being but I can see an argument for Kefla based on her overwhelming power.
Kefla is stronger but she doesn't have the experience dealing with his hax. And while she is adaptive so is hit. I think Hit wins for the time being but I can see an argument for Kefla based on her overwhelming power.
This, it's pretty funny how despearely some people always try to lowball Kefla(it's obviously BS, but just like everything in Super and actually even big parts of DB/Z).
Hit can win through smart use of his hax and his own adaptability. Though Kefla is kind of a Mary Sueish character, you can't ignore her power. Hit should be fine as long as he doesn't engage in a straight up fight with her without timeskip.
I'll give it to Hit. He relies much more on his skills and his experience to win in fights, and I believe that translates well when facing crazy high energy characters like Kefla.
Kefla wins. People need to stop overestimating Hit because he is cool. It was shown he was below regular SSB when it comes to raw power in the U6 arc and in the ToP he was having major problems with Dyspo, who was too afraid to challenge Frieza. I could see him beating ssj Kefla, but from what we've seen so far ssj2 Kefla takes the majority. Not to mention Kefla was even stated to be the U6 trump card.
@alextheboss: In raw power he's inferior, but that's never been Hit's trump card anyway. While it's true he was having trouble with Dyspo it was only because the latter was a really bad match up for him, and after adapting he proceeded to stomp Dyspo anyway, so that point is invalid.
Kefla just doesn't have the experience nor tactical knowledge to counter Hit's shockwave or time dimension from what we've seen, the chances are he'll end her before she can "adapt" to him, her cockiness will probably spell her end against a calm and resourceful fighter like Hit, who even managed to temporarily counter Jiren, who was waaay above SSJ2 Kefla by feats.
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